Billo_Really said:
Was it the Palestinians or Hezbollah that traveled the road towards peace by vacating Gaza and Lebanon and was it Israel that continued to launch rockets into "Palestine" and Lebanon and kept attacking Hezbollah units on the borders and then kidnapping them?
Or was it the other way around? I fail to see how you think Israel has ever been the aggressor or the society that can't live in peace.
Billo_Really said:
What security? Last month 3500 Iraqi civilians died because of the violence.
So now you define the entire world as Iraq? What about the Marines stationed in every single Embassy around the globe? What about the soldiers, Marines, and airmen stationed in Asia staring down North Korea or China? What about all the soldiers that have been stationed in Euroipe following the end of WWII that stared down the Kremlin? What about all the Marines deployed in Africa? What about all the sailors and Marines floating around the oceans waiting for the call to react to aggression? This is the global security I speak of.
"3500 Iraqis died last month," because they have chosen to kill each other rather than act like descent human beings. If people are determined to adhere to their passed down traditions then there is little any one can do to stop it short of terrorizing them into submission. This will continue until Iraqis figure out that they will never succeed until they embrace toleration and civility. This has and always be an Iraqi victory or failure.
Billo_Really said:
I'm practical enough to know you can't beat a dog constantly and expect it to be nice in return.
And what does this have to do with the impractical rantings of imprisoning the President? What is this dog you type of? The enemy? Are we to kiss their *** in the hopes that they will be nice to us? Shall we leave all parts of the Middle East and turn our backs on Israel, so Bin Laden and his kind can have free reign across the desert? Do you actually think that his thirst for vengeance and the millions of Radicals who see us as the ultimate "evil" will simply embrace peace with the enemies of their "God." Or are you still simply parading around how American troops are slaughtering Iraqi civilians? If you care so much more than the people that are actually over there, then why would you want their fate to fall into the hands of their former Sunni abusers or Al-Queda?
Billo_Really said:
Whose "they"?.... There's those "they" people again.
Europe. Our "allies." The same "allies" that would rather see Saddam in power than the people of Iraq. The same "allies" that would rather see an extremely violent and deadly future against the Middle East rather than to deal with the nothing violence of today. The same "allies" that whined about Israel's over due response for Hezbollah that are stumbling over the notion of actually standing by their whines. France wouldn't want to witness anymore riots and Germany's treatment of Turkish Muslims is on the path for their own brand of eventual riots. How many troops is glorious France sending to Lebanon? What about Germany? Of course, Italy is trying to show that they aren't all talk, but if they do what they did in Somalia - Hezbollah has a new ally on the way.
Billo_Really said:
How about our own war dead? Do we owe them anything? They gave their lives so I could sit here and listen to your bigoted garbage regarding anything that is not American. And the more you talk this crap, the more their deaths will have been in vain.
This is where you do not know how to honor. The best way to honor "our war dead" is to see the mission through. Do you think the war dead of Somalia would appreciated the way we tucked tail and ran after "Blackhawk Down?" It was an insult to every Marine and soldier.
If you can read my posts and only muster enough strength or intellect to cry "bigotry," then you have a lot of maturing to achieve. You are also as ignorant today as you were a year ago.
Billo_Really said:
"[My] kind?" Any relation to this "they" people you keep alluding too?
Yes. The kind that lacks the courage or conviction to identify a problem and then lacks the will to do something about it. The kind that hides behind words like "soveriegnty" as a tyrant goes untouched. The kind that refuses to see a threat until the trigger has been pulled and you have sacrificed the lives of your own people for the sake of being "PC" in your response.
Billo_Really said:
So your point is, that it's wrong, to want to protect the innocent?
You mean in the manner in which you see protection? Leaving them to the fate of Radical Sunnis and Al-Queda agents? Is this your way of protecting the "innocent?" Spare us your crocodile tears, Billo. I saw through you a long time ago.
