70% of Americans Supported Saddam Death. (1 Viewer)

[PoliticalActivist]

According to ABC Nightline 70% of Americans agreed to Saddam's death sentence. Yet here in America whenever the Death penalty is on the ballot
it gets turned down. To me that's being two faced about the situation, and it also shows how Americans is divided. I disagree with having a three strike killer lounging in prison wasting tax payers dollors. My final statement on this post is most will always be against the death penalty until it hits home.

 

[jfuh]

According to ABC Nightline 70% of Americans agreed to Saddam's death sentence. Yet here in America whenever the Death penalty is on the ballot
it gets turned down. To me that's being two faced about the situation, and it also shows how Americans is divided. I disagree with having a three strike killer lounging in prison wasting tax payers dollors. My final statement on this post is most will always be against the death penalty until it hits home.

I don't support the death penalty because of the uselessness of it and the very fact that it is not justice served.
Also because of the countless wrong convictions that are associated with many in our legal system.
The whole death penalty is simply a means of getting votes to seem "tough" on crime to an ignorant public of the studies. The studies show that the death penalty does not in anyways prevent crimes, nor does being "tough on crime" work either. All it does is simply hide the problem from sight by sweeping it under the rug. If the recent surges in crime are any indication it's that the "tough on crime" doesn't work.
You can not get rid of weeds if you do not kill the roots and the root problem our society faces is not from light sentencing it's ignoring the problems and blaming the responsibility on others without looking within ourselves at our own self contradictions.
Some criminals are beyond help - no question about it. However many young criminals that are "tried as adults", for the love of god, these kids need mentoring not lock up and throw away the key, they hardly know any better and when they finally do get out they are filled with rage and anguish for having their lives destroyed without any provision of what or where to go from there on.
Our prison system is a reflection of our failures of our nation and a disgrace of us as citizens to look for responsibility towards our society and communities.

As for saddam's death - so what has it accomplished? nothing.

 

[Billo_Really]

I heard it's pretty good, but no one knows where to get any.

Oh, did you say death?

 

[aps]

The only reason I don't support the death penalty is because it costs the taxpayers more money to put someone to death than to keep them in jail for the rest of their life.

 

[Apostle13]

The only reason I don't support the death penalty is because it costs the taxpayers more money to put someone to death than to keep them in jail for the rest of their life.

This is true? I would've guessed opposite... What because of legal fees on appeals?

 

[aps]

This is true? I would've guessed opposite... What because of legal fees on appeals?

Yup--it's the cost of all the appeals the prisoner has prior to being executed. Now, this would not apply to Timothy McVeigh since he did not appeal his death sentence.

I was surprised when I first learned this. It is definitely true in Texas. I am not sure if it's true in other death-penalty states. I had an argument with someone on here who posted information that refuted my belief that it costs more to put someone to death, but I remember thinking that I stood by my assertion.

 

[Skip]

It's also true in California, and I'm assuming it's just a general fact of the death penalty in America.

 

[Monk-Eye]

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I don't support the death penalty because of the uselessness of it and the very fact that it is not justice served.
Also because of the countless wrong convictions that are associated with many in our legal system.
The whole death penalty is simply a means of getting votes to seem "tough" on crime to an ignorant public of the studies. The studies show that the death penalty does not in anyways prevent crimes, nor does being "tough on crime" work either. All it does is simply hide the problem from sight by sweeping it under the rug. If the recent surges in crime are any indication it's that the "tough on crime" doesn't work.
You can not get rid of weeds if you do not kill the roots and the root problem our society faces is not from light sentencing it's ignoring the problems and blaming the responsibility on others without looking within ourselves at our own self contradictions.
Some criminals are beyond help - no question about it. However many young criminals that are "tried as adults", for the love of god, these kids need mentoring not lock up and throw away the key, they hardly know any better and when they finally do get out they are filled with rage and anguish for having their lives destroyed without any provision of what or where to go from there on.
Our prison system is a reflection of our failures of our nation and a disgrace of us as citizens to look for responsibility towards our society and communities.

As for saddam's death - so what has it accomplished? nothing.

One can agree that the death penalty is not necessarily about preventing crimes.
Extinction of life is extant between beings.
A petition of requite, is equal rendering.

