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307 shootings in 311 days

Oooh. IKYABWAI. Hard to get happy after that one.

Side note: I had to look that up.

It reminded me how the WGASA Railway in the San Diego Wild Animal Park got its name.

A memo went around asking for suggestions for a name. One memo came back with WGASA on it. It was selected.

Later they learn WSASA meant "Who Gives A Shit Anyway"
 
This is the Republican Solution. They want a military-style police state in which Donald Trump is a military-style dictator in the exact same vein as North Korea. That is Trump's goal. That is the modern Republican parties goal. Make no mistake about it that is exactly what they want.
How do you come up with this ****? This is totally mindless rant.
 
I wasn't sure where to put this thread. I didn't want it in the gun control section, as that issue has been beaten to death already, and the mass shootings we're experiencing go a lot deeper than guns per se.

[h=1]Thousand Oaks makes 307 mass shootings in 311 days[/h]


When Obama said that mass shootings just don't happen in other countries to the degree they do here, the Republicans cut the bolded part from his statement and said he was wrong. Trump's contribution to the discussion was to say that the synagogue that was one of the 307 should have had an armed guard.

So, do we now have armed guards at every public gathering where a shooting might occur?



That is far fewer than die by drug overdose, or even by auto accidents. Is it an acceptable number?

The latest shooting happened in California, which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. Are more restrictive gun laws the answer? I'd say, no.

Do we need to all be armed and ready for a Shootout at the OK Corral sort of incident? Who wants to live in such a society? The romanticized "wild west" never was what was shown in the movies after all. We don't need to create a fantasy world that never existed.

But, why is it that the United States, bastion of liberty, has so many incidents of mass shootings, nearly one a day? What is the sickness in our collective soul that makes it OK to go out and shoot people? Is it related to our appetite for illegal drugs? When more people die of drug overdose than of auto accidents, we should start to wonder why so many want to escape reality via chemicals.

Your thoughts?
Your link has a link to the Gun Violence Archive that compiles the number you cited. After looking at the incidents listed and the source info about the shootings I gotta think the "307 shootings in 311 days" is an appeal to emotions and attempt to sway judgment. A simple mind would that headline and assume that 307 mass killings like 1000 Oaks, or Pulse, or Tree of Live Synagogue or even Las Vegas had happened this year. Not so. For a large percentage of the shootings there were no deaths, nor did the shooter what into a crowded venue armed to the teeth. A lot look like gang confrontations, or escalated bar fights. The link is there, I invite anyone who is serious about the topic to take a look.


People killing people with guns is still revolting and appalling, don't get me wrong. But so is people killing people with cars, or 200,000 dying in hospitals because of medical accidents or mispractice.
 
Not really. If a person shoots into a crowd of people and injures a dozen it would be irresponsible to glance over it just because they failed to inflict the amount of harm they hoped to do. Drive by shooting - gangland shooting and any other shooting where the goal is to kill as many people as possible in that grouping are all part of the same societal problems.

They are not the same. Lumping those two together is like saying stealing a loaf of bread and stealing a million bucks is the same.

Mass murderers feel they have nothing to lose and want to kill as many people as possible. Gang warfare is usually caused by territorial rivalries, vendettas, initiations and the like. Context and circumstance is completely different.

If you remove the gang violence crime out of the picture and base the frequency of shootings strictly on mass murders, then these types of crimes becomes a statistical anomaly. So categorizing them together is both misleading and dishonest.
 
If I walked in on you banging my wife, do you think it would play out differently if I had no gun anywhere near by, or if the wall was covered in loaded guns? People are emotional and often temporarily unstable. Adding a bunch of guns to every situation rarely makes it safer.

But you could still kill him easily. If not with a gun, then maybe a knife. Or you could strangle him with your bare hands. Taking away guns will not prevent murder from happening, it will only change how the murder will have happened..
 
To everyone who thinks banning guns, limiting guns, or anything with guns in the solution - It isn't about guns. The reason people commit mass murder is hatred. The desire to kill groups of people is the problem. Whatever the penalty for illegally owning a firearm even conceivably might be it won't matter. Once a person decides to commit mass murder they have accepted that they are dying that day or rotting on death row. Their life is over. No penalty, no level of making that gun possession illegal won't change it. No one will ever and has ever been ok with being gunned down, shooting themselves, or rotting in prison (the only way these things end) but feeling like the fine for illegal possession is just too much. Even if you remove them from the US all together the internet will still get them here. Stop the seething hatred - stop the mass shootings. There is no other solution.

