5 Years Ago America Was A Super Power, Today Who Will Fill The Vacancy ?

[ChezC3]

With Obama at the helm we aren't a super power, we're an incompetent mess.

 

[APACHERAT]

It's nice to have stuff like this, but when will Russia ever use it?

I don't believe that anyone in Russia wants to see Russia destroyed by a massive nuclear strike from the USA.

The balance of terror still works.

I don't believe that Russia will be starting a world-wide nuclear war anytime soon.

I concur.

I doubt we or the Ruskies want to go back to the days we remember of duck and cover and looking at Suzey Rotten Crotch panties. Would have been more enjoyable when you were a teenager in high school.

 

[shrubnose]

I concur.

I doubt we or the Ruskies want to go back to the days we remember of duck and cover and looking at Suzey Rotten Crotch panties. Would have been more enjoyable when you were a teenager in high school.

Once again, we agree, 'pach.

Let's try not to make a habit of this, eh?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

It's nice to have stuff like this, but when will Russia ever use it?

I don't believe that anyone in Russia wants to see Russia destroyed by a massive nuclear strike from the USA.

The balance of terror still works.

I don't believe that Russia will be starting a world-wide nuclear war anytime soon.

And as perverse as the concept surely is, the Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) doctrine worked...and continues to work, if the lack any major war between nuclear powers who truly hate each other (like India and Pakistan) is any indication.

 

[shrubnose]

With Obama at the helm we aren't a super power, we're an incompetent mess.

There are very few countries on this planet that wouldn't be mighty glad to trade places with the USA

BTW, Whether you like him or not, you are going to have to deal with the fact that Barack Obama will be in the White House until another Democrat takes his place in 2017.


Have a nice day.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

 

[thinkforyoursel]

With Obama at the helm we aren't a super power, we're an incompetent mess.

Wow ....Americans would love to have bush back.....LOL!!

You people are what's wrong with America ...you people who sit around and whine..and whine ...and whine all day. Look at this board ...pure fart ...pure whining...about Obama.

America began slipping when Reagan started taking steps to decimate the middle class....well before Obama arrived on the scene.
..And it's too late now ...more and more of the wealth will end up in the hands of less and less Americans. And these lucky few will in turn rule the country.

If you idiot would get your heads out of the sand ...you'll notice every new name you invent...every astro turf movement you create ..inevitably end up sending candidates to Washington ...who quickly become part of the establishment!!

Thanks to you guys ...yes America is sliding!!

 

[MarineTpartier]

Our military has become a hollow military force.

Name a country that can beat us right now militarily. List the country's name and why you think they could beat us.

 

[APACHERAT]

Name a country that can beat us right now militarily. List the country's name and why you think they could beat us.

Mongolia.

 

[ChezC3]

Wow ....Americans would love to have bush back.....LOL!!

You people are what's wrong with America ...you people who sit around and whine..and whine ...and whine all day. Look at this board ...pure fart ...pure whining...about Obama.

America began slipping when Reagan started taking steps to decimate the middle class....well before Obama arrived on the scene.
..And it's too late now ...more and more of the wealth will end up in the hands of less and less Americans. And these lucky few will in turn rule the country.

If you idiot would get your heads out of the sand ...you'll notice every new name you invent...every astro turf movement you create ..inevitably end up sending candidates to Washington ...who quickly become part of the establishment!!

Thanks to you guys ...yes America is sliding!!

Er...hey buddy...psst...Before you go talking about "you guys" you should make sure you know who your talking to, cuz, I agree with your Reagan quip and I agree that EVERY politician sent to DC becomes a part of the Establishment.

So now don't you feel just a little bit stupid?:neener

 

[polgara]

Mongolia.

Good morning, APACHERAT! :2wave:

:lamo: However, due to weather and other lousy living conditions, they only get together once every 5 years or so to discuss politics, so that isn't all bad! :thumbs:

 

[MarineTpartier]

Mongolia.

So, you make a ridiculous claim in the title of your thread then have nothing to back it up other than an obviously ridiculous suggestion?

