• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

5 " ZETA-BYTES " of Memory

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
The new Utah NSA facillity will have 5 ZETA-BYTES of memory Capacity.

That's equal to the memory of 312 BILLION I-PHONES.

1 ZETA-BYTE is equal to enough I-Phones stacked flat on top of each other to surpass the moon.

This is enough memory capacity to hold every cell-phone call, every Facebook post, every Forum post, text message, Picture and video, etc, in perpetuity from now on.

That also excludes any new file Compression code that could even attribute to more capacity in the future.

Is this for Al-Qaeda ? Terrorist ?
 

shlunka

Fourum Addmean
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 18, 2012
Messages
1,758
Reaction score
1,110
Location
Land of the sodomizers
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
With all that storage, I don't see any threat for personal privacy. Unless someone is going to sort through the trillions of messages/calls/texts/posts made each day...
 

Jetboogieman

Somewhere in Babylon
Moderator
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 12, 2010
Messages
31,002
Reaction score
34,334
Location
Somewhere in Babylon...
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Finally, enough memory for my movie and TV show collection.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
75,701
Reaction score
33,255
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Finally, enough memory for my movie and TV show collection.
Please, we both know 90% of that is porn.

As will be 90% of the data in this alleged facility.

i say alleged facility because stacking 3TB hard drives on each other would require a pile about 8400km tall to store that much data. Not including mounting brackets, gaps, cooling, casing, power supply....

Edit2: ****, that calculation was for ONE Zettabyte. So like 40,000km.
 
Last edited:

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
75,701
Reaction score
33,255
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Being very bored waiting all day for a passenger, I elected to crunch some more numbers:

4TB drives are available now, so 1.25 billion drives would be required to store 5ZB.

Each drive is about 146 x 101.6 x 19mm, or .281 cubic meters. Total size would be 352,298,000 cubic meters. Roughly the volume of a large container ship.

Each drive costs about $180, using the low end of newegg prices, so about 225 billion dollars.

And all this doesn't include anything but bare drives. You need to mount them, power them, and cool them, which is no easy task that that scale. Somewhere in the 10GW range to power the drives alone, plus the rest of the computing hardware required to actually try and use that much data. And then you have to dissipate all that heat.

Finding a supplier for over a billion hard drives may also prove a challenge, as this would be about two years worth of global production spent entirely on these 4tb models. (Obviously the bulk of drives produced are not 4tb)
 
Last edited:

Fisher

DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2012
Messages
17,002
Reaction score
6,913
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Very Liberal
Well I assume the government has access to things the consumers do not. Wonder how much RAM they have to even process that for viruses.
 

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
The question remains, why ? Why do we need this much storage capacity to fight " terror " ?

After this monstrosity of a Data Center is built I don't want to hear anything from the green energy folks.

I use to work on EMS for large Server Farms. The amount of power to cooling your average medium sized data center is massive.
 

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Being very bored waiting all day for a
passenger, I elected to crunch some more numbers:

4TB drives are available now, so 1.25 billion drives would be required to store 5ZB.

Each drive is about 146 x 101.6 x 19mm, or .281 cubic meters. Total size would be 352,298,000 cubic meters. Roughly the volume of a large container ship.

Each drive costs about $180, using the low end of newegg prices, so about 225 billion dollars.

And all this doesn't include anything but bare drives. You need to mount them, power them, and cool them, which is no easy task that that scale. Somewhere in the 10GW range to power the drives alone, plus the rest of the computing hardware required to actually try and use that much data. And then you have to dissipate all that heat.

Finding a supplier for over a billion hard drives may also prove a challenge, as this would be about two years worth of global production spent entirely on these 4tb models. (Obviously the bulk of drives produced are not 4tb)
I'm going off memory here from a few years ago working with a data center.

First their was two utillity feeds into the data center, grid isolated so if one went down the other would be there to pick up the slack.

