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53 Declassified Transcripts From The Russia Hoax

I read through RINAT AKHMETSHIN, interesting but basically a nothing burger. Trump tower meeting was a fizzer but we did find out Fusion GPS was pulling the strings. The russian lawyer can't even speak English so it was obvious to Akhmetshin that someone else prepared her presentation.
Schiff4Brains and Swallowell carried on like a couple of repetitive clowns.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
You actually want me to read it to you and explain what's in it? If I do it for you I'll have to do it for every leftist.
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Then I accept your admission that you have nothing to document your assertions
 
HennyBogan said:
I read through RINAT AKHMETSHIN, interesting but basically a nothing burger. Trump tower meeting was a fizzer but we did find out Fusion GPS was pulling the strings. The russian lawyer can't even speak English so it was obvious to Akhmetshin that someone else prepared her presentation.
Schiff4Brains and Swallowell carried on like a couple of repetitive clowns.
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I didn't understand why anyone would believe these two at the time and yet there are still those who believe and support them. Guess it's all part of life's rich pageantry.
 
Tahuyaman said:
No it was not. It was to determine what did or did not happen during the 2016 election cycle.

If nothing criminal was uncovered, how can one be indicted for a crime, regardless of whether he's the POTUS or some average Joe?
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There was criminal activity uncovered, which why more than 100 federal indictments were handed down. Then there was the matter of obstruction justice, which more than 1000 former US attorney's attested to the notion that Trump's offense arose to, and surpassed, the high federal standards of an indictable crime. There he received the "sitting president" exemption. He could (not likely), however, be prosecuted next January for that.

Trump's campaign knowingly and willingly took Russian assistance in the election, and while such did not rise to the level of criminal conspiracy, it was collusion and was unethical. Only the ignorant think the Mueller report was an exoneration of Trump.

The original charter of the Mueller investigation was NOT to find collusion of Trump, it was to investigate Russian interference into the 2016 election AND investigate interactions between Russians and members of the Trump campaign. Russia interfered with the 2016 election. There were numerous interactions between members of the Trump campaign and people associated with the Russian government.

Mueller report: All known contacts between Trump campaign and Russia - Business Insider

It would have been malfeasance NOT to investigate. It was a righteous investigation.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

Here is the report. Obviously most people here are reporting on reports they heard on their fact-free political smut sites the operate as far from the truth as possible. As such, they are perpetuating their ignorance. Perhaps if you want to make a point about the Mueller report you should actually know what is in it. Study up! https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

That all said, I do think we are going to find that it wasn't a particularly comprehensive investigation since they never investigated Trump's financial ties to Moscow. But, they will likely do that during the Biden administration.
 
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upsideguy said:
There was criminal activity uncovered, which why more than 100 federal indictments were handed down. Then there was the matter of obstruction justice, which more than 1000 former US attorney's attested to the notion that Trump's offense arose to, and surpassed, the high federal standards of an indictable crime. There he received the "sitting president" exemption. He could (not likely), however, be prosecuted next January for that.

Trump's campaign knowingly and willingly took Russian assistance in the election, and while such did not rise to the level of criminal conspiracy, it was collusion and was unethical. Only the ignorant think the Mueller report was an exoneration of Trump.

The original charter of the Mueller investigation was NOT to find collusion of Trump, it was to investigate Russian interference into the 2016 election AND investigate interactions between Russians and members of the Trump campaign. There were numerous such interactions. It would have been malfeasance NOT to investigate. It was a righteous investigation.

I do think we are going to find that it wasn't a particularly comprehensive investigation since they never investigated Trump's financial ties to Moscow. But, they will likely do that during the Biden administration.
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All the investigations into Russian interference in the election was unnecessary. The evidence is the Steele Dossier, paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
 
Tahuyaman said:
There seems to be a lot of people in this forum who can not respond factually or rationally to having their positions challenged.
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Welcome to the incredible world of incurable TDS.


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QUOTE=upsideguy;1071851646]There was criminal activity uncovered, which why more than 100 federal indictments were handed down. Then there was the matter of obstruction justice, which more than 1000 former US attorney's attested to the notion that Trump's offense arose to, and surpassed, the high federal standards of an indictable crime. There he received the "sitting president" exemption. He could (not likely), however, be prosecuted next January for that.
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Trump won't be prosecuted for obstructed as there was no obstruction. We now know the top leadership of the Obama Admin did not see evidence to support a claim that the Trump campaign had conspired with Russia.
There was nothing to obstruct.

Trump's campaign knowingly and willingly took Russian assistance in the election
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Actually, The Trump campaign took nothing form Russia. That is simply a fact and not subject to reasonable dispute.
However, the Clinton campaign did take Russian assistance, and factually sought out that assistance. Whether that assistance (the steele dossier) was Russian disinformation CAN be subject to reasonable debate.

Only the ignorant think the Mueller report was an exoneration of Trump.
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Those who understand it will.

The original charter of the Mueller investigation was NOT to find collusion of Trump
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It actually was originally chartered to investigated whether whether the Trump campaign had conspired. There would be no other reason for it to exist, as the purpose of a special counsel is to investigate where, due to a conflict, the DOJ through its normal structure cannot reasonably do so.

Russia interfered with the 2016 election.
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Yes, they did.

