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7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence

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Chicago has some of the strongest gun control laws in the country.


Seven people were killed and at least 30 others were shot in violence that plagued Chicago over Father's Day weekend.

Six of the fatalities and 11 other shootings occurred overnight Saturday leading into Father's Day, including the fatal shooting of a 16-year-old boy.



Source: 7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence | NBC Chicago
 

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Chicago has some of the strongest gun control laws in the country.


Seven people were killed and at least 30 others were shot in violence that plagued Chicago over Father's Day weekend.

Six of the fatalities and 11 other shootings occurred overnight Saturday leading into Father's Day, including the fatal shooting of a 16-year-old boy.



Source: 7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence | NBC Chicago

It would be great if both sides of this debate stopped pointing to things that that are irrelevant. For example most of the shootings in Chicago are gang on gang. No gun control bill would stop that, just as no bill will stop crazy people from doing crazy things. That is not to say we can strengthen controls in a logical way and prevent some incidents.
 

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It would be great if both sides of this debate stopped pointing to things that that are irrelevant. For example most of the shootings in Chicago are gang on gang. No gun control bill would stop that, just as no bill will stop crazy people from doing crazy things. That is not to say we can strengthen controls in a logical way and prevent some incidents.

That would be a good idea if everyone could decide on a logical way to prevent these incidents. But unfortunately one side will disagree with the other and we will get no where. Just like we have since the gun laws have started.
 

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Gang wars have made one of our biggest cities into a war zone, and we're fighting over gun control?

Gun control doesn't work. Gangs don't care what the gun laws are. That much is obvious, or should be by now.

So, what does work? How do we get rid of gangs, or can we? What is it that keeps them going and encourages people to become involved in them?

This is a serious question, and is not limited to Chicago or New York. We have a terrible gang problem right here in River City, as it were. Gangs are active all over the country.
 

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7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence [ Chiraq ]

By Alexandria Fisher
June 16 2013


Seven people were killed and at least 30 others were shot in violence that plagued Chicago over Father's Day weekend.

Six of the fatalities and 11 other shootings occurred overnight Saturday leading into Father's Day, including the fatal shooting of a 16-year-old boy.

On the Southwest Side, five people were shot, one fatally, in two shootings in the Little Village neighborhood.


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Read more;
7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence | NBC Chicago

Obama retreated from Iraq and see what is happening there today. Whoops, I thought this was about Iraq, It's about Chicago. No difference, we'll soon be hearing of IED's going off on the South Side. Heck they're even killing just outside Obama's house.
 

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Re: 7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence [ Chiraq ]

The murder rate in Chicago is almost 60% of what it was in 1994.
Crime in Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It did drop a good 15% after the Heller Decision tossed Chicago's lame
anti gun acts against its population. Its only "news" today because of
ofailure and it being his "home" town.


By Alexandria Fisher
June 16 2013


Seven people were killed and at least 30 others were shot in violence that plagued Chicago over Father's Day weekend.

Six of the fatalities and 11 other shootings occurred overnight Saturday leading into Father's Day, including the fatal shooting of a 16-year-old boy.

On the Southwest Side, five people were shot, one fatally, in two shootings in the Little Village neighborhood.


(Excerpt)

Read more;
7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence | NBC Chicago

Obama retreated from Iraq and see what is happening there today. Whoops, I thought this was about Iraq, It's about Chicago. No difference, we'll soon be hearing of IED's going off on the South Side. Heck they're even killing just outside Obama's house.
 

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Gang wars have made one of our biggest cities into a war zone, and we're fighting over gun control?

Gun control doesn't work. Gangs don't care what the gun laws are. That much is obvious, or should be by now.

So, what does work? How do we get rid of gangs, or can we? What is it that keeps them going and encourages people to become involved in them?

This is a serious question, and is not limited to Chicago or New York. We have a terrible gang problem right here in River City, as it were. Gangs are active all over the country.