This might be the most intelligent post I have seen from you-or just about anyone-concerning this issue. You are right-if doing LWOP or dying from gunfire or execution doesn't deter you, doing even 10 years for possessing a banned firearm won't either.
 
Approximately 29,500 bathroom deaths in the past 300 days. Mostly caused by low blood pressure due to sitting on the throne too long. Some from falls when rising or sitting down. BAN TOILETS

No, but most of these feeble attempts at equivalence "fall down" on one important element: every industry, but the gun industry, will do the humane thing (and the patriotic thing) and participate in efforts (and legislation) to make the use of their product safer and improve public safety and each respects public opinion. Only the gun industry will consider no change with complete disregard for public opinion.

The other breakdown in your absurd example was death was caused by the low pressure. The toilet was completely irrelevant.
 
But you could still kill him easily. If not with a gun, then maybe a knife. Or you could strangle him with your bare hands. Taking away guns will not prevent murder from happening, it will only change how the murder will have happened..

Those methods are harder and give them a fighting chance. Blowing them both away with an uzi can extinguish life in a rage in 0.3 seconds flat. No, that's not the same as strangling.

Sprinkling a bunch of guns into a highly charged emotional situation or into the extreme poverty if the ghetto does not make those situations safer.
 
There is a growing number of people in America who are becoming more reclusive and living out their days in front of the computer taking in biased media and hate filled web sites. Many people form online friendships with people who have some pretty radical ideas. Some of the shooters were just convinced that the world intentionally and wrongly left them out of the mix, so they formed a hardened resentment towards society and eventually lashed out.

If anyone thinks that I am wrong, please go right down the list of shootings over the past 15-20 years and you will see that most of the shooters were never mentioned as being social kind of people, or just a regular Joe.
 
I wasn't sure where to put this thread. I didn't want it in the gun control section, as that issue has been beaten to death already, and the mass shootings we're experiencing go a lot deeper than guns per se.

[h=1]Thousand Oaks makes 307 mass shootings in 311 days[/h]


When Obama said that mass shootings just don't happen in other countries to the degree they do here, the Republicans cut the bolded part from his statement and said he was wrong. Trump's contribution to the discussion was to say that the synagogue that was one of the 307 should have had an armed guard.

So, do we now have armed guards at every public gathering where a shooting might occur?



That is far fewer than die by drug overdose, or even by auto accidents. Is it an acceptable number?

The latest shooting happened in California, which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. Are more restrictive gun laws the answer? I'd say, no.

Do we need to all be armed and ready for a Shootout at the OK Corral sort of incident? Who wants to live in such a society? The romanticized "wild west" never was what was shown in the movies after all. We don't need to create a fantasy world that never existed.

But, why is it that the United States, bastion of liberty, has so many incidents of mass shootings, nearly one a day? What is the sickness in our collective soul that makes it OK to go out and shoot people? Is it related to our appetite for illegal drugs? When more people die of drug overdose than of auto accidents, we should start to wonder why so many want to escape reality via chemicals.

Your thoughts?

Sin is rebellion against God. Solving sin in civilization cannot be done by disarming potential victims of gun violence.
 
I wasn't sure where to put this thread. I didn't want it in the gun control section, as that issue has been beaten to death already, and the mass shootings we're experiencing go a lot deeper than guns per se.

[h=1]Thousand Oaks makes 307 mass shootings in 311 days[/h]


When Obama said that mass shootings just don't happen in other countries to the degree they do here, the Republicans cut the bolded part from his statement and said he was wrong. Trump's contribution to the discussion was to say that the synagogue that was one of the 307 should have had an armed guard.

So, do we now have armed guards at every public gathering where a shooting might occur?



That is far fewer than die by drug overdose, or even by auto accidents. Is it an acceptable number?

The latest shooting happened in California, which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. Are more restrictive gun laws the answer? I'd say, no.

Do we need to all be armed and ready for a Shootout at the OK Corral sort of incident? Who wants to live in such a society? The romanticized "wild west" never was what was shown in the movies after all. We don't need to create a fantasy world that never existed.

But, why is it that the United States, bastion of liberty, has so many incidents of mass shootings, nearly one a day? What is the sickness in our collective soul that makes it OK to go out and shoot people? Is it related to our appetite for illegal drugs? When more people die of drug overdose than of auto accidents, we should start to wonder why so many want to escape reality via chemicals.

Your thoughts?