There were massive 2.7 Megawatt generators for reduncancy. Huge tanks of diesel were kept on site with tank heaters to keep the water out of the fuel. Diesels very hydroscopic

Cooling was accomplished with multiple 700 Ton Trane Centrifigal Water Chillers that sent out 42 degree water into 30 Ton Chill Water Cooled AC units. A " ton" of air is 400 CFM.

Rows of servers were run off of PDUs and everything was sent back to a massive switchgear that would perform the instant switch over in case of a powet failure.

Each data center ran a continuous 2,000 Amp Load on the Utillity. At 480/3 phase stepped down through transformers at the PDUs, the AC ran on 480 3 phase power, thats a massive amount of power.....use OHMs law to figure Watts.

Their UPS facillity was massive, filled with racks and racks of 900 dollar 6 volt batteries for a few minutes of emergency power. It also had to be cooled.

There was also Co-Lo cation and a team of 24/7 techs working to keep each Server up and running.

Those data farms I worked with cant hold a candle to the UTAH facillity.
 

Wiseone

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 26, 2009
Messages
12,177
Reaction score
7,551
Location
Ft. Campbell, KY
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
The question remains, why ? Why do we need this much storage capacity to fight " terror " ?

After this monstrosity of a Data Center is built I don't want to hear anything from the green energy folks.

I use to work on EMS for large Server Farms. The amount of power to cooling your average medium sized data center is massive.
You ain't kidding

Amid Data Controversy, NSA Builds Its Biggest Data Farm : NPR

NSA does provide some measure of the computing power at its new data farm in Utah. It requires 65 megawatts of power, enough for 65,000 homes. It also has its own power substation. In fact, Davis of the NSA says, the availability and relatively low cost of power put Utah at the top of the list for the center.

That much power generates so much heat that the computers will fry without 1.5 million gallons of cooling water a day.
 

Diving Mullah

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 9, 2011
Messages
2,108
Reaction score
863
Location
Planet Earth
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
Being very bored waiting all day for a passenger, I elected to crunch some more numbers:

4TB drives are available now, so 1.25 billion drives would be required to store 5ZB.

Each drive is about 146 x 101.6 x 19mm, or .281 cubic meters. Total size would be 352,298,000 cubic meters. Roughly the volume of a large container ship.

Each drive costs about $180, using the low end of newegg prices, so about 225 billion dollars.

And all this doesn't include anything but bare drives. You need to mount them, power them, and cool them, which is no easy task that that scale. Somewhere in the 10GW range to power the drives alone, plus the rest of the computing hardware required to actually try and use that much data. And then you have to dissipate all that heat.

Finding a supplier for over a billion hard drives may also prove a challenge, as this would be about two years worth of global production spent entirely on these 4tb models. (Obviously the bulk of drives produced are not 4tb)

Tish!!!!..Zeta is 1e21...you can buy 1.5 Terra bits 1e9 at any computer hardware store dirt cheep. Given progression of Hard Drives in the past ten years...I'm sure we will hit that number in less than 10 to 15 years(or a bit loner!!!)



btw...given the fact that Commander Data has 8 quadrillion bits brain capacity 90, 949 Terra bits. Utah facility is still impressive, given they can hold 11 Trillion times Data's brain capacity in their hard-drives.

Diving Mullah
 

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Tish!!!!..Zeta is 1e21...you can buy 1.5 Terra bits 1e9 at any computer hardware store dirt
cheep. Given progression of Hard Drives in the past ten years...I'm sure we will hit that number in less than 10 to 15 years(or a bit loner!!!)



btw...given the fact that Commander Data has 8 quadrillion bits brain capacity 90, 949 Terra bits. Utah facility is still impressive, given they can hold 11 Trillion times Data's brain capacity in their hard-drives.

Diving Mullah

Tera "bits" or Tera "bytes" ?
 

Diving Mullah

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 9, 2011
Messages
2,108
Reaction score
863
Location
Planet Earth
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
I think is 8 quadrillion Bits so it is 90, 949 Terra Bytes (I remember this because when heard the first time I thought...how stupid to use Bits, rather than Bytes!...Then I assumed the writer of the show assume Bits is a plural of a Byte! and hence the faux pas)
 

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
I think is 8 quadrillion Bits so it is 90,
949 Terra Bytes (I remember this because when heard the first time I thought...how stupid to use Bits, rather than Bytes!...Then I assumed the writer of the show assume Bits is a plural of a Byte! and hence the faux pas)
No worries. I figured just a typo.
 