What works. Neighborhoods cooperating with police to remove criminals from the streets. People taking responsibility for themselves, their children and their neighborhoods by fighting back. Prison sentences and punishments that actually meant something.

I would say more prosperity, but hell, good jobs are leaving, not coming, so we will probably start seeing more and more neighborhoods with this kind of crap going on.

What they need to do is get a bunch of Rednecks to come over, drink some beer, have a Bar-B-Que and point out the bad boys. Then let the Rednecks show the locals how to "get're done".
 

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Re: 7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence [ Chiraq ]

The murder rate in Chicago is almost 60% of what it was in 1994.
Crime in Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It did drop a good 15% after the Heller Decision tossed Chicago's lame
anti gun acts against its population. Its only "news" today because of
ofailure and it being his "home" town.

That must be the reason Obama has not gone back to visit his home lately. Then again that $35 million dollar home built in Hawaii must be just something the press likes talking about. Seems that Mrs. Robinson is all for the move to Hawaii, she may have to wait a while though. I understand that Dems in both houses of congress are seeking to do away with term limits.
 

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What works. Neighborhoods cooperating with police to remove criminals from the streets. People taking responsibility for themselves, their children and their neighborhoods by fighting back. Prison sentences and punishments that actually meant something.

That would work, no doubt. Now, to get the people who live in gang infested areas to cooperate with police and take responsibility for themselves, and to have punishment that actually means something.

I would say more prosperity, but hell, good jobs are leaving, not coming, so we will probably start seeing more and more neighborhoods with this kind of crap going on.

What they need to do is get a bunch of Rednecks to come over, drink some beer, have a Bar-B-Que and point out the bad boys. Then let the Rednecks show the locals how to "get're done".

The rednecks are coming! The rednecks are coming! One if by land, two if by sea!
 

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What works. Neighborhoods cooperating with police to remove criminals from the streets. People taking responsibility for themselves, their children and their neighborhoods by fighting back. Prison sentences and punishments that actually meant something.

I would say more prosperity, but hell, good jobs are leaving, not coming, so we will probably start seeing more and more neighborhoods with this kind of crap going on.

What they need to do is get a bunch of Rednecks to come over, drink some beer, have a Bar-B-Que and point out the bad boys. Then let the Rednecks show the locals how to "get're done".



We have gangs around here. They are unable to dominate the way they do in Chicago, though, since the local population is just as well armed and perfectly willing to shoot their asses if they push their luck. :)
 

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The rednecks are coming! The rednecks are coming! One if by land, two if by sea!

Well, I figure, even a shot never gets fired, after a weekend of 200 or so Bubba's and friends running through the neighborhood in their pickups drinking beer and playing country music, they will do just about anything to make sure they don't come back again.
 

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Re: 7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence [ Chiraq ]

Every single one of the people shot and/or killed were shot after 11.45 PM. That is what they all have in common. Most were shot in the wee dark hours of the night and the last one was shot after 4 AM. What the hell is a 16 old doing hanging at 11.45 PM?

At 16 my daddy would have kicked my butt and the butts of everyone in the vicinity if he'd found my 16 year old ass hanging out at 11.45 PM. Sure I was able to on a few occasions, but only with special permission, otherwise I had to be home by 11.00 PM.

Here's a Risky Suggestion for Chicago:

Curfew for troubled parts of town. There's no question that certain parts of the 2nd City (children and adults) are in need serious adult supervision. Start by curfewing minors, follow by doing the same with paroled felons, those out on bail, people from other neighborhoods, people convicted of drug violations. Keep them off the street. Bars and lounges in the troubled areas close at midnight.

Police should target known previous offenders their associates and people who fit offender profiles. Yes, profiles. As a cop you'd probably be wasting a great deal of your time targeting a little grandmother in a wheelchair coming home from church at 6.30 PM on Wednesday night, no? Screw a bunch of political correctness. Get real and make the neighborhoods safe. Those people bloody well know who the offenders are.