Ever heard of Brigadier General Khodeiri Obeid Abbas Al Janadi? Just one of the heroes of the Iraqi military? The majority of all Iraqis know him and so does the U.S. military. You have no idea what is going on over there, so don't pretend to care about the "innocent" beyond the crocodile tears.
Billo_Really said:
No more than "Trust me", coming from the right.
Trust your own study. Done any?
Billo_Really said:
with Crimes Against Humanity. That kind of fight is un-American.
As un-American as our other wars? Or did no civilians die in those? Were prisoners not interrogated in other wars? Give me a break. Your feeble attempts to portray the entire military to the acts of a few National Guard Reservists and a few Marines in Haditha is pathetic. We have had between 1 million and 1.5 million Americans deploy to the Gulf. Your find strength in your sad little cause by reflecting on the very tiny fraction of a percentage individuals?
What was that about "owing our war dead" you spoke of before? Spare us your BS. Like I said...I saw through you a long time ago. Your defintions of what is "un-American" and your will to exploit is disgusting.
Billo_Really said:
And what were they [the excuses]? Uh oh, I feel another "they" speech coming up...Knew it! Ooorah... I guess you'd call them a "Band of mutha's"
Since the subject was about the "senate"..."they" are the membership of our Senate. See how that works? You only have to apply a little brain power to keep up. Murtha is a good politician, however, he lacks knowledge of the MIddle East and this civilization. Like all the other members (politicians - so you won't get confused about the word "members"), he also lacks the understanding of anti-terrorism. Try to remain intelligent and less childish with your reponses. I've noticed you have forsaken some intellectual thought in your posts over the last few months. Has it all come down to frustratingly responding sarcastically to every syllable now?
Billo_Really said:
Let's keep things in perspective, that's what your wishing I wish.
Um....you stated that you would like a "Senate investigation" into our foreign policy roles.
Billo_Really said:
No, my position is more like what you said on that other thread. Something to the effect that "...none of us are innocent on this issue" You can't fix anything if your not able (or willing) to identify what the problem is or what are the factors that cause it. You're way too fixated on one aspect of this issue and refuse to think (or discuss) anything that is contrary to your position. You don't test your theory. You don't put the shoe on the other foot (just to look at things from a different perspective). Instead, you embrace your prejudice and draw lines in the sand...........cross it, you die!
Life ain't that black and white.
Do you even know what prejudice means? Would a prejudice individiual declare that the Radical element in the Middle East is to blame for the perversions of their religion and the failures of their region and not the vast majority of Muslims in the Middle East? Is this what is considered prejudice to you? Or is this word simply what you resort to as exoneration of not understanding what others do? I'll say it again for the benefit of the members who would believe your sophomoric accusations..."Islam is the problem. Our enemy is Arab and Muslim, but not every Arab is among them, and most Muslims are not."
I also tire of the individuals who have absolutely no discussion, so they resort to the "black and white" accusations. I am probably the most understanding individual on this site with regards to the Middle East. I see it from all sides and this is why I can confidentally declare the things I do. I don't hide behind weak words, because of my ignorance and I don't reflect only on things that will appease the "PC" god. There is absolutely nothing black and white about the issues in the Middle East. Blame goes everywhere. However, you are solely focused on the past and refuse to admit the world as it is today. It does us no good to reflect on our mistakes of the past when the Islamists of today only want revenge. They do not want apologies and even if they got them, they would see weakness and seek the means to exploit it. They have so far destroyed the image of their religion and their civilization that they are hopelessly caught in a quagmire - as the religion becomes more brutal their environment will suffer and vice versa. It also does us no good to reflect on our mistakes of the past while dismissing the overwhelming mistakes of their own culture and greedy sponserships.
What you call "biggotted" is your obviously celebrated ignorance and weakness. Like I've said before.."you've learned nothing." You simply continue to pretend that you are in the dark and deceive (or simply lie) about one situation to the next, despite what you have learned.