I don't believe this story at all. They said he used extended mags, which are illegal in California. So is carrying a handgun. So is taking one in a bar. So is killing people. This guy couldn't have killed eveyone because it's illegal. And, there were many cops in the bar. Cops, as everyone knows, magically protect everyone from bad guys. So, you see, this story must be made up.
 
I wasn't sure where to put this thread. I didn't want it in the gun control section, as that issue has been beaten to death already, and the mass shootings we're experiencing go a lot deeper than guns per se.

[h=1]Thousand Oaks makes 307 mass shootings in 311 days[/h]


When Obama said that mass shootings just don't happen in other countries to the degree they do here, the Republicans cut the bolded part from his statement and said he was wrong. Trump's contribution to the discussion was to say that the synagogue that was one of the 307 should have had an armed guard.

So, do we now have armed guards at every public gathering where a shooting might occur?



That is far fewer than die by drug overdose, or even by auto accidents. Is it an acceptable number?

The latest shooting happened in California, which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. Are more restrictive gun laws the answer? I'd say, no.

Do we need to all be armed and ready for a Shootout at the OK Corral sort of incident? Who wants to live in such a society? The romanticized "wild west" never was what was shown in the movies after all. We don't need to create a fantasy world that never existed.

But, why is it that the United States, bastion of liberty, has so many incidents of mass shootings, nearly one a day? What is the sickness in our collective soul that makes it OK to go out and shoot people? Is it related to our appetite for illegal drugs? When more people die of drug overdose than of auto accidents, we should start to wonder why so many want to escape reality via chemicals.

Your thoughts?

A good post with good questions.

Like it or not, some of these shootings have been staged, and that certainly skews the statistics somehow or other.

IMO, the planet is over-populated, and humans and other species show socially destructive behavior when too crowded.

It has been demonstrated many times that gun laws tend to make things worse rather than better, and we are an armed society, like it or not.

It's a sticky wicket, for sure.
 
They are not the same. Lumping those two together is like saying stealing a loaf of bread and stealing a million bucks is the same.

Mass murderers feel they have nothing to lose and want to kill as many people as possible. Gang warfare is usually caused by territorial rivalries, vendettas, initiations and the like. Context and circumstance is completely different.

If you remove the gang violence crime out of the picture and base the frequency of shootings strictly on mass murders, then these types of crimes becomes a statistical anomaly. So categorizing them together is both misleading and dishonest.

Is it your opinion, then, that, since the number of people killed in mass shootings is small compared to the number killed by suicide or drug overdoses for example it is not a problem that needs to be addressed?
 
There is a growing number of people in America who are becoming more reclusive and living out their days in front of the computer taking in biased media and hate filled web sites. Many people form online friendships with people who have some pretty radical ideas. Some of the shooters were just convinced that the world intentionally and wrongly left them out of the mix, so they formed a hardened resentment towards society and eventually lashed out.

If anyone thinks that I am wrong, please go right down the list of shootings over the past 15-20 years and you will see that most of the shooters were never mentioned as being social kind of people, or just a regular Joe.

Now you're getting to the point of my OP: The mass shootings that occur are a symptom of deeper societal problems, and not a stand alone problem.
 
No, but most of these feeble attempts at equivalence "fall down" on one important element: every industry, but the gun industry, will do the humane thing (and the patriotic thing) and participate in efforts (and legislation) to make the use of their product safer and improve public safety and each respects public opinion. Only the gun industry will consider no change with complete disregard for public opinion.

The other breakdown in your absurd example was death was caused by the low pressure. The toilet was completely irrelevant.

Such a silly argument against sarcasm. You've managed to dent the space time continuum with that one. :)
 
Now you're getting to the point of my OP: The mass shootings that occur are a symptom of deeper societal problems, and not a stand alone problem.
It is a result of the liberal assault on the family; disrespect for life, disrespect for marriage. A full fledged assault on shared American values. We are living in a post great society world where the left found a short cut to social degradation.....the courts.
We have several generations of over medicated free range boys growing up in a single mother household playing call of duty, watching porn and totally disconnected from society, feeling both entitled and short changed.
It will get worse as long as it is politically incorrect to even discuss the why.

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It is a result of the liberal assault on the family; disrespect for life, disrespect for marriage. A full fledged assault on shared American values. We are living in a post great society world where the left found a short cut to social degradation.....the courts.
We have several generations of over medicated free range boys growing up in a single mother household playing call of duty, watching porn and totally disconnected from society, feeling both entitled and short changed.
It will get worse as long as it is politically incorrect to even discuss the why.