Make parents responsible. If they are unable to control their kid, the kid is removed from the home and the parent loses whatever government benefits are connected to the child.
 
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Well, I figure, even a shot never gets fired, after a weekend of 200 or so Bubba's and friends running through the neighborhood in their pickups drinking beer and playing country music, they will do just about anything to make sure they don't come back again.

Now, that just might work.
Do the rednecks get to carry assault rifles over their shoulders, or do they have to settle for their 30:06 deer rifles?
 

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What works. Neighborhoods cooperating with police to remove criminals from the streets. People taking responsibility for themselves, their children and their neighborhoods by fighting back. Prison sentences and punishments that actually meant something.

I would say more prosperity, but hell, good jobs are leaving, not coming, so we will probably start seeing more and more neighborhoods with this kind of crap going on.

What they need to do is get a bunch of Rednecks to come over, drink some beer, have a Bar-B-Que and point out the bad boys. Then let the Rednecks show the locals how to "get're done".

The rednecks would be mopped up in less than a half hour.....and would just make the bangers day.

In order to fight fire.....sometimes one must use fire.
 

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Chicago has some of the strongest gun control laws in the country.


Seven people were killed and at least 30 others were shot in violence that plagued Chicago over Father's Day weekend.

Six of the fatalities and 11 other shootings occurred overnight Saturday leading into Father's Day, including the fatal shooting of a 16-year-old boy.



Source: 7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence | NBC Chicago

"Oh" I see they changed the bodycount..... now going thru a weekend without anyone getting killed or shot. Is what's considered abnormal here.
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Re: 7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence [ Chiraq ]

Every single one of the people shot and/or killed were shot after 11.45 PM. That is what they all have in common. Most were shot in the wee dark hours of the night and the last one was shot after 4 AM. What the hell is a 16 old doing hanging at 11.45 PM?

At 16 my daddy would have kicked my butt and the butts of everyone in the vicinity if he'd found my 16 year old ass hanging out at 11.45 PM. Sure I was able to on a few occasions, but only with special permission, otherwise I had to be home by 11.00 PM.

Here's a Risky Suggestion for Chicago:

Curfew for troubled parts of town. There's no question that certain parts of the 2nd City (children and adults) are in need serious adult supervision. Start by curfewing minors, follow by doing the same with paroled felons, those out on bail, people from other neighborhoods, people convicted of drug violations. Keep them off the street. Bars and lounges in the troubled areas close at midnight.

Police should target known previous offenders their associates and people who fit offender profiles. Yes, profiles. As a cop you'd probably be wasting a great deal of your time targeting a little grandmother in a wheelchair coming home from church at 6.30 PM on Wednesday night, no? Screw a bunch of political correctness. Get real and make the neighborhoods safe. Those people bloody well know who the offenders are.

Make parents responsible. If they are unable to control their kid, the kid is removed from the home and the parent loses whatever government benefits are connected to the child.

Heya RT :2wave: .....I am not sure about the City proper. But some Neighborhoods and Suburbs do have a Curfew in affect. Some have brought that back around to help try curb some of the violence.
 

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Gang wars have made one of our biggest cities into a war zone, and we're fighting over gun control?

Gun control doesn't work. Gangs don't care what the gun laws are. That much is obvious, or should be by now.

So, what does work? How do we get rid of gangs, or can we? What is it that keeps them going and encourages people to become involved in them?

This is a serious question, and is not limited to Chicago or New York. We have a terrible gang problem right here in River City, as it were. Gangs are active all over the country.

First, this stuff speaks neither for nor against gun control. The cheap effort a making this type of argument misses the mark. Guns neither make us safe nor have no use in safety. They are mere tools and nothing more.