Recent surges indicate that "get tough" does not work?
Ask someone that has lived under strict government scrutiny?
Advocatedly, a degree of loss must be accepted for the condition of learning and change.
One has to love that second amendment, as final autonomy rests with the individual.
Certainly it is said; indications of success by a society are related through its poorest citizens, whether in spirit or health.

How does that change justice? Justice is a model of principle, and principles are subjective; naming outcomes as either correct or incorrect is an indicator.
The outcomes are graded and instituted as a formality of laws.

Understanding that the quality of life exists through living, it is often said, the best revenge is living well.
How can living well be equalled for the dead?
In the law of requite, death may be due.

Freedom is eternal survival.
Justice may be temporal survival over another.
The institution of law decides exoneration.
At the murder, the murderer is the institution of law exonerating itself.
At the trial, the murderer seeks exoneration from the institution of law; however, it is also true that the institution seeks to exonerate itself.
Ultimately, it is the story of little fish and big fish; there are no rules or, there is only rule.

Unlawful agression is the libertarian foe.
The libertarian utopia exists without unlawful agression.
Libertarian freedom is lawful agression - victimless crimes.

 

[Kandahar]

My final statement on this post is most will always be against the death penalty until it hits home.

That's why we don't let family members of the victims serve as the judge or jury. These people don't have any privileged point of view on the death penalty; if anything, their emotions are clouding their reason and their view is LESS valid than the average person.

 

[Caine]

I supported Saddams killin'
I support the Killin' of crookz and criminalz in my state (The GREAT state of North Carolina )

And I think we should install an "express lane" for those who are convicted of certain offenses, or when the evidence is overbearing.

Also, I think all murders where a Police Officer/Fire Fighter/Emergency Medical Technician is the victim, if convicted, should be an automatic Death Sentence... No Life allowed

 

[Kandahar]

Also, I think all murders where a Police Officer/Fire Fighter/Emergency Medical Technician is the victim, if convicted, should be an automatic Death Sentence... No Life allowed

Mandatory minimums don't allow for any mitigating circumstance; a mandatory death penalty would be worst of all. Part of the reason that we have judges is to have someone who carefully weighs the merits of an individual case before doling out punishment. A blanket law written by congressmen is too brute of a force for ANY individual case, especially a capital crime.

 

[Caine]

Mandatory minimums don't allow for any mitigating circumstance; a mandatory death penalty would be worst of all. Part of the reason that we have judges is to have someone who carefully weighs the merits of an individual case before doling out punishment. A blanket law written by congressmen is too brute of a force for ANY individual case, especially a capital crime.

Legaleese... Legaleese....

I'm just saying that I would support a law that sentences someone to die a painful death for killing those who get paid very little to do the REAL work that serves the community in a way that the community actually feels the impact of.

Im not saying its even plausible. I'm saying I wouldn't argue with it though.

 

[Apostle13]

Also, I think all murders where a Police Officer/Fire Fighter/Emergency Medical Technician is the victim, if convicted, should be an automatic Death Sentence... No Life allowed

What are you saying here... All others are not worthy of equal justice..? Are their lives lesser than.??
It would be wrong, I should think, this would even serve as, greater deterrent.

 

[Caine]

What are you saying here... All others are not worthy of equal justice..? Are their lives lesser than.??
It would be wrong, I should think, this would even serve as, greater deterrent.

No, your not getting the point.
I didn't say that only those who kill Emergency Responders in the "official dispatch of their duty" should get the penalty.
I'm saying that the penalty for killing said victims in uniform while they were working should be Death, The judge shouldn't decide.

Your reading too much into it. I still support the death penalty for other victims, random, even one crackhead killing another crackhead. I'm saying that when someone kills an Emergency Responder, I find it to be the most heinous of crime. Especially killing a Firefighter or an EMT, those guys can't even take your freedom from you.

 

[Apostle13]

No, your not getting the point.
I didn't say that only those who kill Emergency Responders in the "official dispatch of their duty" should get the penalty.
I'm saying that the penalty for killing said victims in uniform while they were working should be Death, The judge shouldn't decide.

Your reading too much into it. I still support the death penalty for other victims, random, even one crackhead killing another crackhead. I'm saying that when someone kills an Emergency Responder, I find it to be the most heinous of crime. Especially killing a Firefighter or an EMT, those guys can't even take your freedom from you.

Understood.
Hey you know what would be fair..? Is if the victim's family were allowed and able to decide... Now there's a deterrant.

