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911 a inside job

GarzaUK said:
I'm not into conspiracy theories much at all, I guess people like a bit of mystery. I looked through these videos and while most of the points they made I dismissed, the pentagon crash really confuses me (I'm in university studying to be an engineer zzz)

For example the picture below.
dea-77.jpg


At first I thought well, it must have came in a steep angle and landed on top of the pentagon. However the roof remained intact for a while then collasped.
The video camera shows (only one angle, the rest of the cameras on the most secure building in the world seemed to have took a break, they have cameras on the roof every 120ft roughly) that the plane (although they DOD have cut out the plane) hit at 90 degree angle.
At 600mph the wings would have done damage to the building, not just the hull of the aircraft.

Another question.
leftdamage.jpg


Why the hell are those spools are the gone still there near the site? The jet engine alone would have sent those spools flying, let alone the blast.

Jet Blast
http://www.letsroll911.net/images/simulation.mpeg

Why will pentagon not release a frame actually showing an airplane crashing into the pentagon?

Just posing questions, I'm not a conspriracy theorist. If someone would like to explain how I am wrong, I'll listen.

Just one more thing, buildings do not just eat aircraft up. A similar thing happened to a hotel in Europe, plane debris everywhere.


Go to the snopes website I linked to above.

The wings almost definately folded into the plane when it hit. In fact, if you look at the very picture your provided, on the left hand side there is what looks like a line of damage along the base consistent with a wing impact.

And about the spools, WHO KNOWS? Crazier **** happens every single day.

Think about this: If the government went to all the effort to:

1) Plant explosives in the WTC
2) Organize the massive NWO to create an alternate reality
3) Switch out all 4 of the planes with other planes like some claim,
4) Fake all of the cellphone calls from the passengers to their families
5) etc etc

THEN WHY WOULDNT THEY PUT IN THE LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA EFFORT TO CRASH AN EXTRA PLANE INTO THE PENTAGON?

You think they'd put in alllllll that effort then half ass the last little bit?

No.
 
biblemark1018 said:
think of it if they shut it down they make it seen. no they let it go because as long as they hold the main stream media then things is ok but did you look at the video where teh owner of the towers says that he gave the order to pull building 7 now wait a minite it take weeks to pull a building how did they get the bombs in there to pull it
http://fyleserva.com/video/911/alex_analysis_wtc7.WMV

here is if you dont wanna watch the whole alex thing it goes right to him saying pull it but they said it fell
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/../../Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. If that's the best evidence you have....

And if you want people to take you seriously, try to type in a way that doesnt make you sound 14.
 
If you go to the website it will show you the answers to your questions. So you "Anti-American" Hypocrites can stop complaining how our OWN Government, would plot an attack against us.

http://snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Anyone that believes our government plotted against us on 911, needs to be put in an insane asylum. Since its obvious that the idiot that posted this mainly did it as a direct attack against the Bush administration.
 
Oh spare me the juvenile, partisan conspiracy theories. Anyone who posts any childish, unsubstanted hysterics like this loses all credibility in the adult world. :roll:

Watch it on a DVD, it must be gospel!

People like this are how obscenely dishonest propagandists like Michael Moore stay in business.

Liberals always side against America and with Islamic psychos. You can find left-wing hysterics like this claiming everything is a Jewish conspiracy all the way back to the "objective" New York Times articles in WWII.

Sure, Israel benefits from America standing up for itself against those who do nothing but roll around in the dirt, eat camels, and slaughter infedels. But by your logic ('if you stand to gain anything from any part of anything that's happening, then whatever is happening must be happening because you are conspiring to make them happen that way.') Drug dealers must have been in on it too, because the war on terror diverted a lot of resources
from the war on drugs.

try logic.
 
aquapub said:
Liberals always side against America and with Islamic psychos. You can find left-wing hysterics like this claiming everything is a Jewish conspiracy all the way back to the "objective" New York Times articles in WWII.

