"A call for American Renewal"; a call to make the Republican Party Survive Trumpism

[PeacefulWarrior]

In fact it is true, a fact, that audits are now being held and their results are not yet known. It is rumored, though perhaps not a fact, that further audits in some States will also be held.

It is also a fact that millions of Republicand nd Democrats do not believe the election was honest.

 

[rahl]

Will these "Republicans" be Following and upholding the US Constitution , or will they be a rebranded GOP Status Quo that has been rejected ?
The Tea Party was the initial rebuking of the Corrupt GOP party, by the American People !
Trump was/is a Better option ! He's fighting the Corruption of the DEM-REP Monopoly in DC , and thus is hated by them !

To better understand our problem in America do the following :
1) Open this site and see what DEBT the D&R Monopoly has put "YOU" in https://usdebtclock.org/
2) Go read: https://commonsenseevaluation.com/2016/08/29/charley-reeses-final-column/
3)Watch this to understand why and how America was designed:
4) Repeat 1-4 as many times as it takes YOU to understand that you are being screwed and supporting Criminals in DC ! So you can STOP harming America !

where was the T party when trump DOUBLED the deficit from 500B to 1T, and EXPLODED the debt at a faster rate than did obama? lol you guys.

 

[Carl Young]

Is that really the best you can do?

 

[dixon01767]

Trump the Terrorist totally ruined the Republican Party five years ago, but it was already bad.

And then there is the real world where he got more votes for President than any Republican in history.

 

[rahl]

And then there is the real world where he got more votes for President than any Republican in history.

and was defeated by more votes than any candidate in history.

 

[Carl Young]

And then there is the real world where he got more votes for President than any Republican in history.

And any Democrat in history. Both Biden and Trump got more votes than BHO.

Between Biden and Obama it seems the Democrats felt Biden was the smarter one.

 

[Tbird19482]

Will these "Republicans" be Following and upholding the US Constitution , or will they be a rebranded GOP Status Quo that has been rejected ?
The Tea Party was the initial rebuking of the Corrupt GOP party, by the American People !
Trump was/is a Better option ! He's fighting the Corruption of the DEM-REP Monopoly in DC , and thus is hated by them !

To better understand our problem in America do the following :
1) Open this site and see what DEBT the D&R Monopoly has put "YOU" in https://usdebtclock.org/
2) Go read: https://commonsenseevaluation.com/2016/08/29/charley-reeses-final-column/
3)Watch this to understand why and how America was designed:
4) Repeat 1-4 as many times as it takes YOU to understand that you are being screwed and supporting Criminals in DC ! So you can STOP harming America !

You say open the site to see what debt they put us in did you ever read and find out how much Trump ran it up in 4 YEARS
Obama something like 8.3 Trillion in 8 YEARS
Trump 7.5 Trillion in 4 YEARS ( ,8 Trillion less then Obama's 8 Years all in just 4 years)
I thought they elected him because he said he was going to reduce the debt ( didn't he say ( if I am not mistaken) that he was going to eliminate it in 8 Years )
If He was in for another 4 years it looks like he would REALLY have run it up more then Obama
Have a nice day

 

[D_NATURED]

If it weren't for an unexpected pandemic, he might have won a second term.

You may be right. Provided nothing happened that might serve to illustrate his gross incompetence and apathy to the health of the USA, he could have still bragged and lied his way to a second term. I agree. His followers have set the bar on the ground.

I wonder if the GOP rabble will ever demand more than just a candidate who acts like a tough guy and makes them feel OK about being dumb. All of this talk about conservative principles implies the actually have ANY above hegemony and graft. So far, I haven't noticed any.

 

[D_NATURED]

And any Democrat in history. Both Biden and Trump got more votes than BHO.

Between Biden and Obama it seems the Democrats felt Biden was the smarter one.

If Obama had been half the narcissist and traitor that Trump is, he'd still be president. He Turned around Bush's depression and consistently made rational decisions, as president. He was a breath of fresh air that was, too soon, replaced with the toxic stench that was Trump's ceaseless corruption, bigotry and incompetence.

 

[ClaraD]

Of course he gave illegals amnesty by shielding them from deportation. Just because Obama tried to extend the meaning of amnesty to include permanent citizenship doesn't change the fact what he did on it's face is amnesty.

he didn't give anyone amnesty and the priority on deportations didn't lead to less deportations, it led to more....Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any other modern president...so, try that lie again.

 

[ClaraD]

Who cares? 150 RINO's sign something? Wow, this is big. LOL! There is no support for clowns like this, they might as well be Democrats. This is the leftists dream, to have Democrats running as Republicans so they control everything.