 

[CRUE CAB]

We're still #1 militarily, economically, overall quality of life, etc. This is not a solid argument by any means.

Prove it.
More people come here every year than leave.
Our military IS second to none. Even if we dont know when and when not to use it.
Quality of life, right here in the US.
Our economy is strong, but being weaked by our current administration.

 

[blackjack50]

There are very few countries on this planet that wouldn't be mighty glad to trade places with the USA

BTW, Whether you like him or not, you are going to have to deal with the fact that Barack Obama will be in the White House until another Democrat takes his place in 2017.


Have a nice day.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

You better hope you are eating crow after that comment lol

 

[shrubnose]

Below is a commentary. Lets face it, we are no longer a super power.

Our military has become a hollow military force. President Obama is an incompetent commander in chief and we don't have the influence in the word that we had five years ago.

Excerpts:

>" Not since the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1991, and prior to that the fall of France in 1940, has there been so swift an erosion of the world influence of a Great Power as we are witnessing with the United States..."<

>" What we are witnessing now in the United States, by contrast, is just the backwash of inept policy-making in Washington, and nothing that could not eventually be put right. But for this administration to redeem its credibility now would require a change of direction and method so radical it would be the national equivalent of the comeback of Lazarus:..."<

>" The country that could pick up the slack and lead is Germany, but it is psychologically incapable. A third of its voters are communists, eco-extremists or cyber-nihilists calling themselves “pirates.” They are still in attrition-therapy over the after-effects of Nazi and communist rule. And the European power that can’t take the lead, because it is almost bankrupt, over-centralized, suffocating in pettifogging regulations and governed by idiots, is France (though it yet has the superb, often misplaced, feline confidence of a Great Power, and admittedly has been magnificent on Libya, Mali and Syria).

Canada could play a role — but first it must acquire an aircraft carrier and the other equipment necessary to project power. For starters, we should buy one of these splendid aircraft carriers the United States is retiring because of the gridlock-fed deficit and the idiocy of sequestration,..."<

The entire article. -> Collapse of American Influence Recalls Disintegration of Soviet Union, Fall of France - The New York Sun

This entire post is malarkey.

There are very few countries on this planet that would not be happy to trade places with the USA if it was possible.

 

[APACHERAT]

So, you make a ridiculous claim in the title of your thread then have nothing to back it up other than an obviously ridiculous suggestion?

Not a ridiculous suggestion, without the Peoples Republic of China or Russia's approval we couldn't militarily defeat Mongolia.

To be a superpower you must be able to project military power.

Take for example the current situation in Syria. Five years ago we could have put an entire CSG and ARG with a MEU aboard in the Mediterranean Sea. In fact the 11 past Presidents before Obama always had a CBG or CSG along with an ARG and either a BLT or MEU aboard 24/7 in the 6th Fleet AOR. No longer under the Obama administration. The only time you'll see a CSG and ARG in the 6th Fleet AOR when it's in transit to the 5th Fleet AOR.

Currently since 2010 only two Arleigh Burke destroyers are kept in the 6th Fleet AOR and their mission isn't being able to respond to a crisis like we saw last year in Benghazi or what's happening in Syria today but are kept in a certain part of the Mediterranean as an anti ballistic missile defense system for Europe.

How did Obama project military power in the 6th Fleet AOR during the current situation in Syria ? Did he send the "surge" CSG to the area ? No, the ships crews weren't properly trained to put to sea. His response was sending two destroyers because that's all there was that could be deployed.

America today is incapable of projecting military power like we were able to do five years ago. And it's going to get worse as the combat readiness of our military continues to decline under the Obama administration.

America's decline as a superpower started back in 2009 when President Obama appeased the Russians.

When then President G.W. Bush decided to deploy American anti ballistic missile batteries and radars in Eastern Europe the Ruskies weren't happy campers. And they let it be known. What was Bush's reaction ? :moon:

In 2009 Obama thought he could appease the Ruskies by giving them what they wanted. But Obama asked nothing in return. Obama agreed not to deploy the missiles. What was the Ruskies reaction ? America elected a *****, a frickin pantywaist as President. They looked upon Obama as being a weak President.

