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A-HA Gotcha Hillary: Turn out the Lights, The Party is Over!

Well, maybe...

The thing is, there really isn't anyone else from her Party expressing much interest in running. I started a thread not long ago about that and no forum members came up with anyone who might run if Hillary doesn't. There just didn't seem to be much interest in the topic.

If I were Hillary, I'd be more interested in making things clear to my own Party about whether I'm going to run or not. All this waffling and coyness on her part isn't doing her Party any good.

Who else is there? Biden? He will blow it. Warren? Shes practically a socialist. Its already an uphill slog-Obama isn't making it easier and even just historically, 3 consecutive terms of democrat party wins is unlikely. I think they saw the midterms, and realize what they are doing isn't going to get them the white house.
 
Who else is there? Biden? He will blow it. Warren? Shes practically a socialist. Its already an uphill slog-Obama isn't making it easier and even just historically, 3 consecutive terms of democrat party wins is unlikely. I think they saw the midterms, and realize what they are doing isn't going to get them the white house.

Don't forget they still have Webb.....former Marine and Undersecretary of the Navy. He is also left of Hillary.
 
I wasn't aware, gonna have to look him up.

We have a thread on him in the Elections Forum.....he has been going with the exploratory committee route. He also was against involvement with Libya and has hit Hillary up over it.
 
It's pretty obvious that the Republicans have been practicing 'strategic patience' with the Benghazi stuff. They are likely biding their time sitting on relevant information, and likely will ask Hilary to testify at some point. This will likely happen shortly after Hilary announces her candidacy, or perhaps in the middle of her run. For now it's a bit of a Mexican standoff. Hilary trying to determine what kind of dirt the Republicans are sitting on so she can calculate her ability to win an election, and the Republicans simply waiting for her to decide, and thus plotting their timing to determine the most politically damaging moment.

I wonder if anything will come of it if she decides to maintain what's left of her name and sit it out. I certainly wouldn't be surprised at this point.
 
It's pretty obvious that the Republicans have been practicing 'strategic patience' with the Benghazi stuff. They are likely biding their time sitting on relevant information, and likely will ask Hilary to testify at some point. This will likely happen shortly after Hilary announces her candidacy, or perhaps in the middle of her run. For now it's a bit of a Mexican standoff. Hilary trying to determine what kind of dirt the Republicans are sitting on so she can calculate her ability to win an election, and the Republicans simply waiting for her to decide, and thus plotting their timing to determine the most politically damaging moment.

I wonder if anything will come of it if she decides to maintain what's left of her name and sit it out. I certainly wouldn't be surprised at this point.



Heya SBu. :2wave: Well she was doing all she could to fight against her Emails coming out.....they fought tooth and nail on it. Now that hers is out there. I think she can see the writing on the wall.

I think she finally figure out all is like you said. Bidding time.....and getting all together to show what an absolute failure she really was at State.

Either way Gowdy will get to that question on if she sent Stevens to Benghazi that night. If it wasn't her.....it leaves only one other.
 
The left has been saying for years this is a dead horse, and yet here it is. I wonder if you've noticed if anything its gaining momentum and obviously not going away?

The OP and fearandloathing have nearly half the posts in this thread, pumping and bumping it up.

There's not a whole lot of interest even here, a site filled with conservatives. Sure, some diehards will keep pounding it, but after the looooooooooooong, deep and numerous congressional reactions and investigations going on for nearly 2 1/2 years now, with most all outcomes coming to mostly the same conclusion: Nothing there, most thoughtful people have moved on.

Yes, recommendations for improving in the future and some mistakes were made, but nothing that's going to find what these investigations didn't uncover:


• House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, “The Security Failures of Benghazi , ” October 10, 2012

• Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, “Attacks in Benghazi , ” November 13 to December 13, 2012

• Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, “Attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi , ” November 14 – 29, 2012

• House Committee on Foreign Affairs, “Benghazi and Beyond, Part I: What Went Wrong on September 11, 2012 and How to Prevent It from Happening at Other Frontline Posts , ” November 15, 2012

• House Committee on Foreign Affairs, “Benghazi Attack, Part II: The Report of the Accountability Review Board , ” December 20, 2012

• Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, “Benghazi: The Attacks and the Lessons Learned , ” December 20, 2012 to January 23, 2013

• Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, report, “Flashing Red: A Special Report on the Terrorist Attack at Benghazi , ” December 30, 2012

• House Committee on Foreign Affairs, “Benghazi: The Secretary of State’s View , ” January 23, 2013

• Senate Committee on Armed Services, “Department of Defense’s Response to the Attack on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, and the Findings of Its Internal Review Following the Attack ,” February 7, 2013

• House Committee on Appropriations, Subcommittee on Stat e, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs Appropriations, “State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs Appropriations for 2014, part 5 , ” February 13 to April 24, 2013

• Senate Committee on Armed Services, “U.S. Africa Command and Transportation Command , ” March 7, 2013

• House Committee on Foreign Affairs, “Securing U.S. Interests Abroad: The FY2014 Foreign Affairs Budget , ” April 17, 2013 Interim Progress Report for the Members of the House Republic Conference on the Events Surrounding the September 11 , 2012 Terrorist Attacks in Benghazi, Libya , ” April 23, 2013

• House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, “Benghazi: Exposing Failure and Recognizing Courage , ” May 8, 2013

• House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Subcommittee on Terrorism, Nonproliferation, and Trade, Subcommittee on Middle East and North Africa, “The Terrorist Threat in North Africa: Before and After Benghazi , ” July 10, 2013

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• Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, “Embassy Security and Personnel Protection Act , ” July 16, 2013

• Democratic Staff, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, “Status Update on Investigation of Attacks on U.S. Personnel and Facilities in Benghazi , ” September 2013

• Staff Report, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, “Benghazi Atta cks: Investigative Update Interim Report on the Accountability Review Board,” September 16, 2013

• House Committee on Foreign Affairs, “Benghazi: Where is the State Department Accountability? , ” September 18, 2013

• House Committee on Armed Services, Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, “The Defense Department’s Posture for September 11, 2013: What Are the Lessons of Benghazi? , ” September 19, 2013

• Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, “Review of the Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi , Libya, September 11 -*‐ 12, 2012, together with Additional Views , ” January 15, 2014

• House Committee on Armed Services, “Majority Interim Report: Benghazi Investigation Update,” February 2014

• House Select Committee on Intelligence, “Benghazi Talking Points and Michael J. Morell’s Role in Shaping the Administration’s Narrative,” April 2, 2014

• House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, “Benghazi, Instability and a New Government: Success and Failures of U.S. Intervention in Libya, ” May 1, 2014
 
I have never expected that Hillary would be the Democratic nominee in 2016, anyway. She has an unlikeable quality about her that I just can't explain but it is there.

I don't think this effects her chances because I don't believe she had a chance to begin with.

The only thing that matters to the Left is a win, all else is way way down on the list.
 
The OP and fearandloathing have nearly half the posts in this thread, pumping and bumping it up.

There's not a whole lot of interest even here, a site filled with conservatives. Sure, some diehards will keep pounding it, but after the looooooooooooong, deep and numerous congressional reactions and investigations going on for nearly 2 1/2 years now, with most all outcomes coming to mostly the same conclusion: Nothing there, most thoughtful people have moved on.

Yes, recommendations for improving in the future and some mistakes were made, but nothing that's going to find what these investigations didn't uncover:
I tend to agree with you and find the Benghazi story fairly simple and uninteresting. From my perspective, the Obama Admin. lied about the events there to protect their re-election chances. I think that is obvious and something any honest person will readily admit. The problem is, the Obama Admin. has yet to admit it. Obama lying is irrelevant now. He cant be re-elected. Evidence that Hillary lied will certainly damage her--not among the left who don't care a whit about honesty--but from those who do.
 
Funny you mention something like that.
I'm sensing that the MSM is not thinking that Hillary is a candidate they can help drag over the finish line.
She's got money, yes, but she's got baggage too, and really is a weak candidate.

No ... I think they're going to start a drumbeat for Pocahontas.
Now SHE's someone they could get behind with vigor.

You heard it here first.

