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A bit of interesting history about China, Mao, the US


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Apr 22, 2019
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What's common knowledge about China, Mao, the US history? Well, in 1949, after WWII, Mao took advantage of the government's weakness for a revolution and seized power, which was tyrannical, and that CCP has ruled China ever since, but has become a much bigger 'business economy' after Mao. There was great starvation. That about right?

As I was watching the China youtuber I mentioned recently, I learned a bit more about the history. That Mao actually ordered all Chinese culture and history destroyed - it was all to be replaced by the Communist Party.

Mao went so far as to try to destroy the Chinese language, replacing it IIUC with English, but he only half-succeeded, mostly ending the traditional Chinese alphabet and replacing it with a simpler one. Sorry if this isn't quite right from impressions from someone not that familiar with it.

But to this day, there are many observations about China that come from that history about what's missing in China today - even as the country has found at least for propaganda reasons, that *claiming* things about Chinese history can sometimes serve their purposes, and they've made a habit of forcing minorities to live in rebuilt areas, dressed in 'cultural clothing', and literally dancing for Han Chinese tourists.

Another side note is that Mao, with all that starvation, didn't like sparrows eating crops so he ordered the killing of all sparrows in the country, and again to this day apparently it's rare to see any wild birds in China, though there are a few, especially some migrating from other countries. As often with such authoritarian measures, it backfired, causing lotuses to explode who ate many more crops.

But what triggered this thread is that I was reading a book that mentioned a 1951 speech by state department official Dean Rusk - during the Korean war - talking about the topic of Mao's government being recognized as the government of China, and it rang much more true with the above background. He said, the problem was that Mao's government wasn't even Chinese - 'it doesn't pass the first test'.

Seems like a prescient statement given how Mao went on to try to destroy China's culture and history to replace it with the party - something we see from authoritarians sometimes, like the Taliban blowing up ancient statues because they're someone else's culture.

This seems popular for authoritarians to try to gain more control over people. We all remember the old Soviet practice of erasing people from photographs... on a smaller scale, Republicans removed or reduced Jefferson from school textbooks because they didn't like his religious views, and they'd point out how Democrats want to remove statues of confederate figures.

It was also interesting to see the dynamics of how issues like this had effects - that speech, Mao felt showed the US was dedicated to pushing a civil war to remove his government as soon as the Korean war ended, so it was said the speech removed any interest Mao would have in peace talks to end that war. Interesting history - that even has some relevance still.

Some of these issues have similarities from then to now - for example, there are some real resemblances between the USSR rolling tanks into Czechoslovakia in 1968, and Putin's attack on Ukraine - Ukraine much worse - and how the US felt it could and couldn't respond; and unintended consequences, like how that history had a strong influence on Czechoslovakia later joining NATO, as they're now arming Ukraine.

We didn't realize just how much some of that history wasn't as much in the past as we thought, until Putin's war - and the same but even bigger is on the horizon with China. When we fought to a stalemate with China in the Korean war, imagine the changes with coming conflicts with their growth in power.
We didn't realize just how much some of that history wasn't as much in the past as we thought, until Putin's war - and the same but even bigger is on the horizon with China. When we fought to a stalemate with China in the Korean war, imagine the changes with coming conflicts with their growth in power.

Interesting. The problem, however, is that the two countries, the US and China, are today so much more economically interdependent. That changes the calculus. That would make a serious conflict between the two absolutely devastating for both countries- but perhaps much more to China than the US.
A few other things about China. Today....if you're interested.

According to the latest statistics from the Shanghai government, the average monthly wage in 2018, after deducting tax and social welfare contributions, was 7,200 yuan ($1,047).

Finding affordable accommodation is not easy in Shanghai. Some low-skilled jobs in places like restaurants, spas and construction sites often provide room and board for workers.

It is common for white collar workers from Shanghai to live with their parents until they get married and have their own property. The rest of the people must rent.
According to the Chinese investment bank Guotai Junan Securities, the average monthly rent per person in Shanghai in June was 2831 yuan ($412).

A room in a four-bedroom apartment for $270 a month. The only way to find an affordable place to rent in Shanghai is to share accommodation. “The rent may increase 8% to 12% the following year,” said realtor Deng Lulu. However, the rent has sometimes gone up higher than 30% in that price bracket.

The distance from the apartment to the Marketplace office is almost 9 miles, further than the average commute for city workers of 7.7 miles, according to a 2018 report by data aggregation company Jiguang.

A car is still a luxury item for most families in China.

“In Shanghai, the average age people get their first car is 28 years old, usually after they’ve worked for a few years,” said Min Zhihao, a sales director at Car King, one of the city’s biggest sellers of used cars.

Their vehicles range from 170,000 yuan ($25,000) to 200,000 yuan ($29,000) — more double the average annual salary.

However, even if after qualifying for a loan, Min said the car registration is more expensive than the vehicle, at 90,000 yuan ($13,000).

According to local media, 9,000 license plates were released in March. That’s not a lot in a city of 24.2 million people.

“I had a friend bid for four years in a row before he got a car registration,” Min said.

A car space further out from the city center would still cost between $58,000 and $72,700.

Looks like we’ll stick to the subway and bus system, a 50-minute commute to the Marketplace office.

Public transportation in Shanghai is clean, efficient and will cost us only a dollar a day to get to and from work.

Fruit prices in China are..insane.

Not everyone has time to shop for groceries and cook. On average, people in China work 12 hours more than their counterparts in the U.S. and a six-day work week is normal for Chinese workers. As a result, they eat out a lot.

Meals you can get for 20 yuan ($2.90) or less in Shanghai’s commercial district. $2.90 is close to the minimum wage

For that price, you often cannot have a drink at restaurants with your meal.

Cellphone bill: 100 yuan (Dirt cheap)
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