This is one of the most pathetic and digusting statements that I have ever seen in this kind of forum.
It goes without saying that it is a calculated lie.
This statement is steeped in contempt and can not possibly be true. It is depraved and degenerate.
There is no room for you in civil discourse.
 
First, aquapub, I completely agree with Myshkin regarding you.

Second, I completely agree with NYU about all of this. Now, I'm no fan of Bush, and doubtless he could have done more in his 8 months of office to prevent such an attack, but to believe that our government managed to stage such an event as 9/11 is simply retarded. The whole thing was done by mostly Saudis, and so you fools actually believe that Bush has some oil buddies commit 9/11, which in turn has caused great criticism of Saudi Arabia in the USA? That doesn't add up. Nor does going to Iraq if it was a conspiracy. So Bush used 9/11, and some Saudi hijackers, so he could attack Iraq, and see his administration criticized, his popularity drop? Not likely. If it really was a conspiracy, we'd have seen Osama pop his ugly head on the White House lawn sometime around November 2. None of this conspiracy stuff adds up, and all it does is make the left look foolish.
 
Squawker said:
We know what cut, paste and spin can do to a story. That's a whole lot of people who would have to be in agreement over a long period of time. Ain't neva gonna happen. There are some people who believe we didn't walk on the moon. :roll:

I'm inclined to agree with you about so many people keeping a lid on this but I never rule this stuff out completely.

I think it is more likely than not that because this Adm came into office with a plan that they did not think the American People would swallow so they ignored the threat until an attack would help make their case.

I don't suggest that they necessarily new that it would be as bad as it was only that they ignored the threat.

I am not aware of anything that they did for their first 9 months. Except give it to Cheney to work on along with the Energy Task Force.

The Clinton Adm efforts were pathetically inadequate but all effort stopped with the Bush Adm.

The only answer to that has been. Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton.

I'll take these links. they'll go in the pile but the weather is improving, it might be winter before I get to them.
 
anomaly said:
First, aquapub, I completely agree with Myshkin regarding you.

Second, I completely agree with NYU about all of this. Now, I'm no fan of Bush, and doubtless he could have done more in his 8 months of office to prevent such an attack, but to believe that our government managed to stage such an event as 9/11 is simply retarded. The whole thing was done by mostly Saudis, and so you fools actually believe that Bush has some oil buddies commit 9/11, which in turn has caused great criticism of Saudi Arabia in the USA? That doesn't add up. Nor does going to Iraq if it was a conspiracy. So Bush used 9/11, and some Saudi hijackers, so he could attack Iraq, and see his administration criticized, his popularity drop? Not likely. If it really was a conspiracy, we'd have seen Osama pop his ugly head on the White House lawn sometime around November 2. None of this conspiracy stuff adds up, and all it does is make the left look foolish.

This may sound really stupid but how do we know it was done by Saudis or by bin Laden?

I never followed that part very closely. I know that some of the alleged perps were reported to be alive and doing well. Is all of the proof from the same cast of characters that gave us the wmd?
 
you act as if they did not sit back and watch pearl harbor
and about my spelling is that the best you can do what dose that have to do with the video it takes weeks to pull a building explain that how did they get the bombs in.
exoplain that and stop putting dumb sites like snopes see you know like i do they will never bring this up on cnn or fox why because they know what will happen the cats out the bag dont get clawed
 
biblemark1018 said:
you act as if they did not sit back and watch pearl harbor
and about my spelling is that the best you can do what dose that have to do with the video it takes weeks to pull a building explain that how did they get the bombs in.
exoplain that and stop putting dumb sites like snopes see you know like i do they will never bring this up on cnn or fox why because they know what will happen the cats out the bag dont get clawed

Well, dang.

I was going to respond, but you just floored me with your rhetoric.
:roll:

Did we sit back and watch pearl harbor? Evidence?

And I have no idea, nor any real desire to find out what you're babbling about when it comes to most of your claims.