Now thugs like Putin don't respect ******s, he despises weak pantywaist leaders. And so do many other world leaders.

But Obama took it further. He has publicly announced that America was no better than any other country in the world. Then to speed up the decline of America as a superpower he ignores the state protocol that no American President is suppose to bow from the waist to any monarchy (King, Queen, Emperor) and he bows from the waist to every monarch he came across. Not even American civilian citizens are required to bow to a monarch.

 

[APACHERAT]

This entire post is malarkey.

There are very few countries on this planet that would not be happy to trade places with the USA if it was possible.

But there are a few countries that wouldn't want to trade places with America. Switzerland is probably at the top of the list.
I think the Brits, Aussies and a couple of the Scandinavian countries are just as happy not trading places with America.

Many believe it's just not worth it having to learn Spanish.

 

[MarineTpartier]

Not a ridiculous suggestion, without the Peoples Republic of China or Russia's approval we couldn't militarily defeat Mongolia.

To be a superpower you must be able to project military power.

Take for example the current situation in Syria. Five years ago we could have put an entire CSG and ARG with a MEU aboard in the Mediterranean Sea. In fact the 11 past Presidents before Obama always had a CBG or CSG along with an ARG and either a BLT or MEU aboard 24/7 in the 6th Fleet AOR. No longer under the Obama administration. The only time you'll see a CSG and ARG in the 6th Fleet AOR when it's in transit to the 5th Fleet AOR.

Currently since 2010 only two Arleigh Burke destroyers are kept in the 6th Fleet AOR and their mission isn't being able to respond to a crisis like we saw last year in Benghazi or what's happening in Syria today but are kept in a certain part of the Mediterranean as an anti ballistic missile defense system for Europe.

How did Obama project military power in the 6th Fleet AOR during the current situation in Syria ? Did he send the "surge" CSG to the area ? No, the ships crews weren't properly trained to put to sea. His response was sending two destroyers because that's all there was that could be deployed.

America today is incapable of projecting military power like we were able to do five years ago. And it's going to get worse as the combat readiness of our military continues to decline under the Obama administration.

America's decline as a superpower started back in 2009 when President Obama appeased the Russians.

When then President G.W. Bush decided to deploy American anti ballistic missile batteries and radars in Eastern Europe the Ruskies weren't happy campers. And they let it be known. What was Bush's reaction ? :moon:

In 2009 Obama thought he could appease the Ruskies by giving them what they wanted. But Obama asked nothing in return. Obama agreed not to deploy the missiles. What was the Ruskies reaction ? America elected a *****, a frickin pantywaist as President. They looked upon Obama as being a weak President.

Now thugs like Putin don't respect ******s, he despises weak pantywaist leaders. And so do many other world leaders.

But Obama took it further. He has publicly announced that America was no better than any other country in the world. Then to speed up the decline of America as a superpower he ignores the state protocol that no American President is suppose to bow from the waist to any monarchy (King, Queen, Emperor) and he bows from the waist to every monarch he came across. Not even American civilian citizens are required to bow to a monarch.

I'm sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about. Here's a news flash. We still put MEU's in the Mediterranean, in the Pacific, and one in Okinawa in the same manner we always have. The Navy has no real weight on current theaters now so the lack of a CSG isn't a real concern. There are only a few countries on this earth right now that have the capability to challenge us in the air anyway. Now, if Mongolia (since you decided to use them as an example) decided to attack us in some way, THEY would need the permission of Russia and China, not us. Russia and China know that anyone attacking us in a conventional manner means they have to pick a side and they don't want to publicly pick the US. That is how much power we have right now. Regardless of big a vagina Obama is, other leading nations know that a new guy is coming along soon who may walk harder and carrier a bigger stick. We have a military that has been fighting for 10+ years and is better equipped than in any other time in history. We'd have no issue with the Mongolia's of the world and China/Russia would be a hard fought victory, but a victory nonetheless.

