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It's not a question of that at all, as I said. The criteria aren't matched case-to-case. That's why, for you, I 'haven't explained'.

And besides, it's hard to take that question seriously when I have this picture in my mind of someone trying to tower above me saying 'answer me, you will answer'!

So, what, your explanation is that gay people don't have the same rights as you because they're a different sort of people and therefore don't necessarily have to have the same rights as you? Help me out here, I'm confused.
 
A sexual deviance or perversion is a different marker of identity than being black or Asian, people not usually considered freaks of nature.

For a start, they can reproduce.

Good thing for me gays can reproduce or I would not be here.

Being gay is neither a sexual deviance nor a perversion. In fact a person's orientation generally emerges in early adolescence. It simply identifies what type of person some one is attracted to basically.

I know, appeals to emotion are much easier than rational discussion, but I prefer to talk about actual reality and facts that can be documented(see my post above).
 
Good thing for me gays can reproduce or I would not be here.

Being gay is neither a sexual deviance nor a perversion. In fact a person's orientation generally emerges in early adolescence. It simply identifies what type of person some one is attracted to basically.

I know, appeals to emotion are much easier than rational discussion, but I prefer to talk about actual reality and facts that can be documented(see my post above).

Thats the problem Reddress....you cannot talk rationally with people who are blinded by bigotry and hatred.
 
Until people stop spouting this hate about perversion, this cannot be an honest debate. And yes, oh moral crusaders, when you say that another person is a deviant, you're hating on them. I'm hating on you when I call you a bigot or say that you're insane for spending your time worrying about a spooky father figure up the sky. But I'll own up to that, and I will, despite the hate, not try to turn you into a second class citizen. Such a shame that your morality doesn't allow you extend that same courtesy to me.

You can't hide behind semantics. If you claim that another person's sexuality, be it a product of their life experiences or their genetics, makes them inferior, you are a bigot and you need to stop. That's the definition of the word. Bigotry is un-American. It runs counter to the ideals upon which this country is founded. If you really claim the moral high ground, you should start walking the walk.
 
You are in fact confusing gay activity(sex with a person of the same sex) with being gay(enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction toward others of the same sex). You can change behavior, but there is no real evidence you can change your orientation.

Sexual orientation, homosexuality and bisexuality

And of course if they further doubt it they can attempt to begin to refute the mountain of evidence that supports the claim. They could begin with the things in post 331 in this thread

http://www.debatepolitics.com/law-a...-between-man-and-woman-34.html#post1059115323
 
.........blinded by bigotry and hatred.

'All of the other reindeer used to laugh and call him names'.



So they can't go on about what they do in the army. (Though in the navy here the straights are FORCED to listen and 'roleplay'.) But on civvy street it's one big carnival for them.

I have no idea if these links will get me banned (enough said!!!!) but Google 'c-------g and c----ng' for celebrations and government advice for having outdoor gay sex, history's re-written here telling kids Florence Nightingale was a lesbian whilst Nelson was a screamer; there's gay arts, gay sports, gay the lot.

They're either to be put on a pedestal or to be treated just like anyone else. The 'professional' gays and politicians can't have it both ways!
 
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'They're either to be put on a pedestal or to be treated just like anyone else. The 'professional' gays and politicians can't have it both ways!

If you have a problem with public indecency, then complain about public indecency. That has nothing to do with homosexuality. Every group of people has members who act indecent; gay, straight, white, black, male, female, young, old, etc. Trying to argue that all gays are looking for special treatment because some members of the community act in a publicly indecent manner, is ridiculous.
 
'All of the other reindeer used to laugh and call him names'.



So they can't go on about what they do in the army. (Though in the navy here the straights are FORCED to listen and 'roleplay'.) But on civvy street it's one big carnival for them.

I have no idea if these links will get me banned (enough said!!!!) but Google 'c-------g and c----ng' for celebrations and government advice for having outdoor gay sex, history's re-written here telling kids Florence Nightingale was a lesbian whilst Nelson was a screamer; there's gay arts, gay sports, gay the lot.

They're either to be put on a pedestal or to be treated just like anyone else. The 'professional' gays and politicians can't have it both ways!

Who is asking to be put on a pedestal? All that we are asking is that the bigots of the world not be allowed to force others to live within their closed-minded views.
People can be as bigoted and hateful as they choose to be, but they have no right to require others to live by their beliefs.
 
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Liberalism is an amoral mindset complete with secular and perverse ideals. To those who differ on this: explain why it is that it is liberals who consistently hate on Christianity, defend socialism and communism, believe good and evil to be subjective, seek to destroy the nuclear family, and time and again seek to pervade society so much so that even now in this very forum incest has been defended by them.

Time and again liberals defend the brutes and vagabonds throughout time; Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Che, etc. Not all liberals do so, but it is always liberals who do so. Godless, amoral, secular, perverse, lazy, dependent on the government, haters of normallity, defenders of the perverse. If you think to refute this post, do try.
 
