Navy Pride
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Navy Pride said:I think this says it all....God Bless our troops in Iraq and keep them from Harms way.....
staged a "die-in" to protest the liberation of Iraq. Today "The Post," the
Ohio University student newspaper, carried a letter from Marc Fencil, a
senior who is also a Marine currently stationed in Iraq, that is so
excellent we reprint it in full:
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The Post
Ohio University
8 April 2005
"It's a shame that I'm here in Iraq with the Marines right now and not back
at Ohio University completing my senior year and joining in blissful
ignorance with the enlightened, war-seasoned protesters who participated in
the recent "die-in" at College Gate. It would appear that all the action is
back home, but why don't we make sure? That's right, this is an open
invitation for you to cut your hair, take a shower, get in shape and come on
over! If Michael Moore can shave and lose enough weight to fit into a pair
of camouflage utilities, then he can come too!
Make sure you all say your goodbyes to your loved ones though, because you
won't be seeing them for at least the next nine months. You need to get here
quick because I don't want you to miss a thing. You missed last month's
discovery of a basement full of suicide vests from the former regime (I'm
sure Saddam's henchmen just wore them because they were trendy though). You
weren't here for the opening of a brand new school we built either. You
might also notice women exercising their new freedom of walking to the
market unaccompanied by their husbands.
There is a man here, we just call him al-Zarqawi, but we think he'd be
delighted to sit down and give you some advice on how you can further
disrespect the victims of Sept. 11 and the 1,600 of America's bravest who
have laid down their lives for a safer world. Of course he'll still call you
"infidel" but since you already agree that there is no real evil in the
world, I see no reason for you to be afraid. Besides, didn't you say that
radical Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance?
I'm warning you though ---- it's not going to be all fun and games over
here. You might have bad dreams for the next several nights after you zip
up the body bag over a friend's disfigured face. I know you think that
nothing, even a world free of terror for one's children, is worth dying for,
but bear with me here. We're going to live in conditions you've never dreamt
about. You should get here soon though, because the temperatures are going
to be over 130 degrees very soon and we will be carrying full combat loads
(we're still going to work though). When it's all over, I promise you can go
back to your coffee houses and preach about social justice and peace while
you continue to live outside of reality.
If you decide to decline my offer, then at least you should sleep well
tonight knowing that men wearing black facemasks and carrying AK-47s yelling
"Allahu Akbar" over here are proud of you and are forever indebted to you
for advancing their cause of terror. While you ponder this, I'll get back to
the real "die-in" over here. I don't mind."
Marc Fencil
USMC
Iraq
Arch Enemy said:Yeah, sadly... the difference between him and the protesters is that he chose to give up his rights and freedoms in order to follow the ambitions of people with suits and tuxedos. Most of which haven't ever experienced the ending of another persons life, I've got news for our marines, war is outdated its nothing more than a conflict between greedy people, theres no more honor in being apart of an army.
I'd pick the protestors over a soldier any-day.
that is the single most disgusting thing i have heard on here in a long time. Just because you have no resect for the men and women dying for you doesn't mean the rest of us don't.Arch Enemy said:theres no more honor in being apart of an army.
thats why your sittin on your but eating cheetos looking at your computer screen while they are over there.Arch Enemy said:I'd pick the protestors over a soldier any-day.
Any of those studens wright back with a rebuttal?Navy Pride said:I think this says it all....God Bless our troops in Iraq and keep them from Harms way.....
staged a "die-in" to protest the liberation of Iraq. Today "The Post," the
Ohio University student newspaper, carried a letter from Marc Fencil, a
senior who is also a Marine currently stationed in Iraq, that is so
excellent we reprint it in full:
****************
The Post
Ohio University
8 April 2005
"It's a shame that I'm here in Iraq with the Marines right now and not back
at Ohio University completing my senior year and joining in blissful
ignorance with the enlightened, war-seasoned protesters who participated in
the recent "die-in" at College Gate. It would appear that all the action is
back home, but why don't we make sure? That's right, this is an open
invitation for you to cut your hair, take a shower, get in shape and come on
over! If Michael Moore can shave and lose enough weight to fit into a pair
of camouflage utilities, then he can come too!
Make sure you all say your goodbyes to your loved ones though, because you
won't be seeing them for at least the next nine months. You need to get here
quick because I don't want you to miss a thing. You missed last month's
discovery of a basement full of suicide vests from the former regime (I'm
sure Saddam's henchmen just wore them because they were trendy though). You
weren't here for the opening of a brand new school we built either. You
might also notice women exercising their new freedom of walking to the
market unaccompanied by their husbands.