Now gangs are another issue, and as old as violence. But like poverty, gangs and violence are not a one answer solution type of problem. People would have to make fundamental changes in their nature to make any real dent in those problems. I don't see that happening. But if you want to really help, working poverty and get in trenches with those living there. Show as many as possible a better way. Show what is not viewable buy those in the fight. What we can't see, we won't try.
 

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Gang wars have made one of our biggest cities into a war zone, and we're fighting over gun control?

Gun control doesn't work. Gangs don't care what the gun laws are. That much is obvious, or should be by now.

So, what does work? How do we get rid of gangs, or can we? What is it that keeps them going and encourages people to become involved in them?

This is a serious question, and is not limited to Chicago or New York. We have a terrible gang problem right here in River City, as it were. Gangs are active all over the country.

Heya DH.
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The Latest method is.....Chicago has set up a New Task Force involved with the Feds. They are now going after the Gang-bangers with the Rico laws and Statutes. It appears to be taking affect.

Recently they have made strikes on the Latin Kings, Gangster Disciples, and the Souls. Arresting Numbers ranging from 18 to 23 members at a time.

18 Alleged Gangbangers Charged in Large Drug Trafficking Bust

Local and federal authorities nabbed 18 associates of the Black Disciples street gang, including in and around Chicago's South Side, on drug and firearms charges.....snip~

18 Alleged Gangbangers Charged in Large Drug Trafficking Bust - Police & Fire - Beverly-MtGreenwood, IL Patch

The Latest nab was June 13th of this year.....

Officials: Murder, intimidation kept $11 million-a-year gang going.

The top leaders of one of Chicago’s most violent street gangs have been charged in a sweeping racketeering case that alleges they controlled their West Side drug empire through pattern of intimidation, kidnappings, shootings and murder dating back to the mid-1990s, according to an affidavit unsealed today in Cook County Criminal Court

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Before sunrise today, police armed with "no knock" search warrants fanned out across the Chicago area surprising dozens of leaders of the Black Souls, including Cornel Dawson, known as the gang’s chief, and Teron Odum, described as Dawson’s second-in-command. Also arrested were a number of “top runners” and “supervisors” who authorities say control the gang’s street operations.

The 78-page affidavit alleges the Black Souls ran an $11 million-a-year drug operation and protected the enterprise with violence that included at least seven murders from 1994 to 2012. In all, 23 members of the gang have been charged with racketeering conspiracy, while 18 more face state drug or weapons charges, authorities said.

The new street gang RICO law has enabled us to launch an unprecedented attack on the leadership of this violent and notorious gang,” Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez said at a news conference today at the Leighton Criminal Court Building. “It is a game-changer for law enforcement in our war against Chicago street gangs.”

The arrests mark the first prosecution by the Cook County state’s attorney’s office under the gang RICO law, which took effect in June 2012 and was modeled after the 1970 federal RICO statute originally designed to go after mobsters. By classifying a gang as a criminal enterprise, the law allows authorities to hold leaders responsible for the gang’s actions even if they are insulated from a particular crime such as a murder or drug deal.

The law carries stiff penalties for those convicted of participating in a criminal enterprise -- from a mandatory 7- to 30-year prison term for racketeering conspiracy up to life in prison without parole for those convicted of murder under the statute.

The Black Souls gang was founded on the city’s West Side and is thought to have a half-dozen factions with more than 750 members, according to law enforcement reports.

Over the past decade, the federal RICO statute has been used against two Chicago-area gangs: the Latin Kings in Chicago and the Insane Deuces in Aurora.....snip~

Officials: Murder, intimidation kept $11 million-a-year gang going - Chicago Tribune

Now, it's also figuring out what to do with those Kids under the age of 12.
 

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My grandparents had a grocery store in what is East Garfield Park into the early 60s.Even then the neighborhood was pretty rough and sketchy.
 

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Uh. One of my deer rifles is a Bushmaster M-4 style.

Well, you may not be a true redneck, then. Do you at least have a pick up truck with a confederate flag painted on the top, beer cans in the bed, tobacco juice running down the door, and a gun rack in the back window?
 

