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More important, why does it matter? Seriously. For as long as I can remember the voice of the left demanded this nation speak with the Russians. John and Oko "Don't they also love their children." How did this all get turned around? How did it all get so f****d up!? Who is bull****ting who?

I'm not sure how 'speak with the Russians' translates to turning a blind eye to them maliciously interfering with our elections.

I don't give a god dam who is top dog. All I want is for my grand children and all those who follow them to not fight another war. Simple and plain. There is no glory in any of this politicization of hate. Show us how brave you are, how courageous to work for a common effort creating a better world. Nothing else matters, no bickering, no dick fights, mine is bigger than yours, none of it. I'm no Christian but I hope my great grandkids enjoy porn and not killing. You are all insane.

I hope someone is offended by my language. I am offended by the intent you all keep displaying.

The Russians are politicizing 'hate' in their meddling, here and in Europe, driving divisions between populations to serve their interests of a weaker and more divided U.S. and Europe. Their propaganda is intended to increase hate, not decrease it, because that is what is good for Russia.
 
More important, why does it matter? Seriously. For as long as I can remember the voice of the left demanded this nation speak with the Russians...

No one has a problem with America as a whole speaking to Russians. But when only one political party works with a hostile foreign power to subvert a presidential election it isn't called 'speaking with', it's called violating federal conspiracy statute 18 U.S.C. § 371

...There is no glory in any of this politicization of hate. Show us how brave you are, how courageous to work for a common effort creating a better world...

When our leader is only interested in helping one political party and not the country as a whole, it's never going to create a better country...
 
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More important, why does it matter? Seriously. For as long as I can remember the voice of the left demanded this nation speak with the Russians. John and Oko "Don't they also love their children." How did this all get turned around? How did it all get so f****d up!? Who is bull****ting who?

I don't give a god dam who is top dog. All I want is for my grand children and all those who follow them to not fight another war. Simple and plain. There is no glory in any of this politicization of hate. Show us how brave you are, how courageous to work for a common effort creating a better world. Nothing else matters, no bickering, no dick fights, mine is bigger than yours, none of it. I'm no Christian but I hope my great grandkids enjoy porn and not killing. You are all insane.

I hope someone is offended by my language. I am offended by the intent you all keep displaying.

It matters because if they needed to lie about it, it sure wasn't for any other reason to protect their own asses from the wrong they were doing. It obvious you folks on the right and trump supporters want to gloss over it because they got their tax cuts. You and people like you are selling out the nation in my opinion.

So be offended.
 
I'm not sure how 'speak with the Russians' translates to turning a blind eye to them maliciously interfering with our elections.



The Russians are politicizing 'hate' in their meddling, here and in Europe, driving divisions between populations to serve their interests of a weaker and more divided U.S. and Europe. Their propaganda is intended to increase hate, not decrease it, because that is what is good for Russia.

Show me with proof of maliciousness, such is occurring?
 
Cry, Cry, Cry, or prove it and shut up.
 
Show me with proof of maliciousness, such is occurring?

I can't catch you up on three years of news. And if you already know the news, and need "malicious" explained and why what they did is not 'benign' I'd be wasting my time.
 
More important, why does it matter?
If Trump campaign staffers were coordinating with foreign entities, that's a very serious crime, as well as incredibly un-American. We should also note that Russia's motive was not to put Republicans into power, but to cripple the US and its allies, so that Putin can basically do whatever he wants without getting hit with those pesky sanctions or, worse yet, pushing NATO to actually provide military resistance to future violent Russian expansions.

Even if Trump is not personally involved, there should be no question that this is very important, and needs to be thoroughly investigated.


Seriously. For as long as I can remember the voice of the left demanded this nation speak with the Russians. John and Oko "Don't they also love their children." How did this all get turned around? How did it all get so f****d up!? Who is bull****ting who?
Uh, hello? It's not 1968 anymore. The left figured out a long, long time ago that the USSR was not paradise. They certainly have never favored Putin, who is a power-hungry, murderous, imperialist, corrupt, homophobic autocrat in charge of an oligarchy. (I.e. he isn't ideological, meaning he isn't a socialist or in favor of free markets; he only pushes whatever is convenient to maintain power.)