There were numerous interactions between members of the Trump campaign and people associated with the Russian government.
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Which, as the recently released transcripts show, was not seen as evidenc eof anything by the Obama DOJ and DNI folks.

It would have been malfeasance NOT to investigate. It was a righteous investigation.
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The problem here is that they jumped onto the 'Trump was conspiring' bandwagon. While using information from anonymous Russian sources to explain it.
 
Tahuyaman said:
He wasn't supposed to be investigating the president. He was supposed to be investigating foreign involvement in the 2016 election wherever that went. Indicting a sitting president is contrary to long established Justice department policy, not unconstitutional.
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This means that the Mueller investigation was neither a hoax, nor an exoneration of Trump. It was nothing more than an attempt to find evidence that Trump was innocent. It was never capable of determining that the president committed a crime. It was only capable of determining that he didn't, and it could not.

This means the president committed a crime.
 
lwf said:
This means that the Mueller investigation was neither a hoax, nor an exoneration of Trump. It was nothing more than an attempt to find evidence that Trump was innocent. It was never capable of determining that the president committed a crime. It was only capable of determining that he didn't, and it could not.

This means the president committed a crime.
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There was no Trump / Russia collusion or conspiracy found during this massive investigation. How can one be accused of a crime when no crime was committed?

This is bizarre. The president committed a crime because no crime was found to be committed.
 
HennyBogan said:
Not sure if there is a thread about this. They contain a lot of interesting interviews, no wonder Schiff did not want to release them.

The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) have both released a set of 53 declassified transcripts from the 2018 House investigation.

They are available at the link below to read.

HPSCI and ODNI Release 53 Declassified Transcripts From ‘Russia-gate’ Witness Testimony… | The Last Refuge
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What do you make of the bi-partisan senate report that says Russia interfered in the presidential election to help Trump?

And the majority of senators found Schiff's claims to be credible.
 
Tahuyaman said:
There was no Trump / Russia collusion or conspiracy found during this massive investigation. How can one be accused of a crime when no crime was committed?

This is bizarre. The president committed a crime because no crime was found to be committed.
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There was, of course, collusion. We watched it on TV. But Mueller points out that it is not illegal, so his report was not concerned with that. The report went on to say that it could not affirm that there was no conspiracy because of a lack of cooperation from those involved.
 
Tahuyaman said:
The criteria for states to reopen constantly changed. First it was on thing, then it was another and yet another. The fact is, we never should have shut down in the first place. The strong, healthy and least vulnerable should have remained at work. Some of the actions, such as those ordered by Andrew Cuomo caused thousands of deaths in nursing homes. He should be held accountable for that.

When Governor’s lift restrictions and reopens businesses, that’s not a Trump decision. That’s a local decision.
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Again babble from a fantastical mind. Facts and truth matter, someone's babble, not so much.
 
j brown's body said:
There was, of course, collusion. We watched it on TV. But Mueller points out that it is not illegal, so his report was not concerned with that. The report went on to say that it could not affirm that there was no conspiracy because of a lack of cooperation from those involved.
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We saw no collusion on TV. There was only accusations of collusion by political hacks.
 
Quasar44 said:
Creating a giant lie about phony Russian collusion;that they each knew was a lie to undermine Trump
Can your brain grasp that ??
Do you want to live in a Banana Republic??
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The right wing in the Senate doesn't seem to have a problem with a "Banana Republic". They voted to acquit the ethics of the current administration.
 
j brown's body said:
There was, of course, collusion. We watched it on TV. But Mueller points out that it is not illegal, so his report was not concerned with that. The report went on to say that it could not affirm that there was no conspiracy because of a lack of cooperation from those involved.
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Did you watch Mueller's testimony? He had no idea what was in his report. He looked utterly lost and confused. He admitted that he didn't write it or read it. I believe he did say that he read the conclusion written by members of his staff.


He even claimed that he had never heard of Fusion GPS. How is that even possible? Fusion GPS was one of the central figures in the investigation.
 
Tahuyaman said:
There was no Trump / Russia collusion or conspiracy found during this massive investigation. How can one be accused of a crime when no crime was committed?

This is bizarre. The president committed a crime because no crime was found to be committed.
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It is bizarre. A president is incapable of being charged with a crime. Therefore, the things he did that would have normally been crimes cannot technically be called crimes because they were committed by the president. Therefore, Flynn's crimes are not really crimes because the president can't be charged with a crime by his own DOJ, and so the interrogation of Flynn could then be considered unwarranted by a DOJ that wanted an excuse to pardon him.

It makes no sense, but Trump and Barr have discretion to pardon, so they did.
 
lwf said:
It is bizarre. A president is incapable of being charged with a crime. Therefore, the things he did that would have normally been crimes cannot technically be called crimes because they were committed by the president. Therefore, Flynn's crimes are not really crimes because the president can't be charged with a crime by his own DOJ, and so the interrogation of Flynn could then be considered unwarranted by a DOJ that wanted an excuse to pardon him.

It makes no sense, but Trump and Barr have discretion to pardon, so they did.
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If you could simply fabricate a crime and charge a president then the executive branch has no power or purpose
Anyone with an IQ or 65 knows it was a hoax from the beg
The biggest in US history all from that demon Obama and witch Hillary
 
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