 

[APACHERAT]

. We have a military that has been fighting for 10+ years and is better equipped than in any other time in history. .

I have to differ with you. With 1/3 of the Air Force squadrons grounded, the navy only being able to keep two CSG at sea at any given time. When Marine Corps HQ's says they probably could only deploy one combat ready brigade. When fighter squadrons are only able to fly between 30% to 60 % of their scheduled flight training missions because the lack of funding for maintenance, spare parts and even fuel. Not to mention that 50% of all of the forward deployed P-3's can't fly because the lack of spare parts and the same is said to be true aboard our carriers more times than not.

Have you driven by Norfolk lately ? Have you noticed all of those carriers tied up to the wharfs unable to put to sea ? Even Congress was alarmed a year or so ago when it was revealed that 23 % of the Navy's ships couldn't weigh anchor and put to sea and be able to fight because the lack of maintenance. Either a weapons system isn't working or a radar is out of operation, etc.

So what time in history are you comparing todays military with ?

In my opinion the best armed, equipped, trained and having a high morale was Reagan's military in 1988. We were only a few ships away from having a 600 ship navy. Even the 3rd Mar Div had three rifle regiments back then.

We have a hollow military force today MarineTapartier.

This photo was taken last year at Norfolk. One half of the Navy's carriers along with six amphibious ships all tied up to the docks hoping that Japanese aircraft don't appear in the horizon like what happened back on 12-7-41.



"You can try to maintain 11 carriers, but if you don't have money to deploy them, they won't be very useful."
<Todd Harrison, a defense budget expert at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.>

 

[MarineTpartier]

I have to differ with you. With 1/3 of the Air Force squadrons grounded, the navy only being able to keep two CSG at sea at any given time. When Marine Corps HQ's says they probably could only deploy one combat ready brigade. When fighter squadrons are only able to fly between 30% to 60 % of their scheduled flight training missions because the lack of funding for maintenance, spare parts and even fuel. Not to mention that 50% of all of the forward deployed P-3's can't fly because the lack of spare parts and the same is said to be true aboard our carriers more times than not.

Have you driven by Norfolk lately ? Have you noticed all of those carriers tied up to the wharfs unable to put to sea ? Even Congress was alarmed a year or so ago when it was revealed that 23 % of the Navy's ships couldn't weigh anchor and put to sea and be able to fight because the lack of maintenance. Either a weapons system isn't working or a radar is out of operation, etc.

So what time in history are you comparing todays military with ?

In my opinion the best armed, equipped, trained and having a high morale was Reagan's military in 1988. We were only a few ships away from having a 600 ship navy. Even the 3rd Mar Div had three rifle regiments back then.

We have a hollow military force today MarineTapartier.

This photo was taken last year at Norfolk. One half of the Navy's carriers along with six amphibious ships all tied up to the docks hoping that Japanese aircraft don't appear in the horizon like what happened back on 12-7-41.

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"You can try to maintain 11 carriers, but if you don't have money to deploy them, they won't be very useful."
<Todd Harrison, a defense budget expert at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.>

So your argument is because carriers are in port instead of out floating around doing nothing that we are now hollow? That's ridiculous. These ships do not need to be deployed to be useful. Further, you avoid the fact that MEU's are still deployed. Finally, I have yet to see a source for anything you claim.

 

[APACHERAT]

So your argument is because carriers are in port instead of out floating around doing nothing that we are now hollow? That's ridiculous. These ships do not need to be deployed to be useful. Further, you avoid the fact that MEU's are still deployed. Finally, I have yet to see a source for anything you claim.