I would that all crackheads would kill each other today...lol

 

[Caine]

Understood.
Hey you know what would be fair..? Is if the victim's family were allowed and able to decide... Now there's a deterrant.

I would that all crackheads would kill each other today...lol

Completely. On both ends.

And I don't care who knows it. *cough Turtledude*
Now he is going to use this against me if I find myself in a position to have to use Lethal Force on a crackhead out on the street.

Mr. Top 1%, 9 Mercedes-Benz havin' and braggin' Lawyer man. :2razz::2wave:

 

[Apostle13]

Completely. On both ends.

And I don't care who knows it. *cough Turtledude*
Now he is going to use this against me if I find myself in a position to have to use Lethal Force on a crackhead out on the street.

Mr. Top 1%, 9 Mercedes-Benz havin' and braggin' Lawyer man. :2razz::2wave:

Unless one has the kind of street exposure having been thrust in these situations/altercations they cannot fully fathom the intensity often sparked by drug crazed loonies. When self preservation comes into play the wise know "it is better to be judged by twelve then carried by six".

 

[CurrentAffairs]

The only reason I don't support the death penalty is because it costs the taxpayers more money to put someone to death than to keep them in jail for the rest of their life.

I have a different reason. I am oppossed to the death penalty because it is too damn easy to get an injection and drift peacefully off to sleep. What kind of punishment is that? Murderers don't kill with the same humaneness, so why are they given such a peaceful exit? Nope, I think the most appropriate punishment is hard labor for the rest of their days.

But for Saddam, this seemed very appropriate.

 

[Caine]

I have a different reason. I am oppossed to the death penalty because it is too damn easy to get an injection and drift peacefully off to sleep. What kind of punishment is that? Murderers don't kill with the same humaneness, so why are they given such a peaceful exit? Nope, I think the most appropriate punishment is hard labor for the rest of their days.

But for Saddam, this seemed very appropriate.

I agree.

The end result is the same, i.e. The guilty is killed.

What I don't understand is why we have to be OVERLY sensitive to how it is done.
I still think a firing squad, hanging, electric chair, "gas chamber", and guillotine are all suitable and acceptable punishments as well.

 

[PoliticalActivist]

Well, I can only speak for myself on this Death Penalty, and how I feel about quick death. I would prefere or support the death penalty by electric or injection. Then to have to pay for a murder who gets life, and she or he is living large with color-tv,dvd player,eatting good,and passing gas off of my tax dollors. It is less expensive to gas,inject,or juice a criminal then it is to keep his or her *** alive.

However when it was time for Saddam to face the music over 70% Americans hated Saddam, and I can't help but wonder why? Most of us was brain damaged by Bush's bullshit. The media did not make the situation no better, and the bottomline of it all was to please Daddy Bush, and now I guess Georgie is a good old boy.

I see Georgie Boy is still affaid of Osama Bin Ladin, and if he's not why Osama is so damn hard to be captured, and remember Osama & Saddam was once the Bush family best friends.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Most of us was brain damaged by Bush's bullshit. The media did not make the situation no better, and the bottomline of it all was to please Daddy Bush, and now I guess Georgie is a good old boy.

Something tells me your brain damage goes back a lot further than this administration.

 

[PoliticalActivist]

Something tells me your brain damage goes back a lot further than this administration.

Apparently the shoe must fit in order for you to be the first to flip the script.
I just love it when you republicians show your asses, and believe me you come at me wrong I am bouncing back. LIKE I SAID Brain damage. One of my thoughts would bust Bush's brains wide open. So you can't compare your ****ed up administration with anything I say or do.

 

[Kandahar]

It is less expensive to gas,inject,or juice a criminal then it is to keep his or her *** alive.

Not true. Death penalty cases are more expensive because they tie up the legal system for years as the prisoner avails himself of every possible appeal.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Apparently the shoe must fit in order for you to be the first to flip the script.
I just love it when you republicians show your asses, and believe me you come at me wrong I am bouncing back. LIKE I SAID Brain damage. One of my thoughts would bust Bush's brains wide open. So you can't compare your ****ed up administration with anything I say or do.

:rofl welcome to the forum.

 

[PoliticalActivist]

Not true. Death penalty cases are more expensive because they tie up the legal system for years as the prisoner avails himself of every possible appeal.

Yeah you are right Kandahar. It does cost more just like you said. I forgotten about the klong term waiting list.