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A Brief History of the Bush Tax Cuts

You've either been brain washed or in that 1 to 5 percent bracket yourself...

ricksfolly

I pay over 300K a year in federal income taxes

I pay way too much and I get nothing extra in return over someone like you
 
socialist nonsense is not a good argument

what pray tell us is "enough"

under the Haymarket rational the rich have a duty to pay as much as the rest of the country demands

being such a big libertarian I am sure you oppose such mob rule confiscation

News flash!!!!!!!! Cutting government spending by by 10% in 2011 will put us unbelievably close to recession, there are no "buts' " about it. You cannot raise taxes on lower and middle class income earners without equal offsets in discretionary spending (the "one to one" rule applies when disposable income is less than 10%).

However, if you increase taxes on the wealthiest Americans, personal consumption will stay the same.

My question to you is, why?
 
your fixation on luntz is hilarious

I pay as much attention to him as I do your definitions from wiki

meaning not at all

Really. You follow his orders like a lapdog follows the orders of her master. You use the term 'death tax' just the way Luntz and Faris ordered right winger to use it. Your mouth says one thing but your fingers typing say quite another.
 
I pay over 300K a year in federal income taxes

I pay way too much and I get nothing extra in return over someone like you

You get to live in a society where you earn enough and are wealthy enough to pay 300K per year. I suspect you cannot even appreciate how lucky you are. But anytime this society becomes too oppressive for you - there is no Berlin Wall holding you in. Of course, Somalia hardly offers the opportunity to keep that gravy train rolling. How do you look in a black eye patch Turtle?
 
News flash!!!!!!!! Cutting government spending by by 10% in 2011 will put us unbelievably close to recession, there are no "buts' " about it. You cannot raise taxes on lower and middle class income earners without equal offsets in discretionary spending (the "one to one" rule applies when disposable income is less than 10%).

However, if you increase taxes on the wealthiest Americans, personal consumption will stay the same.

My question to you is, why?

spending more and more is a great idea

why do the rich have the duty to save this country from problems caused by everyone who votes?
 
You get to live in a society where you earn enough and are wealthy enough to pay 300K per year. I suspect you cannot even appreciate how lucky you are. But anytime this society becomes too oppressive for you - there is no Berlin Wall holding you in. Of course, Somalia hardly offers the opportunity to keep that gravy train rolling. How do you look in a black eye patch Turtle?

you probably thought the guys who were talented enough to make the grades that allowed them to go into real professions were lucky too.
 
Really. You follow his orders like a lapdog follows the orders of her master. You use the term 'death tax' just the way Luntz and Faris ordered right winger to use it. Your mouth says one thing but your fingers typing say quite another.

you just make crap up-you work for the dems and you claim others are bots. I have never read anything by those two you seem to have an unhealthy fixation upon
 
you just make crap up-you work for the dems and you claim others are bots. I have never read anything by those two you seem to have an unhealthy fixation upon

So you lie now to make it look like you are not a lapdog. And this is breaking news?
 
So you lie now to make it look like you are not a lapdog. And this is breaking news?


1) no lie-I have no affiliation with those two you appear to obsess over

2) and this is not the breaking news section-pay more attention
 
spending more and more is a great idea

why do the rich have the duty to save this country from problems caused by everyone who votes?

It was wall-street that pandered towards the deregulation policy that allowed the global financial system to become infested with toxic junk, all of which would have brought the global economy to its knees without the intervention that you talk against.

Watch how well the U.S. economy behaves without adequate stimulus.
 
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Then why did Luntz and Faris issue marching orders to the right two decades ago to start calling it a death tax?

Its a bitch when the historical record gets in the way of your hysterical broken record.

Is this not rather similar to the efforts by the Obama administration to refer to certain items as "tax expenditures" when referring to tax deductions?
 
It was wall-street that pandered towards the deregulation policy that allowed the global financial system to become infested with toxic junk, all of which would have brought the global economy to its knees without the intervention that you talk against.

Watch how well the U.S. economy behaves without adequate stimulus.

Wall St no doubt pandered, but to the atmosphere created and fostered by the political impetus to expand home ownership started by Clinton and furthered by every prez since and further supported by Barney "Lets roll the dice on this" Frank. Wall St would have had nothing to pander to were it not for the atmosphere and permissive attitudes created by these guys.
 
Is this not rather similar to the efforts by the Obama administration to refer to certain items as "tax expenditures" when referring to tax deductions?

or calling tax deductions as handouts or subsidies?

only fools think death tax was a term that did not exist until 20 years ago
 
Wall St no doubt pandered, but to the atmosphere created and fostered by the political impetus to expand home ownership started by Clinton and furthered by every prez since and further supported by Barney "Lets roll the dice on this" Frank. Wall St would have had nothing to pander to were it not for the atmosphere and permissive attitudes created by these guys.

This does not excuse the risk management failure by the major investment banks, all of which have been exposed for getting junk rated AAA.

They were the experts who were supposed to know how to model securities. There is no excuse....
 
Is this not rather similar to the efforts by the Obama administration to refer to certain items as "tax expenditures" when referring to tax deductions?