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Heya DH.
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The Latest method is.....Chicago has set up a New Task Force involved with the Feds. They are now going after the Gang-bangers with the Rico laws and Statutes. It appears to be taking affect.

Recently they have made strikes on the Latin Kings, Gangster Disciples, and the Souls. Arresting Numbers ranging from 18 to 23 members at a time.

18 Alleged Gangbangers Charged in Large Drug Trafficking Bust

Local and federal authorities nabbed 18 associates of the Black Disciples street gang, including in and around Chicago's South Side, on drug and firearms charges.....snip~

18 Alleged Gangbangers Charged in Large Drug Trafficking Bust - Police & Fire - Beverly-MtGreenwood, IL Patch

The Latest nab was June 13th of this year.....

Officials: Murder, intimidation kept $11 million-a-year gang going.

The top leaders of one of Chicago’s most violent street gangs have been charged in a sweeping racketeering case that alleges they controlled their West Side drug empire through pattern of intimidation, kidnappings, shootings and murder dating back to the mid-1990s, according to an affidavit unsealed today in Cook County Criminal Court

600x339


Before sunrise today, police armed with "no knock" search warrants fanned out across the Chicago area surprising dozens of leaders of the Black Souls, including Cornel Dawson, known as the gang’s chief, and Teron Odum, described as Dawson’s second-in-command. Also arrested were a number of “top runners” and “supervisors” who authorities say control the gang’s street operations.

The 78-page affidavit alleges the Black Souls ran an $11 million-a-year drug operation and protected the enterprise with violence that included at least seven murders from 1994 to 2012. In all, 23 members of the gang have been charged with racketeering conspiracy, while 18 more face state drug or weapons charges, authorities said.

The new street gang RICO law has enabled us to launch an unprecedented attack on the leadership of this violent and notorious gang,” Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez said at a news conference today at the Leighton Criminal Court Building. “It is a game-changer for law enforcement in our war against Chicago street gangs.”

The arrests mark the first prosecution by the Cook County state’s attorney’s office under the gang RICO law, which took effect in June 2012 and was modeled after the 1970 federal RICO statute originally designed to go after mobsters. By classifying a gang as a criminal enterprise, the law allows authorities to hold leaders responsible for the gang’s actions even if they are insulated from a particular crime such as a murder or drug deal.

The law carries stiff penalties for those convicted of participating in a criminal enterprise -- from a mandatory 7- to 30-year prison term for racketeering conspiracy up to life in prison without parole for those convicted of murder under the statute.

The Black Souls gang was founded on the city’s West Side and is thought to have a half-dozen factions with more than 750 members, according to law enforcement reports.

Over the past decade, the federal RICO statute has been used against two Chicago-area gangs: the Latin Kings in Chicago and the Insane Deuces in Aurora.....snip~

Officials: Murder, intimidation kept $11 million-a-year gang going - Chicago Tribune

Now, it's also figuring out what to do with those Kids under the age of 12.

It sounds like the authorities are at least working on the problem. Now, how to make those drug empires less profitable. Surely, there must be some way to accomplish such a thing. Anyone have any ideas?
 

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Gang wars have made one of our biggest cities into a war zone, and we're fighting over gun control?

Gun control doesn't work. Gangs don't care what the gun laws are. That much is obvious, or should be by now.

So, what does work? How do we get rid of gangs, or can we? What is it that keeps them going and encourages people to become involved in them?

This is a serious question, and is not limited to Chicago or New York. We have a terrible gang problem right here in River City, as it were. Gangs are active all over the country.


I suspect that if we allocated as many resources as we do on our global war on terror into the terror at home and started treating violent gangs as terrorist organizations it wouldn't take us long to clean things up. Amazing how we will cross the globe to stop suspected terrorists and spend trillions in the process while we largely ignore those in our back yard.
 
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