No, she's a strong candidate to the Left, with little accomplishment. And if she wasn't Bubba's wife, she'd have never gotten to be Senator or Sec State. She's a big mouth with an ugly personality. No doubt even the Lefties will have to hold their noses when going to the polls. But they'll do it by God, they sure as hell will.
 
No, she's a strong candidate to the Left, with little accomplishment.
And if she wasn't Bubba's wife, she'd have never gotten to be Senator or Sec State. She's a big mouth with an ugly personality. No doubt even the Lefties will have to hold their noses when going to the polls. But they'll do it by God, they sure as hell will.


I was referring to the media support for Hillary ... not Democrat voter support in general.
She's no Barack Obama.
She's not a fresh face who can get away with a campaign full of lies.
She's no where near as smooth as Obama.
She's not able to schmooze the media as Obama still does.
Despite her gender, she doesn't capture an automatic bias advantage Obama did.
Obama automatically captured over 90% of a voting block.
Hillary won't capture over 90% of any voting block (including the Democrat Party voting block - they may hold their noses as you say, but she won't pull them all in on election day)

And, no, she will not have the same level of media support Obama has enjoyed.
Hillary will not be a strong candidate.
Have I ever lied to you?
 
I was referring to the media support for Hillary ... not Democrat voter support in general.
She's no Barack Obama.
She's not a fresh face who can get away with a campaign full of lies.
She's no where near as smooth as Obama.
She's not able to schmooze the media as Obama still does.
Despite her gender, she doesn't capture an automatic bias advantage Obama did.
Obama automatically captured over 90% of a voting block.
Hillary won't capture over 90% of any voting block (including the Democrat Party voting block - they may hold their noses as you say, but she won't pull them all in on election day)

And, no, she will not have the same level of media support Obama has enjoyed.
Hillary will not be a strong candidate.
Have I ever lied to you?



Mornin B. :2wave: Whaddya think.....the Left giving up defending her? How come they aren't defending Hillary like they do BO peep.
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Mornin B. :2wave: Whaddya think.....the Left giving up defending her? How come they aren't defending Hillary like they do BO peep.
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Greetings, MMC. :2wave

If and when the time comes, they'll come around. Right now, they gotta help BO somehow get through the rest of his term here first, you know! :mrgreen:
 
I tend to agree with you and find the Benghazi story fairly simple and uninteresting. From my perspective, the Obama Admin. lied about the events there to protect their re-election chances. I think that is obvious and something any honest person will readily admit. The problem is, the Obama Admin. has yet to admit it. Obama lying is irrelevant now. He cant be re-elected. Evidence that Hillary lied will certainly damage her--not among the left who don't care a whit about honesty--but from those who do.

She is directly tied to those lies. She cannot whistle past the graveyard of "you can keep your plan..." when she was campaigning for Obamcare. She cannot escape questions about Libya now, in light of how ISIS now has a stronghold there.

And as we draw closer and closer to a date, she will either have to come out against what he is doing, or wear it herself. She cannot hop into the campaign and say "I'm here to fix this mess" as she was part of the team that caused it
 
Greetings, MMC. :2wave

If and when the time comes, they'll come around. Right now, they gotta help BO somehow get through the rest of his term here first, you know! :mrgreen:



Hillary, right now, is a dog best left sleeping ...for them.

She is caught between a rock and a hard place. She cannot come out and defend Obama as the party requires her to do, she was part of it. And she cannot attack what he is doing because that would alienate the base of the party.

This is when you need an aggressive reporter to go after her....'Madam Secretary as president would you support jobs for terrorists when so few are working in the US?'? "Mrs. Clinton, it now appears the ACA is less than mediocre, what changes would you bring...?

Those are the ligitimat 'gotcha' questions that need be asked of her now,,,that sitting on the fence post needs to made uncomfortable
 
Hillary, right now, is a dog best left sleeping ...for them.

She is caught between a rock and a hard place. She cannot come out and defend Obama as the party requires her to do, she was part of it. And she cannot attack what he is doing because that would alienate the base of the party.

This is when you need an aggressive reporter to go after her....'Madam Secretary as president would you support jobs for terrorists when so few are working in the US?'? "Mrs. Clinton, it now appears the ACA is less than mediocre, what changes would you bring...?