I'm sorry for posting a "stupid site" like snopes, I should have cited something better like http://physics911.net/ or http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/

You know they reason they don't bring this up on CNN or Fox? Because even with journalistic standards as low as they are now, this crap isn't worthy of anyones time.
 
your a lier a poll shows that 90% of new yorkers feel bush was behind 911
even the rap world is following the same
rapper vs new world order
bin laden the musical http://www.911truthla.org/audio/bin...reenlantern.mp3
bin laden remix musical
http://www.bringthenoize.com/immort...laden_remix.mp3
the video
http://www.pueblotuspod.com/downloa...auseofdeath.wmv
many are asking questions and getting no answers i will not reply to you again tinmen waste of time for you who read you have the links on the first page think for your self
 
biblemark1018 said:
...a poll shows that 90% of new yorkers feel bush was behind 911
WOW!
I'd really love to see this poll. Is there any way you could post a link to it?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
WOW!
I'd really love to see this poll. Is there any way you could post a link to it?

Well 92.3% of folks who cite polls with stats like this are completely done so without merit.
 
RightatNYU said:
Well, dang.

I was going to respond, but you just floored me with your rhetoric.
:roll:

Did we sit back and watch pearl harbor? Evidence?

And I have no idea, nor any real desire to find out what you're babbling about when it comes to most of your claims.

I'm sorry for posting a "stupid site" like snopes, I should have cited something better like http://physics911.net/ or http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/

You know they reason they don't bring this up on CNN or Fox? Because even with journalistic standards as low as they are now, this crap isn't worthy of anyones time.

Well said.
 
biblemark1018 said:
your a lier a poll shows that 90% of new yorkers feel bush was behind 911
even the rap world is following the same
rapper vs new world order
bin laden the musical http://www.911truthla.org/audio/bin...reenlantern.mp3
bin laden remix musical
http://www.bringthenoize.com/immort...laden_remix.mp3
the video
http://www.pueblotuspod.com/downloa...auseofdeath.wmv
many are asking questions and getting no answers i will not reply to you again tinmen waste of time for you who read you have the links on the first page think for your self

Wow, you really are a moron. Not misguided, not confused, not even foolish, but a moron.

Well if a rapper sez it's so, then it must be.

And out of the maybe 1000 New Yorkers I've come in contact with, I can confidently say that maybe 2 thought Bush was behind 9/11. And they were both homeless and screaming.

Maybe the reason that "many aren't getting any answers" is that the answers are getting drowned out by the voices in their heads....
 
seen it on cnn about 2 week or maybe more it was talking about the poll and then they did there own and got close to the same number
also some where on this site
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
is the zogby one from months ago where it was at 50%
 
biblemark1018 said:
...a poll shows that 90% of new yorkers feel bush was behind 911
biblemark1018 said:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
is the zogby one from months ago where it was at 50%

"Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11?"* "bush was behind 911"
* "This QuickVote is not scientific and reflects the opinions of only those Internet users who have chosen to participate. The results cannot be assumed to represent the opinions of Internet users in general, nor the public as a whole."
So not only was this not limited to New Yorkers, it's not indicative of anything but the opinions of those who happened to answer the poll. Furthermore, the question isn't about whether or not Bush or the USG "were behind" the 9-11 attacks.
Maybe you meant to refer to some other poll that says what you say it says?

"41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act,"" "90% of new yorkers feel bush was behind 911"

This one isn't about whether or not Bush or the USG "were behind" the 9-11 attacks either.

I'm open to persuasion. All you have to do is to make a persuasive case. What you've done could easily be errantly misconstrued as a misuse of data in ways that might make a politician blush. This isn't going to convince me of anything except that I should doubt you have much of a case to make. Although this has no bearing upon whatever else there is to your case, it does color my perceptions of it before you even present it.

You may be able to make a stronger, more credible case if you left out all hyperboles.
 
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RightatNYU said:
I've seen all these videos, or other stale derivations thereof, and there is no factual basis to support any of their claims. Sure, there are unanswered questions, but every important event in our nations history has the same.