There is a man here, we just call him al-Zarqawi, but we think he'd be
delighted to sit down and give you some advice on how you can further
disrespect the victims of Sept. 11 and the 1,600 of America's bravest who
have laid down their lives for a safer world. Of course he'll still call you
"infidel" but since you already agree that there is no real evil in the
world, I see no reason for you to be afraid. Besides, didn't you say that
radical Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance?
I'm warning you though ---- it's not going to be all fun and games over
here. You might have bad dreams for the next several nights after you zip
up the body bag over a friend's disfigured face. I know you think that
nothing, even a world free of terror for one's children, is worth dying for,
but bear with me here. We're going to live in conditions you've never dreamt
about. You should get here soon though, because the temperatures are going
to be over 130 degrees very soon and we will be carrying full combat loads
(we're still going to work though). When it's all over, I promise you can go
back to your coffee houses and preach about social justice and peace while
you continue to live outside of reality.
If you decide to decline my offer, then at least you should sleep well
tonight knowing that men wearing black facemasks and carrying AK-47s yelling
"Allahu Akbar" over here are proud of you and are forever indebted to you
for advancing their cause of terror. While you ponder this, I'll get back to
the real "die-in" over here. I don't mind."
Marc Fencil
USMC
Iraq
Arch Enemy said:Yeah, sadly... the difference between him and the protesters is that he chose to give up his rights and freedoms in order to follow the ambitions of people with suits and tuxedos. Most of which haven't ever experienced the ending of another persons life, I've got news for our marines, war is outdated its nothing more than a conflict between greedy people, theres no more honor in being apart of an army.
I'd pick the protestors over a soldier any-day.
Arch Enemy said:Yeah, sadly... the difference between him and the protesters is that he chose to give up his rights and freedoms in order to follow the ambitions of people with suits and tuxedos. Most of which haven't ever experienced the ending of another persons life, I've got news for our marines, war is outdated its nothing more than a conflict between greedy people, theres no more honor in being apart of an army.
I'd pick the protestors over a soldier any-day.
guns_God_glory said:Any of those studens wright back with a rebuttal?
Iriemon said:I'm not a student, but if I were, I'd write about how much I admire the soldier's devotion to do his duty, and my gratitude that he is willing to risk his life in the performance of his duty as a soldier to do his job.
I'd also say how sorry I am that he has to spend his time in that godforsaken desert, in the midst of a civil war where he cannot tell if the man walking toward him is friend or enemy, and where each response brings with it the chance of killing innocent people.
I'd also express my anger that he and the others were send to sacrifice, and the 1800+ that have paid the ultimate sacrifice, and the thousands more permanently maimed, because of "mistakes" in the use of intellegence.
I'd ask him to hold on to his humanity, and try to keep in mind that although he is fighting against a guerilla insurgency, that the Iraqis are still people, too, and not to hate them all because of the actions of some.
I'd tell him that I am disappointed that the leadership in this country, despite increasing spending on defense over $100 billion a year, sent him and his fellows into hostile terroritory without sufficient forces or proper armament to do the job properly.
Finally, I'd tell him that the reason I was protesting this war is because I believe it is not legitimate or justified, that it is contra-productive in our efforts to protect ourselves against terrorism, that it was based on a (at best) mistake, and that my hope in protesting the war is to bring him and his fellows out of that hell hole as soon as possible, so he won't have to look at his friends' disfigured faces as the body bags are zipped up any more.
saveChief said:"Excellent response to the trust fund babies and armchair revolutionaries."
What does that make politicians?
Value said:The people of the armed forces are there to protect the rights that you claim to value most. Anyone who claims to value the freedoms that we possess owes a lot to the armed branches. If you can't see that, and give credit to those in uniform, I think you're the type of protester that we don't want to have on our side.
Now, that said, this war IS NOT what the military should be used for. Those boys over there are being "used and abused" for a personal agenda.
Whoa, just because I don't respect doesn't mean I don't support them. I want them all to come home safe, I want them to live and survive. Are they really dying for me? If I remember correctly, not once did Iraq attack us... strangely enough they're number 1 target on their hit-list was Iran. The enemy of my enemy is my... .enemy.Guns said:That is the single most disgusting thing i have heard on here in a long time. Just because you have no resect for the men and women dying for you doesn't mean the rest of us don't.