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Liberal assault on the family? Are there really people so simple-minded that they believe crap like that? No wonder your society is so broken with idiots spewing that kind of stupidity.
 
Liberal assault on the family? Are there really people so simple-minded that they believe crap like that? No wonder your society is so broken with idiots spewing that kind of stupidity.
As I said, it's not politically correct to discuss the why.

"Stupid" "simple minded"? Really?

Blaming the weapon for a man's desire to kill random people and himself is a simple answer.







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It is a result of the liberal assault on the family; disrespect for life, disrespect for marriage. A full fledged assault on shared American values. We are living in a post great society world where the left found a short cut to social degradation.....the courts.
We have several generations of over medicated free range boys growing up in a single mother household playing call of duty, watching porn and totally disconnected from society, feeling both entitled and short changed.
It will get worse as long as it is politically incorrect to even discuss the why.

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You are not off-base with the decline of the family being a major contributor to anger and despair. But to blame that on the liberals is both shallow thinking and incorrect. The number 1 threat to the family is divorce, which knows no political bounds. In spite of the fact that divorce is a sin*, it is just as prevalent within the homes of Republicans and Democrats; the evangelical and the atheist.

* - a little more complicated than that.... but divorce followed by re-marriage is generally a sin. From Matthew 5: "....31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’[f] 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery...."
 
You are not off-base with the decline of the family being a major contributor to anger and despair. But to blame that on the liberals is both shallow thinking and incorrect. The number 1 threat to the family is divorce, which knows no political bounds. In spite of the fact that divorce is a sin*, it is just as prevalent within the homes of Republicans and Democrats; the evangelical and the atheist.

* - a little more complicated than that.... but divorce followed by re-marriage is generally a sin. From Matthew 5: "....31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’[f] 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery...."
As it so happens, getting ready to attend a wedding this afternoon. I'll have to get back tomorrow, probably (open bar lol). We may agree on more than not

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Other first world countries don't have the same problems we do, not nearly to the same degree. We're one of the only countries with a large number of nutters that believe literally everyone should have a gun, even violent criminals.



Chicago is actually a great example. If you take a ghetto and then sprinkle a bunch of guns in, it doesn't somehow make it safer. Let's just end all hatred, that's much easier! :roll:



Wow! We just need to get rid of all hatred! That must be what everyone else did.

And what sort of environment do you think will result from restricting the rights of citizens? The problem is that criminals will still have guns and people that abide by the law will not.
 
But, why is it that the United States, bastion of liberty, has so many incidents of mass shootings, nearly one a day? What is the sickness in our collective soul that makes it OK to go out and shoot people? Is it related to our appetite for illegal drugs? When more people die of drug overdose than of auto accidents, we should start to wonder why so many want to escape reality via chemicals.

Your thoughts?

IMO, our society has a ton of disenfranchised males who feel marginalized by the enabling of equal opportunities for women and other minorities. They have poor emotional control and blame everyone else for their failures and problems, including with women, their jobs/employment opportunities, political views, social isolation/bullying, etc.
 
As I said, it's not politically correct to discuss the why.

"Stupid" "simple minded"? Really?

Blaming the weapon for a man's desire to kill random people and himself is a simple answer.

Hey, if you won't discuss something because it's not politically correct, that's on you. And yes, simple-minded stupidity describes every partisan hack from either side who blames the problems in society on leftists or rightards or 'demographics' (a code word for brown people). Your society is fractured, broken into factions, and stupid, simple-minded people address the problem by doing whatever they can to make it worse. Like saying it's all because of a liberal assault on American values. Stupid, simple-minded crap like that.
 
No, but most of these feeble attempts at equivalence "fall down" on one important element: every industry, but the gun industry, will do the humane thing (and the patriotic thing) and participate in efforts (and legislation) to make the use of their product safer and improve public safety and each respects public opinion. Only the gun industry will consider no change with complete disregard for public opinion.

Please suggest how the gun industry can make guns safer (that they havent done or made available already)? How should they recommend people 'use' their product more safely? Training is recommended strongly and publicly by every manufacturer and seller.
 
IMO, our society has a ton of disenfranchised males who feel marginalized by the enabling of equal opportunities for women and other minorities. They have poor emotional control and blame everyone else for their failures and problems, including with women, their jobs/employment opportunities, political views, social isolation/bullying, etc.

Those disenfranchised males, are they all white? Why?
 
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