Never heard it. I wonder how many have outside of obsessed Obama haters on internet message boards.
 
or calling tax deductions as handouts or subsidies?

only fools think death tax was a term that did not exist until 20 years ago

Only a much bigger fool would deny that the marching orders were issued two decades ago by Luntz and Faris and some Ivy League attorney named Turtle stood tall, saluted and said "yes master" and began using the neologism as ordered and directed under penalty of losing his True Believer status.

Why would they issue those orders if the term was already widely used?

Turtle seems caught in his own trap.
 
Only a much bigger fool would deny that the marching orders were issued two decades ago by Luntz and Faris and some Ivy League attorney named Turtle stood tall, saluted and said "yes master" and began using the neologism as ordered and directed under penalty of losing his True Believer status.

Why would they issue those orders if the term was already widely used?

Turtle seems caught in his own trap.

when my grandfather died in 69 the attorney handling matters referred to the "death taxes"

you seem to think most people have heard of those two

your love with the death tax is really rather peculiar
 
when my grandfather died in 69 the attorney handling matters referred to the "death taxes"

you seem to think most people have heard of those two

your love with the death tax is really rather peculiar

Now there is verifiable proof that is easy to check. This is so typical of you Turtle. You get yourself boxed into a corner of your own making and try to get out by invoking your family stories which nobody can check on. Its really sad and a sign of woeful desperation that you would resort to such a blatant ruse.
 
Now there is verifiable proof that is easy to check. This is so typical of you Turtle. You get yourself boxed into a corner of your own making and try to get out by invoking your family stories which nobody can check on. Its really sad and a sign of woeful desperation that you would resort to such a blatant ruse.


you can probably prove that Luntz advised the GOP to use death tax

what you cannot prove despite your frantic attempts is that the term death tax was never used prior to luntz suggesting it is a more effective term in demonizing the estate confiscation tax that the dems are so in love with

so all your idiotic claims about me fail-my family (which is an old one when it comes to wealth) have used the term death tax before Luntz was born

your assumptions are the sign of a weak argument
 
Never heard it. I wonder how many have outside of obsessed Obama haters on internet message boards.

First, if you are inferring that I am an 'obsessed Obama hater' you are totally wrong. To be clear, I had intended to vote for McCain because of his greater experience in government-until he chose his running mate. Very disappointing; no way to vote for him after that. Moreover, you and others have referred to me as a conservative. Again, to be clear, over the years, I have worked in campaigns for candidates of all stripes, Dem, Repub and independent. If you're going to label me, probably the best label is centrist or perhaps independent.

Second, the phrase 'tax expenditures' was actually originated by Stanly Surrey in about '67. The reference to the Obama administration concerns a dem operative whose name I can't recall just now, publishing a memo reminding and encouraging the use of the phrase in place of tax deductions in order to avoid using the words 'tax increase.' IIRC, this was around the time of Obama's appearance at Georgetown U when he referred extensively to 'tax expenditures' as a way to increase revenue. He promoted the reduction of 'tax expenditures' as a way of increasing the effective tax rates on upper income tax payers.

Haven't been able to locate that memo from the dem operative, but still looking. If anyone knows of it or finds it before I do, please post it up!
 
you can probably prove that Luntz advised the GOP to use death tax

Already have done so. Many times. Over and over again. That ship has sailed long ago and taken your claims with it.
 
First, if you are inferring that I am an 'obsessed Obama hater' you are totally wrong. To be clear, I had intended to vote for McCain because of his greater experience in government-until he chose his running mate. Very disappointing; no way to vote for him after that. Moreover, you and others have referred to me as a conservative. Again, to be clear, over the years, I have worked in campaigns for candidates of all stripes, Dem, Repub and independent. If you're going to label me, probably the best label is centrist or perhaps independent.

Second, the phrase 'tax expenditures' was actually originated by Stanly Surrey in about '67. The reference to the Obama administration concerns a dem operative whose name I can't recall just now, publishing a memo reminding and encouraging the use of the phrase in place of tax deductions in order to avoid using the words 'tax increase.' IIRC, this was around the time of Obama's appearance at Georgetown U when he referred extensively to 'tax expenditures' as a way to increase revenue. He promoted the reduction of 'tax expenditures' as a way of increasing the effective tax rates on upper income tax payers.

Haven't been able to locate that memo from the dem operative, but still looking. If anyone knows of it or finds it before I do, please post it up!


If I mischaracterized you OR - I am sorry.
 
Already have done so. Many times. Over and over again. That ship has sailed long ago and taken your claims with it.

you labor under the delusion that because one pollster pushed for the use of a term that means that no one else ever used the term prior to his actions

that is both stupid and inaccurate.

and your frantic attempts to establish that I only use the term death tax as some sort of obedience to a guy who is several years younger than I is ludicrous. My family has been victimized by the abomination we call the death tax and oppose this nonsense for reasons that have nothing to do with the pollster you obsess over.
 
No Turtle Dude - or should I call you the proponent of the "inferior blacks" ideology as you stated here on this board? I deal in reality. There is no tax on death and Luntz and Faris gave you your marching orders and you have been in perfect goose step ever since.

Being born with a Golden Diaper on your behind does not impart to you any special status.
 
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