Very funny! Its not my fault I can't be over there, did you forget theres an age limit to joining the military. If I believed that we went to war for the right reasons and I was 18 Years Old, then I'd join and fight side by side with my Americans. Yes, I know that was pretty much against my beliefs, but I do believe that (in the case of a reasonable war) no one should have to die for my safety. But obviously, I'm not threatened and too young, therefore I'll just sit here and eat cheetos (dude can I please something more joyful? Cheetos are terrible!)thats why your sittin on your but eating cheetos looking at your computer screen while they are over there.
Agreed! I'll buy them a beer when they return!Much love to all men and women serving in all branches of our military
Whoa, No!CNREDD said:Are you suggesting that all government officials should be required to have been in the military?
Pacifists deal in moral absolutes. They do not appeal to the class struggle, but to humanity. Pacifism is premised on the idea that all killing is wrong because all life is sacred. The most extreme expression of this was Gandhi's advice to the Jews of Germany just before the Second World War. Look what happened.
And why did it happan? Because everyone doesn't play by the same rules.
Pacifism accepts the bourgeois idea of "norms" of behavior. The way to end war is to convince all mankind to follow certain moral imperatives, certain norms of human behavior that stand above history and society Be nice to strangers, love they neighbor, thou shalt not kill, and so on. These norms, peddled in schoolbooks, the press, and the pulpit, are merely a cover for a society divided by class, where Iying, deception, bribery, and large-scale killing are truly the norm.
Arch Enemy said:Yeah, sadly... the difference between him and the protesters is that he chose to give up his rights and freedoms in order to follow the ambitions of people with suits and tuxedos. Most of which haven't ever experienced the ending of another persons life, I've got news for our marines, war is outdated its nothing more than a conflict between greedy people, theres no more honor in being apart of an army.
I'd pick the protestors over a soldier any-day.
Calm2Chaos said:He gave up his freedom to protect your rights. Although unfortunately soldiers don't have the ability to pick and chose who's rights they want to defend.
Because we all know without the protesters the country would be in shambles. What have soldiers ever done but to die. Being a coward is not honorable. The sooner you learn that the better. You couldn't do what they do. I'm betting you don't have the heart or the fortitude to stand up for anything that actually might cost you something
guns_God_glory said:Any of those studens wright back with a rebuttal?
Navy Pride said:I doubt it.....They are probably to busy smoking dope and getting high....
cnredd said:I have to disagree with almost every point you made.....but...
I have to give to tons of respect for not spewing it in a hateful manner or turning it into a politcal rant...we need more of you here...bowing...:cheers:
Iriemon said:I'm not a student, but if I were, I'd write about how much I admire the soldier's devotion to do his duty, and my gratitude that he is willing to risk his life in the performance of his duty as a soldier to do his job.
I'd also say how sorry I am that he has to spend his time in that godforsaken desert, in the midst of a civil war where he cannot tell if the man walking toward him is friend or enemy, and where each response brings with it the chance of killing innocent people.
I'd also express my anger that he and the others were send to sacrifice, and the 1800+ that have paid the ultimate sacrifice, and the thousands more permanently maimed, because of "mistakes" in the use of intellegence.
I'd ask him to hold on to his humanity, and try to keep in mind that although he is fighting against a guerilla insurgency, that the Iraqis are still people, too, and not to hate them all because of the actions of some.
I'd tell him that I am disappointed that the leadership in this country, despite increasing spending on defense over $100 billion a year, sent him and his fellows into hostile terroritory without sufficient forces or proper armament to do the job properly.
Finally, I'd tell him that the reason I was protesting this war is because I believe it is not legitimate or justified, that it is contra-productive in our efforts to protect ourselves against terrorism, that it was based on a (at best) mistake, and that my hope in protesting the war is to bring him and his fellows out of that hell hole as soon as possible, so he won't have to look at his friends' disfigured faces as the body bags are zipped up any more.
Calm2Chaos said:He gave up his freedom to protect your rights. Although unfortunately soldiers don't have the ability to pick and chose who's rights they want to defend.
Because we all know without the protesters the country would be in shambles. What have soldiers ever done but to die. Being a coward is not honorable. The sooner you learn that the better. You couldn't do what they do. I'm betting you don't have the heart or the fortitude to stand up for anything that actually might cost you something
Arch Enemy said:I would too, I'm sure they're feeling the full wrath of the pro-war people of Ohio.
Navy Pride said:Regardless whether the President is Clinton or Bush the time to protest the war is before it starts.........Once it starts its time to get behind the troops and back them and their mission.........
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