- Feb 12, 2005
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Rep. Duprey was on the O'Reilly Factor tonight -- you can catch the replay at 11 pm est.
Because some states have enacted fetal-murder laws which are independent of regular murder laws:skabanger13 said:if a pregnant woman is murdered and thay catch the killer what will he be charged with? answer, 2 counts of capitol murder. what how could that be?
shuamort said:Because some states have enacted fetal-murder laws which are independent of regular murder laws:
These states have fetal homicide laws where fetuses are victims at any stage of development:
To clarify your clarification, first term abortion is legal everywhere in the USA. After the first term is contingent on individual state laws.26 X World Champs said:Just to clarify...abortion is LEGAL everywhere in the USA, no exceptions....and it will most definitely stay that way....guaranteed
shuamort said:To clarify your clarification, first term abortion is legal everywhere in the USA. After the first term is contingent on individual state laws.
26 X World Champs said:Agreed!
I do not want to come across harshly. I just think that when the Supreme Court makes a ruling it is legitimate until they change it or an ammendment to the Constitution is passed.
Calling a legal abortion murder is not a fact.
The definition of murder is:
To kill (another human) unlawfully.
One fan argue that they believe that abortion is wrong, unethical, against their personal beliefs, but it is not murder. It is a legal medical procedure that is paid for by health insurers nationwide.
DontForgetMe said:Its a Womens Right To Choose End of story
ShamMol said:Not only is it a legal procedure, but it is not killing another human being. A humna being comes into existence when it can CONSCIOUSLY think for itself (which usually comes between 6-7 months). Then there is the issue of viability outside of the womb. Long story short, there are so many definitions of when a human is a human that this issue won't be resolved until the Supreme Court decides when Human life really begins, because we can go around and around all day and not convince each other when it starts.
-jess- said:Shammol, I completely disagree on the thought that it is not a living being. How can you say that when, if the baby had been given a chance and gone through the complete life cycle of pregnancy, before being so cruelly terminated. It had no chance at life which is a very sacred human right in my book. Who's knows what that baby could have became if it had been given its chance at life.
ShamMol said:Yeah! Someone criticized me, let me respond hastily!
The point is not whether the fetus will turn out to be president or a bum, not whether the termination is cruel or nice. It is whether it is legal or not. And it is legal under the woman's right to be secure in her own body (which draws from so many amendments that it is mind-boggling...have to memorize it for my test tomorrow). That right is what at issue, not whether the fetus will have a chance to live and breath air. And what else is at issue is when a fruts is considered a human being. I am not going to try to convince that I am right because most people's view on when a fetus is human is so ingrained that it is idiotic to try (just recapping, my posistion is six months when it can conciously think for itself...).
A suggestion, as I have been talking to you, try not to use emotion as the basis for an argument, it is always better to have facts, straight up facts taht are not personal supporting your beliefs...just a suggestion for the future jess.
The correct advice is, of course, to never discuss abortion on the basis of emotion, or for that matter, religion. Abortion should only be discussed on the basis of scientific, medical, genetic, or obstetric fact.-jess- said:Advise well taken, thanks, Will keep it in mind for the future.
Yet, even though it is not legally determined that It cant think till the 6 months, ummm... I actually can't come up with an argument for that well, I'll keep your advise in mind as I go try to win a debate... lol