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A Good Economic Book?

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I haven't taken High School economics, but next year I will at school, but prior to that I wanted to learn a little more about basic economics. I agree (with common sense) that a conservative economic policy would work quite better, but I do not have enough material in order to debate these points thoroughly. I asked my grandfather and he gave me "Free to Choose" by Miltion Friedman, but it was a little hard to follow. Could anyone recommend a good, simple book on basic economics?
 
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Adam Smith - Wealth of the Nations
Read his post and you will find he found Milton Friedman's Free to Choose series was difficult to understand. The Inquiry Into the Wealth of Nations is 10 times harder if you have viewed both Milton's video and read Smith's book.

Try this.

Use powerpoint to watch all the slides provided at the top-left corner. Select and go through these slides in chronological order.

You can purchase the entire book which is far more in-depth than the slide for around 140$.

http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Ec..._bbs_sr_2/102-1405726-5264915?ie=UTF8&s=books
 
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Economics in one lesson is pretty simple.
 
Tom Friedman's "The World Is Flat" is simple enough... More about outsourcing, globalization and the world economy but a good book...
 
Thanks guys I will look into it!
 
You might try "Economics for Dummies", it's a good starting place.
 
"Revolutionary Wealth" by alvin toffler is by far the best economic book i have had the privilege to read.
 
Check out econlib.org, they have some articles that explain basic economic concepts pretty well. They are *slightly* libertarian leaning but there articles on basic economic concepts are solid.
Not quite finished with it but Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman is pretty easy to follow and lays out a solid defense of capitalism, although you may want to read it after you first learn economics.
 
Read his post and you will find he found Milton Friedman's Free to Choose series was difficult to understand. The Inquiry Into the Wealth of Nations is 10 times harder if you have viewed both Milton's video and read Smith's book.

Try this.

Use powerpoint to watch all the slides provided at the top-left corner. Select and go through these slides in chronological order.

You can purchase the entire book which is far more in-depth than the slide for around 140$.

Amazon.com: Principles of Economics Student Edition: Books: N. Gregory Mankiw

This was a great post and a great resource to give someone a solid basic framework for learning about economics.

My two cents is that all the books mentioned in this thread might be useful, but not until you understand the basics of economics. I'd vote that you go through the powerpoints listed on that site and get that down pat first.
 
Debunking economics by Steve Keen is a great introduction to the massive flaws in neoclassical mainstream economics.

And A history of economic thought:a critical perspective by E.K Hunt is great and also outlines the flaws in the ridiculous joke of utilitarian based mainstream economics.It covers the rise of utilitarian economics and alternatives from an historical perspective.
 
Debunking economics by Steve Keen is a great introduction to the massive flaws in neoclassical mainstream economics.

And A history of economic thought:a critical perspective by E.K Hunt is great and also outlines the flaws in the ridiculous joke of utilitarian based mainstream economics.It covers the rise of utilitarian economics and alternatives from an historical perspective.

Its not an introduction to the massive flaws. Furthermore, you bring up one author who is attempting to overthrow the relative consensus on basic economic theory. But let me quote a source to throw out this author from consideration. His work is classified as a "hatchet job." More humorous, he makes "undergraduate mistakes."
ARPA: Debunking Keen
Australian Review of Public Affairs said:
"Keen either lacks understanding of economics, or how economists actually go about their art, or— more likely— is somewhat disingenuous. All in all, Keen has done an excellent hatchet job. Most of this hatchet job occurs through misrepresentation, although there is some factual inaccuracy."

"In addition, while Keen attacks neoclassical economics, he specifically limits his attack to undergraduate economics. Indeed, he makes a classic undergraduate mistake. In his chapter on the theory of the firm, he is confused by the definition of the term ‘monopoly’. Economists define a monopoly as being a single firm in a single industry. Keen seems to think that a monopoly is any large firm. Worse, when not misrepresenting views, he manufactures them. For example, he writes that if the world operated as neoclassical economists says it should then ‘income should go to those who deserve it’. Most neoclassical economists would argue, however, that income should go to those who earn it."
 
Debunking economics by Steve Keen is a great introduction to the massive flaws in neoclassical mainstream economics.

And A history of economic thought:a critical perspective by E.K Hunt is great and also outlines the flaws in the ridiculous joke of utilitarian based mainstream economics.It covers the rise of utilitarian economics and alternatives from an historical perspective.