Those are the ligitimat 'gotcha' questions that need be asked of her now,,,that sitting on the fence post needs to made uncomfortable

Greetings, F&L. :2wave:

That may be why she hasn't declared yet. She knows what's awaiting her! :lol:
 
Greetings, F&L. :2wave:

That may be why she hasn't declared yet. She knows what's awaiting her! :lol:

Exactly!


As soon as she says "I'm in" she paints a big, red, juicy target on her back.....and the big questions become real, maybe nightmarish...."where do you stand on...." where specifics are required.

And she wants to see who is coming at her, inside and in the Republican camp.

Where I see her greatest weakness? Foreign policy. She new **** when she went into state, and he a has some "splanin'" to do about how we got to the here and now of seven wars and the one she and Obama "ended" based on her reports and assessments of the nation at that time.
 
Greetings, MMC. :2wave

If and when the time comes, they'll come around. Right now, they gotta help BO somehow get through the rest of his term here first, you know! :mrgreen:



That's true Lady P.....and all it takes is for someone to express what they think of BO Peep and they will be waiting to jump all over that. Then try and get real PC like and technical over words and spelling. Then talk about they don't understand English. :lamo
 
That's true Lady P.....and all it takes is for someone to express what they think of BO Peep and they will be waiting to jump all over that. Then try and get real PC like and technical over words and spelling. Then talk about they don't understand English. :lamo

What I really enjoy is when they try to tell us that what we heard wasn't really what he said, and we're the ones who are wrong! Naturally, being the gullible souls that we are when someone flat out says "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor," as an example, we tend to take that as fact. Where we err is neglecting to look at the fine print for the numerous exceptions, which always come to light after the fact, BTW, so it's a deficiency we apparently need to remedy, because it's certainly not their problem if we need to have our hearing checked out by an audiologist! :doh:
 
What I really enjoy is when they try to tell us that what we heard wasn't really what he said, and we're the ones who are wrong! Naturally, being the gullible souls that we are when someone flat out says "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor," as an example, we tend to take that as fact. Where we err is neglecting to look at the fine print for the numerous exceptions, which always come to light after the fact, BTW, so it's a deficiency we apparently need to remedy, because it's certainly not their problem if we need to have our hearing checked out by an audiologist! :doh:


Yeah it gets good when they start thinking for another
.....I usually trick them with other tarot card decks but use the same pictured card. :mrgreen:
 
Mornin B. :2wave: Whaddya think.....the Left giving up defending her? How come they aren't defending Hillary like they do BO peep.
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It's a tough slog for the media to support her like they did Obama for the reasons given above.
Unless Pocahontas runs they may be forced to just focus on destroying Hillary's opponent.
They could really get a jones for Pocahontas.
Look, the media is what it is, they'll never change.
 
It's a tough slog for the media to support her like they did Obama for the reasons given above.
Unless Pocahontas runs they may be forced to just focus on destroying Hillary's opponent.
They could really get a jones for Pocahontas.
Look, the media is what it is, they'll never change.



Well, they still have good Good Ole Joe and Webb they can fall back on.

Besides Hillary went to see Warren and lay some intimidation on her. But that was all before this stuff came out.

But you are Right.....as the MS media hasn't been saying much about the Clinton Email.
 
What I really enjoy is when they try to tell us that what we heard wasn't really what he said, and we're the ones who are wrong! Naturally, being the gullible souls that we are when someone flat out says "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor," as an example, we tend to take that as fact. Where we err is neglecting to look at the fine print for the numerous exceptions, which always come to light after the fact, BTW, so it's a deficiency we apparently need to remedy, because it's certainly not their problem if we need to have our hearing checked out by an audiologist! :doh:

The new one is "you don't understand...."

It works like this. I say Obama is wrong to say ISIS is not Islamic since they use alah to excuse butchery, pray to it five times a day, and call themselves Muslim.

The response is "you don't understand. The Iraq war is Bush's fault, we should not even be there."

You see...it's all on me. I do not understand how people who call themselves Muslim are not Muslim because it's Bush's fault.

But maybe Obama is right, maybe these guys aren't so bad once you get past the burning bodies and headless babies....maybe getting them jobs will mellow them so they only shoot people anymore
 
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