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Police should not be able to use lethal force unless they have been fired upon.
Lol...
Police should not be able to use lethal force unless they have been fired upon.
So, just "tough luck" to anyone else under threat of being shot? Until the bad guy shoots at a cop he has free fire?Police should not be able to use lethal force unless they have been fired upon.
So, just "tough luck" to anyone else under threat of being shot? Until the bad guy shoots at a cop he has free fire?
Except that if you look at all the data, not just percentage of population, that is not true. The graph just showed raw numbers, I will concede that, but that does not change the larger truth.
I agree, but the poster I was replying to said cops couldn't shoot until they were shot at.No, if the person has a weapon and is threatening the cop, then the cop has a right to self defense like any other citizen.
Well, that's ONE narrative of the situation. I'm wondering if the security guard was wearing a uniform for one thing, I'm also sure the bystanders WEREN'T chanting "security, security" in unison and they may have, in fact added to the situation.independentusa said:In this situation the cop was told the man holding the gun was a guard by many in the crowd, but he shot the man anyway. Cops are trained to be aware of the situation around them, so he had to know the man holding the gun was a good guy. Apparently not, as the good guy died and the bad guy is still alive. Cops like any other citizen have to be prepared to pay for their mistakes, especially when it comes to taking a life. Murder no, manslaughter yes.
You know after this shooting, if I was a black guard and someone came into the place I was guarding and started shooting, I would walk out the back door and tell myself, I am not going to get shot by a cop just to save someone else.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...rd-shot-by-police_us_5be9a032e4b0caeec2bbcbb3
A black security guard at a bar stops a shooting and captures one of the suspects and then gets shot and killed by police for his actions. The police were told by the patrons that the man was a security guard, but they still shot him. Want to bet there is no action taken by the police against the shooter. I guess the saying is that if you are a good white person with a gun you can stop a shooting and still not get killed yourself by the police.
And quite often they still don't use lethal force... when the shooter is white.Police should not be able to use lethal force unless they have been fired upon.
That's because people like Beaudreaux get off on seeing black men get shot. His wild rabid rant was nothing more than a cover for his racism.You make this sound like the wild west where the cops shoot first and ask questions later. Do you realize that is why so many coop shootings lately have been questioned. This is especially true when it comes to the shooting of black men vs white men. And yes, I would expect the cop to be listening to what the crowd was saying. Maybe he was so focused on the people involved that he never took the time to ACTUALLY find out what was going on. SO he saved the poor shooter and killed the guard. I guess some people will always make excuses for cops shooting black men no matter what.
This here little graph says you are wrong, not that I am surprised.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
I am sure you make your parents proud.
I think my parents would rather have me alive than shot by a policeman like happens often when the person in question is black. And it matters little if the cop is white or black.
Well, then, your parents are pretty selfish as well. I would rather help complete strangers knowing I was going to die than ditch out the back like a coward to protect myself knowing others would parish. Then again, I am just one of those racist, sexist, bigoted, deplorable, uneducated rubes that called himself a conservative.
Police should not be able to use lethal force unless they have been fired upon.
Pretty much. And we do not punish the State or its agents when they abuse power, nor do we demand better training and changes in protocol.
You make this sound like the wild west where the cops shoot first and ask questions later. Do you realize that is why so many coop shootings lately have been questioned. This is especially true when it comes to the shooting of black men vs white men. And yes, I would expect the cop to be listening to what the crowd was saying. Maybe he was so focused on the people involved that he never took the time to ACTUALLY find out what was going on. SO he saved the poor shooter and killed the guard. I guess some people will always make excuses for cops shooting black men no matter what.
gotta wait for more info for me to have an opinion but it does "seem" like an office with poor training and way to quick of a trigger finger . . . even in my head to invent a story that would justify the shooting it takes a lot . . .
What is your basis for the claim that a white man holding a gun on a person is as likely to be shot as a black man in the same situation? The lived experience tends to support the observation that cops disproportionately shoot more black men, in any given situation. It would be racist to deny this was so.
Cops should exist or we would have chaos.Cops shouldn't exist.
not alot of info on what happened yet . .
seems the only thing known is the crowd was telling the police he was security and he was wearing articles identifying as such but nothing else
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ed-police-officer-responding-shooting-n935311
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/us/police-officer-shoots-security-guard-chicago.html
https://www.foxnews.com/us/cop-accidentally-kills-security-guard-at-bar-in-chicago-suburbs
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...lly-shoots-security-guard-chicago-suburbs-bar
gotta wait for more info for me to have an opinion but it does "seem" like an office with poor training and way to quick of a trigger finger . . . even in my head to invent a story that would justify the shooting it takes a lot . . .