It hurts my faith in the intelligence of Americans to see people believing this bullshit. I thought we'd moved beyond the days of PT Barnum.

You're right, governments cannot always be trusted. Neither can an anonymous idiot on an internet messageboard with half cooked theories that defy all logic and common sense.
Look, I'll say this: my father is a structual engineer. He is also a Bush supporter and no where near a conspiracy theorist. But when he watched the towers go down, he said "it's really strange that the towers went down the way they did." I'm not saying these things are true. But they are presenting good evidence. My point is this: if someone presents you an incredibly good argument, even if it is conspiracy, why then dissmiss it based on the faith you have that the government would never do soemthing like this. It's a hard call when evidence is conflicting. Plato would have us suspend judgment if neither side could be proven wrong. But you call anyone who even considers the possibility that it would be something other than what the government says it was an idiot? I thought the very point of logic was to weigh all possibilities equally, and decide which to accept or reject, as opposed to just rejecting them solely based on the fact that they go against the government.
 
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sebastiansdreams said:
Look, I'll say this: my father is a structual engineer. He is also a Bush supporter and no where near a conspiracy theorist. But when he watched the towers go down, he said "it's really strange that the towers went down the way they did." I'm not saying these things are true. But they are presenting good evidence. My point is this: if someone presents you an incredibly good argument, even if it is conspiracy, why then dissmiss it based on the faith you have that the government would never do soemthing like this. It's a hard call when evidence is conflicting. Plato would have us suspend judgment if neither side could be proven wrong. But you call anyone who even considers the possibility that it would be something other than what the government says it was an idiot? I thought the very point of logic was to weigh all possibilities equally, and decide which to accept or reject, as opposed to just rejecting them solely based on the fact that they go against the government.

I really couldn't give a rats ass what your father thinks. You don't think that millions of people thought abuot what happened? If it was so impossible for what happened to happen, things would be a bit different.

Know what is even more strange than the buildings coming down? Two big ass jets hitting them at 560 mph.

I'm not disbelieveing simply because I "don't think the government would do something wrong," but rather because it's simply IMPOSSIBLE that they intentionally did what they did. How on earth would they sneak enough explosives into a building to take it down without annnnnyone noticing? How would they formulate such a massive plan without any one of the thousands of people who would be involved in the planning getting cold feet? How would they ensure that things happened the way they did?

I've weighed all possibilities, and the possibilities of anything else happening aren't worth my time.
 
nyu you forget the towers had a cia office in it
the bombs could have been placed in the building over years or even from the building of the towers. this was not a new plan.
cold feet they could have use the hijackers to hijack the plane then told them they was going to land it safely but having them on board they could have taken control from the ground as stanly hilton said they did
http://www.rense.com/general57/aale.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/images/september2004/120904wtc1.jpg
you can right click to down load
the fire fighters who died in 911 just before the bombs went off call and said they found bombs and what about the seismic record
http://www.911timeline.net/seismic-wave-24.gif
by the next time you go to one of the clubs on and near west forth street your pledge buddies will be talking about it dont be a coward embrace truth
 
biblemark1018 said:
nyu you forget the towers had a cia office in it
the bombs could have been placed in the building over years or even from the building of the towers. this was not a new plan.
cold feet they could have use the hijackers to hijack the plane then told them they was going to land it safely but having them on board they could have taken control from the ground as stanly hilton said they did
http://www.rense.com/general57/aale.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/images/september2004/120904wtc1.jpg
you can right click to down load
the fire fighters who died in 911 just before the bombs went off call and said they found bombs and what about the seismic record
http://www.911timeline.net/seismic-wave-24.gif
by the next time you go to one of the clubs on and near west forth street your pledge buddies will be talking about it dont be a coward embrace truth

You're right, it could have happened, and none of the thousands of people who would have been involved would have EVER told anyone. The odds of that are really high.
 
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