>" "Due to reduced training and maintenance, almost all of our non-deployed ships and aviation squadrons are soon going to be less than fully mission capable and not certified for major combat operations. That's about two-thirds of the fleet," said Vice Adm. William Burke, the deputy chief of naval operations for warfare systems.
Two months into sequestration, the Marine Corps told a similar story. Lt. Gen. William Tryon, the deputy commandant for plans, policies and operations, said more than half of all non-deployed Marine units are currently at "unacceptable" levels of readiness. "<

There's more.-> Sequestration already biting Navy, Marines readiness - FederalNewsRadio.com

 

[MarineTpartier]

>" "Due to reduced training and maintenance, almost all of our non-deployed ships and aviation squadrons are soon going to be less than fully mission capable and not certified for major combat operations. That's about two-thirds of the fleet," said Vice Adm. William Burke, the deputy chief of naval operations for warfare systems.
Two months into sequestration, the Marine Corps told a similar story. Lt. Gen. William Tryon, the deputy commandant for plans, policies and operations, said more than half of all non-deployed Marine units are currently at "unacceptable" levels of readiness. "<

There's more.-> Sequestration already biting Navy, Marines readiness - FederalNewsRadio.com

1) When they speak of mission readiness, they speak of GWOT levels of readiness. That's what all of our equipment and personnel readiness levels are based against right now. Our Training and Readiness manuals have all been rewritten 3 times since 2003. Guess what, we're not in the GWOT anymore. So there is no need to maintain those levels. Why would we deploy ships, soldiers, and Marines to areas that don't need it? Why spend the money when there is no threat to spend it against? Plus, you are reading an article that is quoting General officers. I know you've served. You know what General officers are. They are politicians in a uniform. Both of these guys probably have some sort of job in one of the Alphabet acronym members of the military industrial complex waiting on them upon retirement. It would kinda hurt their chances of landing said job if they spoke up and said "Hey, we're doing just fine. We don't need this new version of Joint Strike Fighter."
2) The only portion of the DOD I've seen hit hard are civilian contractors. They needed to be hit hard anyway. Most of them are retired military that can't let go of the fact that they are, in fact, retired and are soaking up a paycheck. Most of those guys do 3 days of work in 5 days. Then make up programs, maintenance, etc so as to keep their jobs. Perfect example is the guys in charge of the M777A2 howitzer. They continue to slow leak updates on that gun to the Marine Corps and Army instead of just giving us the best gun they can. Why? Not due to funding. It's due to the fact that they know if they give us the best gun they can now, they'll not have a job in a year.
3) What little hits I've seen are things like facility maintenance. For example, my facility has a HAZMAT locker that is not powered nor does it have a sprinkler system in it. Guess what, OSHA code doesn't require that anyway. So that's a nice to have thing that I don't have. Not a big deal.

Our military has been spoiled for the past 10 years. We need some money cut. Some of the gear I've seen fielded to us is ridiculous. Examples are 3 new main packs since 2003 at a cost of $100 million plus for each, 3 generations of body armor (none of which increased protective levels over the next), new IR laser attachments for our rifles (when the original was just fine), a new 120mm mortar system that the Army already had (we just wanted it rifled instead of smooth bore), the friggin Osprey is a waste (no attack helo can keep up with it nor has the fuel range to escort it, jets are too fast for it nor do they have the fuel range for it, and the Osprey itself has minimum self defense capability), new Abram tanks when we weren't using the ones we have, we do operations with countries that aren't friendly to us (see Morocco fiasco), and I could keep going and going.
Trust me, our military can't get lower than it was at the beginning of 2001. Yet, when Sept 11th happened, what was the result? We had a MEU there on schedule. When Pres Bush wanted to invade Iraq in 2003, we were notified on Feb 21st. I was in Kuwait on February 25th. We were ready for what was the largest military operation since Desert Storm on March 1st. And that was with a Clinton era military that made us have to duct tape our flak jackets closed, minimize the amount of trucks we trained with due to fuel constraints, and leave some Marines in the barracks during field operations because we didn't have the money for MRE's. We are NOWHERE NEAR those levels now. Yet, at those levels, we still invaded a country in accordance with the timeline set forth by the POTUS. Our military is just fine. Just because we aren't a Pres Bush era levels doesn't mean we aren't ready. It means we are actually being sensible with our money for the first time in a while.