Meanwhile, people are not happy since Biden managed to get in office. He's killed jobs, screwed up a ready made system to get people vaccinated, and absolutely blew up an under control border into a complete disaster. Notice what's happening at school board meetings lately? People are PISSED, and the
Democrats are looking at a big, big problem in the 2022 elections. Sure, Republicans are capable of screwing up a gift wrapped House and Senate, so nothing is for sure.

Democrat priorities right now are; keep people scared of the China Flu, keep elections as insecure as possible so they can work their overnight magic, and push misleading info like this through their media puppets. This garbage would be a joke, if it wasn't so dangerous for our country.

dude the only RINO's are Trumpers....none of you have a clue what the GOP platform is or what it should be.....Trumpers are fake Qanon nuts that all claim that they are Republicans....just to avoid calling themselves what they really are.

 

[dixon01767]

and was defeated by more votes than any candidate in history.

We will see if the audits confirm this. Sad state of affairs if an old senile man at the end of his corrupt career as a politician actually did that.

 

[TobyOne]

I'm down with renewal and reform etc of any institution - but I don't trust a bunch of republicans who are not spending their time and effort on the elephant in the room - the leftist/racist democratic party. Deal with them first.

A group of Republicans is forming an organization to recruit and support candidates in the most competitive 2022 House and Senate races.

The group plans to raise funding to support or oppose candidates to defeat radical Republicans. Those who support former President Donald Trump in four to five Senate races and about twenty or more races in the H. or Rep. in next year’s midterm elections. They will also recruit candidates to run in GOP primaries or as independents against these radical Rinos.

One hundred and fifty former Republican governors, members of Congress and cabinet officials have signed the principles listed in the link

A Call for American Renewal

It’s time to restore a “common-sense coalition” in our political system, and we are committed to making that a reality.

www.acallforamericanrenewal.com

 

[ClaraD]

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We will see if the audits confirm this. Sad state of affairs if an old senile man at the end of his corrupt career as a politician actually did that.

audits...you guys do not know what an audit or chain of custody is.

 

[rahl]

We will see if the audits confirm this.

they already have. every count, recount and audit has shown this.

Sad state of affairs if an old senile man at the end of his corrupt career as a politician actually did that.

We know he did that. It's not a question of if or actually. We, including you, knows biden beat trump in a free and fair election as every single investigation to date, mostly by republicans h as shown. That is how pathetic a candidate/president trump was. He was a national and international embarrassment, never getting above a 50% approval rating and was rejected by the american voters in 2016 and again in 2020 by the largest margin in US history.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

And then there is the real world where he got more votes for President than any Republican in history.

Which does not mean anything except 75 million Americans hate their own country. If you love him, you hate America. It is that simple.

 

[RAMOSS]

where was the T party when trump DOUBLED the deficit from 500B to 1T, and EXPLODED the debt at a faster rate than did obama? lol you guys.

And that was even BEFORE covid 19!

 

[TimPatriot]

It does not "remain to be seen"..... The fact is that Biden had 81 million votes; Trump 74 million. Biden's vote total was 16 million more than Clinton's in 2016. Those are the facts. Debate is about building a logical argument from facts.

Your comparing Biden's votes to Obama shows a remarkable level of ignorance about the last election. Don't you understand that the increase in votes was not about Biden, it was about Trump? He was the most disliked US president in recent times. You made the point that Trump was so popular that he drove out a record number of Republicans to the polls (10 million more than 2016). I countered with Trump had an even larger "unpopular" rating such that he drove out 16 million more people that had had enough. While the turnout was greater than expected, the outcome, almost to the state, was anticipated by pre-election polls and Trumps horrific approval rating, which generally was in the low 40s for his entire presidency. Anyone that believes the outcome of Trump losing to be a surprise was not paying attention.

This "remains to be seen" is fantasy. It has no place in a debate. You can believe in Santa Claus if you want, but you are not allowed to come here, to Debate Politics, and try to sell your fantasies as truth. Please stick to the facts.

I have presented plenty of facts about election integrity, or lack thereof. Despite 3000+ affidavits about irregularities, the media keeps pushing this bullshit narrative that there is no evidence. Despite video of ballots being run in Fulton County after observers were sent home. Despite several mathematicians who have analyzed voting information and found that the correlation between outcomes across multiple states to an algorithm are unnatural. We have seen in Georgia a lack of chain of custody on several hundred thousand ballots. Also in GA, tally sheets with the same number of votes for Biden and Trump and Third party.

These and other lingering questions have not been answered. The courts have largely refused to hear cases, not on evidence, but on standing or timing. That is why there is now an effort in all 50 states to do full forensic audits.

If you really think Biden got that many votes, then support the audits. This will never go away until we get to the bottom of what really happened on 11/3.