Let me guess, socialist?
 
I will give you an economic primer

I was an Econ Major, but Economics has been my pet subject for a long time, since early high school.

Economics is the study of the scarcity of wealth and resources, how to distribute those resources, how to decide who gets how much, and to discover the behavior of institutions as they influence the economy and how the economy influences the institutions.

Maco economics starts off looking at the entirety of the economy, such as money supply, GDP, unemployment, interest rates, and works its way down to the individual firm.

Micro Economics starts off analyzing the behavior of small firms, it discovers how they make decisoins, their profit motive, their hiring behavior, their pricing policies and works its way upward to the entire economy.

Normative Vs. Positive Economics. Normative economics is a value judgement assessment of how one beliefs the economy should operate. Normative economics gives qualitative responses. Positive economics is concerned with purely describing how it works regardless of the emotional, social, or controversial aspects of the statistical information. A newspaper article about unemployment being too high would normative. An economist explaining what caused high unemployment would be positive economics. Sociologists are characterized as being normative economists.

Oppurtunity Cost: In any economy the cost of doing one thing is the cost of all other things forgone in its place. The real cost of doing A is that B C and D cannot also be done. The cost of making computers is that the same firm cannot now make tuperware. In government Oppurtunity Cost is the entire argument. The cost of giving 1 billion to the poor is that the 1 billion must be neglected from the middle class and the wealthy. The cost of giving to the poor is the anger experienced by the middle class and the wealthy, if there is any anger at all. Of course to find out if they are angry, that would be a subject for normative economists to discover.

The Production Possibilities Curve: In any society there is a curve of finality which cannot be exceeded. In our society our production potential for computer hardware and software is very high, whereas in Mexico is it is much lower. Yet our production possibilty for agriculture is also much higher than Mexico's. The Production Possibilites Curve is a set of all combinations of high tech and low tech industries and how much they can produce. The entire Ameican curve exceeds the entire Mexican curve. Yet Cubas curve for high quality cigars exceeds Mexicos, thus at this point Cuba finds an advantage. Economics is keenly interested in deciding what is the greatest point on the curve between low tech and high tech industries. A simple question is to ask, should more farmers become computer scientists, or should more computer scientists become farmers. The production possibilities curve attempts the GDP outcome of different combinations and then tries to encourage which point will produce the greatest GDP outcome. Thus, in our current economy it seems that farmers would be better off becoming computer scientists. The Curve is usually umbrella shaped, which insinuates that some middle position is usually the most advantageous.

The Law of Diminishing Returns
The law of diminishing returns is a universal principle that applies to all things. The law is that inputs are increased at some point more input is not beneficial but actually becomes detrimental. The flower pot example is the most classic example. Normally about a dozen seeds in one flower pot should produce the optimum amount of healthy flowers, yet two dozen may produce more flowers but they may be less healthy, whereas six dozen seeds in one flower pot would yield only one or two sickly flowers because the seeds themselves are acting as a deterent. The law of diminishing returns is interested at find what point is more not more and at what point does more actually begin to produce less

Indifference Curves A very interesting situation in an economy is the moment when a certain amount of something is equally as valuable to something else. This is the true price of something. For example how many beds would someone trade for a car. The point of indifference equates the price of both the car and the beds. If one would trade six beds for a new car, the car then is worth six beds and the bed is worth one sixth of a car, regardless of the price of the items. The indifference curve shows at what point the person would accept either/or the car or the beds. This experiment applied over a survey of many people reveals a moment of absolute valuation. This was done with rats in cages. Tasts cola was put in one bottle with a lever, and plain water was put in another bottle with a lever. The rats were allowed to pull each lever to get the drink of there choice. Yet as the rats began to choose the cola over the water, the amount of pulls of levers was gradually increased until the rats gave up and did want to have to pull the level thirty times to get a little bit of cola. So the moment of indifference was 29 pulls of the level for cola being equal to one pull of the level to get water. The moment of indifference comes when it seems that the rat could go either way, 29 pulls for soda, or 1 pull for water. The value of realizing the moment of indifference is to see just how far inflation of one set of prices can go before the buyers just stop and choose something less expensive. Sometimes indifference curves run in combinations, such as which would you rather have: 1 apple and 2 bannanas or 2 bannanas and 1 apple. Under this method the individual can assess what is the true value of each the banana and the apple in terms of other. To choose 2 bananas and 1 apple over 1 apple and 2 bananas, indicates that bananas are more valuable in the economy. The moment of indifference may occur somewhere inside one of the fruit.