I don't give a god dam who is top dog.
So you don't care if foreign governments are deliberately interfering with US elections, with the intent of weakening the United States? Is that because Russia's actions may have helped get Trump elected? That's kind of messed up.
 
How many medical bills could be paid with $30,000,000?

How many hungry people could be fed with $30,000,000?

How many vaccines could be paid for with $30,000,000?

How many girl scout cookies could be bought for $30,000,000?

How many police officers could be sensitivity trained for $30,000,000?

How many serious wounded vets could be treated with $30,000,000 of therapy?

$30,000,000 is the amount spent so far on the Mueller Investigations. Does the return warrant the investment of taxpayer money? If not, should the Democrats pick up the tab? Let's say just Bill and Hil, they can afford the bill.

Mueller has already recouped all the money he has spent and more from Manafort and he is not done yet. Now if we just can get the RNC to pay the bill for the fruitless (and feckless) Benghazi hearings.

Special counsel Robert Mueller secured a win last Friday, with President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, pleading guilty to conspiracy charges and agreeing to cooperate with the ongoing investigation.
Mueller may have also paid for his own investigation.
That’s because, as part of his plea deal with the special counsel, Manafort agreed to forfeit real estate and cash estimated to be worth between $42 million and $46 million.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/17/mueller-probe-could-turn-a-profit-thanks-to-manafort-assets.html
 
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If Trump campaign staffers were coordinating with foreign entities, that's a very serious crime, as well as incredibly un-American. We should also note that Russia's motive was not to put Republicans into power, but to cripple the US and its allies, so that Putin can basically do whatever he wants without getting hit with those pesky sanctions or, worse yet, pushing NATO to actually provide military resistance to future violent Russian expansions.

Even if Trump is not personally involved, there should be no question that this is very important, and needs to be thoroughly investigated.



Uh, hello? It's not 1968 anymore. The left figured out a long, long time ago that the USSR was not paradise. They certainly have never favored Putin, who is a power-hungry, murderous, imperialist, corrupt, homophobic autocrat in charge of an oligarchy. (I.e. he isn't ideological, meaning he isn't a socialist or in favor of free markets; he only pushes whatever is convenient to maintain power.)



So you don't care if foreign governments are deliberately interfering with US elections, with the intent of weakening the United States? Is that because Russia's actions may have helped get Trump elected? That's kind of messed up.

So what?

During various periods of our nation's history we have coordinated business, war games, aid, trade, alliances for and against others, and so on, endlessly, as convenient to the politics of the moment. We have a history for dictating to our interests, outside our borders and we can start Madison.
 
Let's hope mounting pressure forces Chump to leave office sooner than later. If and when probable cause suggests past and present criminal activity engaged in by Chump and members of the Chump Clan, then pursue criminal indictments. When appropriate, use RICO Laws and other appropriate Laws to confiscate their assets.
 
So what?

During various periods of our nation's history we have coordinated business, war games, aid, trade, alliances for and against others, and so on, endlessly, as convenient to the politics of the moment. We have a history for dictating to our interests, outside our borders and we can start Madison.
So US law doesn't exist, because we held war games abroad? Are you for reals?

Would you be fine if Trump was literally taking orders from Putin, too? That work for you?

If we found proof that Putin funded the Obama campaign and hacked the Romney campaign's servers, would you shrug at that too?

I've never supported the US government undermining democratic elections in sovereign nations. Those types of tactics are illegitimate, even when it's the US indulging in them. (Wow, consistency -- what a concept!)

Also... You view alliances and trade as equally illegitimate as covert interference with a democratic election in a foreign nation? Again, are you for reals?
 
So US law doesn't exist, because we held war games abroad? Are you for reals?

Would you be fine if Trump was literally taking orders from Putin, too? That work for you?