Helix

Administrator
Moderator
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 1, 2011
Messages
69,915
Reaction score
52,047
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
i remember when i bought my first add-on drive. i was completely stoked; it was 100 meg, and with doublespace and the master 40 meg drive, i theorized that i would never fill it up. my, how times have changed.
 

Mach

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 13, 2006
Messages
20,388
Reaction score
11,954
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
The digital age is so cool. I cant' wait for it to progress beyond search/data mining for advertisers. What's beyond search/advertising? Prediction? AI? Have we reached the point where we can model the inefficiency of our archaic political system vs other modern best practice systems? :) I swear it took a shameful 5 full seconds to get Diving's "Commander Data" reference...shame on me!!
 

BmanMcfly

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 3, 2008
Messages
12,761
Reaction score
2,321
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
The new Utah NSA facillity will have 5 ZETA-BYTES of memory Capacity.

That's equal to the memory of 312 BILLION I-PHONES.

1 ZETA-BYTE is equal to enough I-Phones stacked flat on top of each other to surpass the moon.

This is enough memory capacity to hold every cell-phone call, every Facebook post, every Forum post, text message, Picture and video, etc, in perpetuity from now on.

That also excludes any new file Compression code that could even attribute to more capacity in the future.

Is this for Al-Qaeda ? Terrorist ?
With enough data collected on everything and an analyzing algorithm, you could create a program that could ultimately predict the future movements of groups, and with enough individual information could predict what you will do / say / think before you even do / say / think it.
 

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
With enough data collected on everything
and an analyzing algorithm, you could create a program that could ultimately predict the future movements of groups, and with enough individual information could predict what you will do / say / think before you even do / say / think it.
What was the Tom Cruise movie where crime was predicted ?

Horrible movie, probably why I can't remember the name.

I think you have made a excellent point. With historic data and trends on specific demographics a highly effective program could be created that would lead to what are essentially highly accurate and instant, educated guess's.

The need for that much data capacity has yet to be explained so there is no telling.
 

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
The digital age is so cool. I cant' wait for it to progress beyond search/data mining
for advertisers. What's beyond search/advertising? Prediction? AI? Have we reached the point where we can model the inefficiency of our archaic political system vs other modern best practice systems? :) I swear it took a shameful 5 full seconds to get Diving's "Commander Data" reference...shame on me!!
Perhaps we will all...asimilate.
 

Gipper

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2008
Messages
25,120
Reaction score
7,658
Location
Theoretical Physics Lab
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
Damn, maybe I should have Washington hold my Excel file of women I've slept with. Finally I can do away with those thousands of files.
 

BmanMcfly

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 3, 2008
Messages
12,761
Reaction score
2,321
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
What was the Tom Cruise movie where crime was predicted ?

Horrible movie, probably why I can't remember the name.

I think you have made a excellent point. With historic data and trends on specific demographics a highly effective program could be created that would lead to what are essentially highly accurate and instant, educated guess's.

The need for that much data capacity has yet to be explained so there is no telling.
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/...e-invest-in-high-tech-crystal-ball-technology

Well, I can't say definitely related, but how much data would it take to know everything about everyone continuously??
 

head of joaquin

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 19, 2012
Messages
12,029
Reaction score
3,530
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
I'm glad conservatives are against the Patriot Act. Wait . . . they're not.
 

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
CIA and Google invest in high-tech crystal ball technology

Well, I can't say definitely related, but how much data would it take to know everything about everyone continuously??
All I know is the capacity of this data center seems to be hyper-proportional to what it's stated intention requires. IF, they're not planning on using it to monitor everything we do, then it's being built under false pretenses for some other function.

I would actually be more impressed with a attempt at building a massive super processor than just data storage that is unless they already have a super computer that just lacks data .
 
Top Bottom