I will continue my primer for you .......
 
His work is classified as a "hatchet job." More humorous, he makes "undergraduate mistakes."
ARPA: Debunking Keen
Translation: he uses his brain and doesn't hide behind esoteric mathematical models so these neoclassical cranks are scon the defensive like Samuelson himself was when Sraffa and Robinson came along.

He basically summarises the work fo giants like Piero Sraffa,Joan Robinson,Thorstein Veblen and Keynes.

Another seminal work is Piero Sraffa's The production of commodities by means of commodities, in 83 pages he destroys neoclassical economic and those which use Bohm-Bawerks capital theory, he solved Marx's transformationa problem and resurrected Ricardo's theory of value.

Piero SRAFFA
 
Normative Vs. Positive Economics. Normative economics is a value judgement assessment of how one beliefs the economy should operate. Normative economics gives qualitative responses. Positive economics is concerned with purely describing how it works regardless of the emotional, social, or controversial aspects of the statistical information. A newspaper article about unemployment being too high would normative. An economist explaining what caused high unemployment would be positive economics. Sociologists are characterized as being normative economists.
:rofl
This is one of the biggest lies in capitalist economics,the idea it is value free,all people have values and some of this inevitably rubs of on the writings of all economists,anyone who says otherwise has ever decieved themselves or is trying to decive you.
Like the super crank(and fascist supporter.)Milton Friedman who wrote a book called "capitalism and freedom" and then claimed to be a value free economist.
 
I'm an anarchist.

Oh, well then clearly we should defer to your superior understanding of the subject.

I'm actually curious about this - what place in society do anarchists actually hold nowadays? I seem to meet them fairly frequently, but can't figure out where they actually exist. Do you work? Where do you live? How do you provide for yourself? How does your belief in anarchism play out in day to day life?

The vast majority of anarchists I've met are under the age of 18 and live with their parents. I assume that they must somehow figure out how to survive after that age, unless they all grow out of their beliefs.
 
Okay, one of the tremendous way that there are no losers in the american economic system exept the ones that don't have the will to try, is the beauty of the corporation. To incorporate costs less than three hundred dollars in all states and less than six hunderd in all states. Thus, if the corporation wins or loses, only the corporation itself goes bankrupt not the person. You can have an endless amount of attempts to make a corporation go public and see if it can make millions. If it fails, just it goes bankrupt and you walk away to try again, yet if a sole proprietorship fails your house is at stake unless you live in florida or texas which has the homestead law which states that the house is always exempt no matter what it is worth. Now of course the foolish my have sole proprietorship or a partnership, which then fails and for ten years the person is financially dedicated to living in the shadow of that failure but if somehow has the good basic sense to read two or three books about incorporating and gets the IRS booklet which teaches a person how to fill out the corporation tax forms, then the person can just keep tryin and tryin and tryin and tryin, The bank looks at a corporation as a credit worthy entity seperate from an individual. So if you have the lowest credit score yourself of say 400 which is just about as low as it can possibly go, your corporation can have perfect credit and the two never co mingle. This is the trick taught in the get rich quick schemes for about two decades now. Of course it is not a get rich quick scheme but it is a way to gain instant good credit, and to raise funds in the name of the corporation without having your creditors look at your personal finances as a means of lending you money, they may only look at the credit of the corporation.

the steps
1. get a good idea
2. get an corporation
3 sell your idea to those who will listen
4 raise money
5 establish a bank account in the corp name
5 keep borrowing and repaying to increase bank credit
6 get credit cards in the corp name, keep borrowing and repaying to build credit card credibility
7, combine the good credit create to solicite the bank or banks for larger loans based off of your corps credit
8 obtain your funds, grow grow grow
9. call nasdaq or the new york stock exchange and order paper work to go public if your corp is generating more than five million in annual revenue
10 go public with an ipo
11 keep growing
12 retire and write a book about it
13 rest in peace.