Indeed. Whether my opinions be 'hateful', 'bigoted', 'xenophobic' or any of the other playground names, the fact I'm in no position to do anything about the question in hand is of no consequence.

Indeed, 'because of your bigotry you don't have the right' to change anything reveals more about liberal intolerance than my own.
 
Well that closes down the lion's share of modern 'liberal' mindsets then!

The only people who aren't 'bigots' are the ones diagnosed with something: New Study Finds A Brain That Can't Do Bigotry | Mind Matters | Big Think


On that logic, nobody should rule the place but Liberals (because they're pure) and Dustin Hoffman out of Rain Man!

How come whenever a conservative says "on that logic" or something similar, the next thing they say is ridiculous?
 
How come whenever a conservative says "on that logic" or something similar, the next thing they say is ridiculous?

Because Liberal logic is ridiculous??
 
How come whenever a conservative says "on that logic" or something similar, the next thing they say is ridiculous?

When I hear liberals who state: "don't have children to save the planet," and hear a plethora more like stories, I can begin to see the big picture. In your search for very specific details, you remain unable to grasp the larger picture.
 
How come whenever a conservative says "on that logic" or something similar, the next thing they say is ridiculous?

Or am I mistaken? Did you mean Bill Maher or Keith Olbermann?
 
How come whenever a conservative says "on that logic" or something similar, the next thing they say is ridiculous?

Because it's usually working to the mindset of a liberal during a debate.
 
Indeed. Whether my opinions be 'hateful', 'bigoted', 'xenophobic' or any of the other playground names, the fact I'm in no position to do anything about the question in hand is of no consequence.

Indeed, 'because of your bigotry you don't have the right' to change anything reveals more about liberal intolerance than my own.

You have the absolute right to change anything that involves you personally.....what you fail to grasp is that right does not extend the right to you to change things about other individuals which you have absolutely no righ to do at all. That is what is revealed about your intolerance.
 
You have the absolute right to change anything that involves you personally.....what you fail to grasp is that right does not extend the right to you to change things about other individuals which you have absolutely no righ to do at all. That is what is revealed about your intolerance.

And YOU get to do those things while those of the other side don't?

It all makes perfect sense now.
 
And YOU get to do those things while those of the other side don't?

It all makes perfect sense now.

Not at all. Please show me anywhere where I have said that a person isn't free to practice anything that they want as long as it affects them and no one else.

Thats what the bigots of the world fail to understand.
 
The encroachment of perverse sin affects me and my family. Such is what you don't understand. Because I wish to change the world to my beliefs legally, you would prove yourself a hypocrite by telling me I can't yet you can.

You also throw the term "bigot" around a lot. Is it gratifying? Does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Do show me the full repertoire of your collection of ignorant slanders.
 
You have the absolute right to change anything that involves you personally.....what you fail to grasp is that right does not extend the right to you to change things about other individuals which you have absolutely no righ to do at all. That is what is revealed about your intolerance.

Take it up with the Muslims....

"Pervert travels in the Muslim world" - does "gay" equal "shazz?" | Menassat

On top of that, when authorities decide to give me free contraceptives for nocturnal public sex, or allow me to parade the streets in my underwear for 'pride', then we'll talk about who can and can't think about what!



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And, as I say, I'm in no position to impose my will on anyone. I've said that before but your kind take more of an interest in calling me names and imposing your own standards on everyone else:

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The encroachment of perverse sin affects me and my family. Such is what you don't understand. Because I wish to change the world to my beliefs legally, you would prove yourself a hypocrite by telling me I can't yet you can.

You also throw the term "bigot" around a lot. Is it gratifying? Does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Do show me the full repertoire of your collection of ignorant slanders.

Just shows how short-sighted you are and how arrogant you are to believe that you have the right to delve into others personal lives so that you can live in the world that you want to live in.....sorry....but you have no right to dictate to others how they live their lives.

There is nothing hypocritical in what I say....I allow you the full right to believe anything you want....to choose to be loving or hateful, to be accepting or bigoted....that is your choice and you are free to live with it, I allow you the freedom to do so because I understand that American values allow us that freedom.
As for you last point....I don't throw around any terms to simply throw them around.....it is what it is.....

A Bigot is a person who believes that they are entitled to certain rights as a matter of course and deny those same rights to others that THEY do not deem worthy.
A Bigot is a person who believes that they have the right to dictate to another how that individual lives his/her personal life.
A Bigot believes that everyone is entitled to THEIR opinion.

Now.....who's who and where does the "label" truthfully lie?
 
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Well, they think it works on me.

Sick, nauseous, xenophobic... I've heard it all.
 
The encroachment of perverse sin affects me and my family. Such is what you don't understand. Because I wish to change the world to my beliefs legally, you would prove yourself a hypocrite by telling me I can't yet you can.

You also throw the term "bigot" around a lot. Is it gratifying? Does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Do show me the full repertoire of your collection of ignorant slanders.

What one determines sinful is totally subjective, and has no bearing on laws. Also allowing people to live their lives, and to give them equal rights under the law in no way harms your family. Stop pretending that it does.
 
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