 

[rahl]

I have presented plenty of facts about election integrity, or lack thereof. Despite 3000+ affidavits about irregularities, the media keeps pushing this bullshit narrative that there is no evidence. Despite video of ballots being run in Fulton County after observers were sent home. Despite several mathematicians who have analyzed voting information and found that the correlation between outcomes across multiple states to an algorithm are unnatural. We have seen in Georgia a lack of chain of custody on several hundred thousand ballots. Also in GA, tally sheets with the same number of votes for Biden and Trump and Third party.

These and other lingering questions have not been answered. The courts have largely refused to hear cases, not on evidence, but on standing or timing. That is why there is now an effort in all 50 states to do full forensic audits.

If you really think Biden got that many votes, then support the audits. This will never go away until we get to the bottom of what really happened on 11/3.

 

[upsideguy]

I have presented plenty of facts about election integrity, or lack thereof. Despite 3000+ affidavits about irregularities, the media keeps pushing this bullshit narrative that there is no evidence. Despite video of ballots being run in Fulton County after observers were sent home. Despite several mathematicians who have analyzed voting information and found that the correlation between outcomes across multiple states to an algorithm are unnatural. We have seen in Georgia a lack of chain of custody on several hundred thousand ballots. Also in GA, tally sheets with the same number of votes for Biden and Trump and Third party.

These and other lingering questions have not been answered. The courts have largely refused to hear cases, not on evidence, but on standing or timing. That is why there is now an effort in all 50 states to do full forensic audits.

If you really think Biden got that many votes, then support the audits. This will never go away until we get to the bottom of what really happened on 11/3.

Sorry pal, it is your belief, not fact. It has no more basis for evidence in an argument then referring to Santa Claus as a real person. I am not interested in taking your conspiracy apart, as its a waste of time, though anytime you begin your argument with this doesn't make sense and your only evidence are a bunch of witnesses, you are playing the formula of a conspiracy theory. Trump cases have been adjudicated and laughed out of court on lack of evidence.... so you are operating on nothing but a belief system. Beliefs are not facts. You can use facts to argue your beliefs, but you can't use your beliefs to argue a position, which you continually are trying to do. I won't let you do it.

Again, the fact is that Biden had 7 million more votes than Trump. While its very likely the a great many of Biden's votes were not votes FOR Biden, they were votes against Trump, it does not alter the impact of the final talley: 81M for Biden; 74M against Trump. That is a fact.

You can build some arguments off of those facts, but you can't change or have your own facts. I get you don't like the outcome and have this fantasy that it will somehow change, but it is a fantasy, a belief. If you can't deal in facts, I suggest you take your case down the hall to conspiracy theories where people care about this stuff. In big boy debate, no one here is interested in your beliefs unless they can be reasoned from facts. But, the issue here was you telling us all how Trump we were all to be in awe of Trump for getting 10 million more votes in 2020 than 2016. That is a fact. I countered with you need to caution your enthusiasm as there were 16 million more people that voted AGAINST Trump in 2020 than 2016. That is also a fact. You seemingly have to legitimate answer to that other than revert to your fantasies..... no one is interested in those.

 

[JustAFella]

The thing is, Trump was always the logical conclusion (oh, God, please let this be the bottom) of the GOP. They have been pushing nothing but tax cuts for the wealthy for 40 years and trade on nothing but white grievance. They have been courting racists and nationalists and sexists this whole time thinking they would never have to deliver anything other than policy for Big Business.

As the number of people who think they are victims because they are white dwindles, they have nothing but enacting voter suppression policy and lying about stolen elections.

Point is, there is no going back to what the GOP was 30 years ago. They passed the rubicon.

 

[pamak]

That's a fairly open-ended question.

Tell you what, how's about YOU telling ME where YOU believe he held his interests above those of the USA first?

That way I can get a feel for exactly what you think I must justify in answer to your question.

He did it with the obvious lies he spread during the coronavirus crisis when he chose to mislead the public about the severity of the thread and equate the virus to the flu.

 

[dixon01767]

they already have. every count, recount and audit has shown this.

The only audit isnt yet completed in Phoenix.

 

[dixon01767]

Which does not mean anything except 75 million Americans hate their own country. If you love him, you hate America. It is that simple.

Precisely the opposite.

 

[snakestretcher]

Your just upset with truth. 10m more voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016 - his popularity is growing not waning. Get with the realignment - Uniparty or Maga. Populist or elitist/oligarch. There is no room for corrupt RINOs in the new GOP. They know it, that is why they are floundering to find a place to land.

Yeah, he's so popular that he lost an election by a landslide! That's the truth you hate so much. Hilarious.