At any point that you fail and go bankrupt, cut your corp loses, sell off your assets, meaning the corp assets, pay off your stockholders and creditors. Then go ahead and start another one. You can literally do this forever and ever. There is no limit to the amount of corps you can start, only if you are found to have committed fraud, or were grossly negligent in operating or supervising your people. Such as one case were a steel mill locked its fire exits so that late employees couldn't sneak in, while relying on there buddies to punch the clock for them. When the fire brewed they couldn't escape 40 employees died, now those guys aren't not allowed to file for corporations and they spend six years in prision for manslaughter chargers.

My buddy in college created a corporation to sell tickets for raves. He was only the person that printed the tickets, created the ads, and collected the money. He kept a piece of the profits, but the majority of the money went to the club, which was a seperate entity. When It turned out that a nearby lecherous rave ticketeer photocopied his tickets which then had duplicate control numbers and sold them to the public, he found that he had to declare bankruptcy in the name of the corporation. Three months later he started a new rave corporation, with absolutley no financial penalty to himself exept that that club no longer would do business with him.

As long as you are corporate minded in this american economy you can keep trying absolutely forever with no financial penalty exept the time and money that you put into the corporation. Your home, your private checking account, your car, all of it is safe. You can even pay yourself a somewhat ridiculous high amount, until the IRS audits you and then you merely have to pay yourself less or prove that you are worth that much to your own company, and the greatest argument being ... I started the company. A point which the IRS tends to accept.
 
:rofl
This is one of the biggest lies in capitalist economics,the idea it is value free,all people have values and some of this inevitably rubs of on the writings of all economists,anyone who says otherwise has ever decieved themselves or is trying to decive you.
Like the super crank(and fascist supporter.)Milton Friedman who wrote a book called "capitalism and freedom" and then claimed to be a value free economist.

Facisit Supporter? I imagine you are talking about the Junta of Chile? Milton Friedman did not suppor the Junta. Yes he did provide economic advising for that nation. But you are aware that those market reforms lead to a growth in Chile's economic situation and that the Junta was eventually thrown out? Furthermore, Keynes philosophy has been rather unsuccessful.
 
Please tell me, objectively speaking, what is wrong with the economic basis for capitalism?
If you mean neoclassical economics then it is both built on ridiuclous assumptions and internally,logically inconsistent.
 
Facisit Supporter? I imagine you are talking about the Junta of Chile? Milton Friedman did not suppor the Junta. Yes he did provide economic advising for that nation. But you are aware that those market reforms lead to a growth in Chile's economic situation and that the Junta was eventually thrown out? Furthermore, Keynes philosophy has been rather unsuccessful.

Actually th Pinoche years where ones of low aggregate growth,soaring poverty and inequality and great insecurity and boom and bust business cycles.
Chile had some of the lowest growth in South america.

And I'm an anarchist so I only care about Keynes's ideas about the real nature of capitalist economies,but I will say since the introduction of keynesian policies,no country using them has had a depression.
 
If you mean neoclassical economics then it is both built on ridiuclous assumptions and internally,logically inconsistent.

Quite vague, care to elaborate specifically so we can have some form of real debate?
 
Actually th Pinoche years where ones of low aggregate growth,soaring poverty and inequality and great insecurity and boom and bust business cycles.
Chile had some of the lowest growth in South america.

And I'm an anarchist so I only care about Keynes's ideas about the real nature of capitalist economies,but I will say since the introduction of keynesian policies,no country using them has had a depression.
So you believe the policies to be successful, then why do you proclaim to be an anarchist?
Your claims on Pinochet are incorrect. "This period was characterized by several important economic achievements: inflation was reduced greatly, the government deficit was virtually eliminated, the economy went through a dramatic liberalization of its foreign sector, and a strong market system was established." Chile under Pinochet: Information from Answers.com. Yes he was a horrible dictator, but the reforms iniated by the "Chicago Boys," on the whole worked. It was true social services were cut and the poor did suffer, for a time. There were monopolies, that Pinochet kept in spite of Friedman's advice. On the whole though, the policies worked when the Junta did not counteract them with their own generally bad policies. "Growth in real GDP averaged 8% during 1991-97, but fell to half that level in 1998 because of tight monetary policies implemented to keep the current account deficit in check and because of lower export earnings - the latter a product of the global financial crisis." https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/ci.html
 
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