If we found proof that Putin funded the Obama campaign and hacked the Romney campaign's servers, would you shrug at that too?

I've never supported the US government undermining democratic elections in sovereign nations. Those types of tactics are illegitimate, even when it's the US indulging in them. (Wow, consistency -- what a concept!)

Also... You view alliances and trade as equally illegitimate as covert interference with a democratic election in a foreign nation? Again, are you for reals?

Are you for real, will you ignore history because you find it inconvenient?
 
Considering that tax payers spent 17 million bucks in a month and a half for Trump campaign stops during the recent midterms and only reimbursed 121K by the RNC, I think we're getting our money's worth from Muller.
 
If Trump campaign staffers were coordinating with foreign entities, that's a very serious crime, as well as incredibly un-American. We should also note that Russia's motive was not to put Republicans into power, but to cripple the US and its allies, so that Putin can basically do whatever he wants without getting hit with those pesky sanctions or, worse yet, pushing NATO to actually provide military resistance to future violent Russian expansions.

Even if Trump is not personally involved, there should be no question that this is very important, and needs to be thoroughly investigated.



Uh, hello? It's not 1968 anymore. The left figured out a long, long time ago that the USSR was not paradise. They certainly have never favored Putin, who is a power-hungry, murderous, imperialist, corrupt, homophobic autocrat in charge of an oligarchy. (I.e. he isn't ideological, meaning he isn't a socialist or in favor of free markets; he only pushes whatever is convenient to maintain power.)



So you don't care if foreign governments are deliberately interfering with US elections, with the intent of weakening the United States? Is that because Russia's actions may have helped get Trump elected? That's kind of messed up.



I don't care. I find all of you paranoid fools having a nervous breakdown. Nothing that has been done or will be done in any of this will effect your life or mine. Perhaps you need a real life, to stop living in a fantasy? Leave me out of it.
 
Are you for real, will you ignore history because you find it inconvenient?
Read my post. I'm not ignoring history. What I'm saying is:

• When the US engages in illegal interference in democratic elections in sovereign nations, that is not legitimate, and not acceptable.

• There is a huge difference between, say, covert actions intended to undermine a sovereign nation, and voluntary arrangements like providing foreign aid, making a trade agreement, making alliances. Even using a war game to pressure a nearby nation is a legitimate act, albeit a risky one, and is not even remotely comparable to illegally interfering in a democratic election.

It is absolutely astounding to hear people blow off this type of illegal foreign interference in a campaign -- especially since Russia's purpose wasn't even to elect a specific candidate, it's to undermine the legitimacy of America's elections and government.
 
I don't care. I find all of you paranoid fools having a nervous breakdown. Nothing that has been done or will be done in any of this will effect your life or mine. Perhaps you need a real life, to stop living in a fantasy? Leave me out of it.
If you don't care, or if you genuinely believe that nothing about politics matters, then why are you participating in this conversation?
 
I don't care. I find all of you paranoid fools having a nervous breakdown. Nothing that has been done or will be done in any of this will effect your life or mine. Perhaps you need a real life, to stop living in a fantasy? Leave me out of it.

How in Sam Hill did this thread stretch to twenty pages? :doh
 
Read my post. I'm not ignoring history. What I'm saying is:

• When the US engages in illegal interference in democratic elections in sovereign nations, that is not legitimate, and not acceptable.

• There is a huge difference between, say, covert actions intended to undermine a sovereign nation, and voluntary arrangements like providing foreign aid, making a trade agreement, making alliances. Even using a war game to pressure a nearby nation is a legitimate act, albeit a risky one, and is not even remotely comparable to illegally interfering in a democratic election.

It is absolutely astounding to hear people blow off this type of illegal foreign interference in a campaign -- especially since Russia's purpose wasn't even to elect a specific candidate, it's to undermine the legitimacy of America's elections and government.

You see a difference, I see partisan hypocritical propaganda.

I care about all the lies people tell themselves.
 
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