28 Million Mail-In Ballots Missing

[Moderate Right]

Seems to me like the left really ought to listen to Trump if they want to win the election.



28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections | RealClearPolitics!

 

[chuckiechan]

Seems to me like the left really ought to listen to Trump if they want to win the election.



28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections | RealClearPolitics!

Joe’s going to need a bigger basement.

 

[Anagram]

Aren't these just the ballots that were mailed to voters and then not sent back? So if a voter is mailed a ballot and is to lazy to fill it out that makes it "missing"? Missing seems like a weird term to describe that.

 

[Exquisitor]

Seems to me like the left really ought to listen to Trump if they want to win the election.

28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections | RealClearPolitics!

Sure, so many ballots were mailed out and only so many mailed back in.

 

[Drawdown]

Look around the Postmaster General's front bushes. As many as the "disenfranchised" were sticking in his door, you will probably recover most of them.

 

[Ikari]

Aren't these just the ballots that were mailed to voters and then not sent back? So if a voter is mailed a ballot and is to lazy to fill it out that makes it "missing"? Missing seems like a weird term to describe that.

That would be included in that number, yes. That's part of the problem, that number is trotted out a lot but it's never broken down. People could have gotten a ballot and just never returned it. It could have been delivered to the wrong address or not at all, it could have been intercepted somehow. Though the article claims that there's no evidence that any of these "missing" ballots were ever used fraudulently.

So it's a pretty worthless number. We don't know what "missing" really means. Surely if people received their ballot but never sent it in, that's fine. It's their prerogative to not vote.

But to use it as a condemnation of mail-in voting overall is shortsighted. For instance, CO has ballot tracking. I know when my ballot is mailed to me. If I don't get it, I can contact my local government and say "Bro...didn't get my ballot". I can get it taken care of before election day. I know when my ballot is received by election officials after I send it back. I also know when my ballot has been counted. So all this 28 million blah blah blah is a broken record that gets trotted out, but the number is pretty much worthless, and there's already methods to circumvent it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The other day a judge told Trump he's going to have to deposit indisputable proof of widespread voter fraud re mail-in ballots, so to all those who are just chock-sure that it's happening, this IS YOUR MOMENT IN THE SUN...errr...excuse me...

 

[Mr Person]

Seems to me like the left really ought to listen to Trump if they want to win the election.



28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections | RealClearPolitics!

"The left" should "listen to Trump" - aka turn against mail-in voting - or else Trump will win, because of 28 million ballots that weren't returned/used? You should think out the partisan hackery you intend to spew before you spew it, since the only way that functions logically is if you are implying that otherwise, Trumpists will use those 28 million ballots to cast fraudulent mail-in votes, thus making Trump wins.

And others have covered the rest of the massive faults in your post.

 

[americanwoman]

Seems to me like the left really ought to listen to Trump if they want to win the election.



28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections | RealClearPolitics!

Yes, a man who can say Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV is someone we should all listen to.

And an OP that doesn't have many facts to back up a misleading headline, not so much. :lol:


Did 28 Million Mail-In Ballots Go 'Missing' in Last Four Elections?

What's True
Some 28 million ballots sent out to voters over the course of four elections from 2012 to 2018 were neither returned as undeliverable nor returned by voters.

What's False
The 28 million figure primarily represents uncast (rather than "missing") ballots and is not indicative of widespread voter fraud (nor necessarily indicative of the potential for such).

[FONT=&quot]On April 24, 2020, the RealClearPolitics website published an article by Mark Hemingway headlined “28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections.” Drawing on a [/FONT]report[FONT=&quot] from the [/FONT]Public Interest Legal Foundation[FONT=&quot] (PILF), which was in turn drawn from data compiled by the [/FONT]U.S. Election Assistance Commission[FONT=&quot] (EAC), the RealClearPolitics article sought to raise the alarm about the supposed election fraud perils of the mail-in balloting process:[/FONT]

The headline and opening of the article, particularly in their use of the word “missing,” left many readers with the impression that millions and millions of voters expected to receive ballots in the mail that mysteriously never arrived, or filled out and mailed in ballots that simply vanished without ever being counted.

But as the EAC observed in response, those 28 million “missing” ballots were ones that were “neither returned undeliverable nor returned from voter” — in other words, ballots mailed out in multiple states over the course of four elections that were not marked and sent back. Declaring such ballots “missing” is, as many others noted, akin to declaring all the millions of Americans who don’t bother showing up at polling places each election (some 40 to 60% of the eligible voting population) as “missing”

 

[lwf]

Seems to me like the left really ought to listen to Trump if they want to win the election.

28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections | RealClearPolitics!

So what is your conclusion? That the post office lost these ballots?

 

[beefheart]

Seems to me like the left really ought to listen to Trump if they want to win the election.



28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections | RealClearPolitics!

Big swing and a miss.

If a ballot is sent to someone, and they don't vote, that shouldn't be counted as "went missing" should it?

 

[Moderate Right]

That would be included in that number, yes. That's part of the problem, that number is trotted out a lot but it's never broken down. People could have gotten a ballot and just never returned it. It could have been delivered to the wrong address or not at all, it could have been intercepted somehow. Though the article claims that there's no evidence that any of these "missing" ballots were ever used fraudulently.

So it's a pretty worthless number. We don't know what "missing" really means. Surely if people received their ballot but never sent it in, that's fine. It's their prerogative to not vote.

But to use it as a condemnation of mail-in voting overall is shortsighted. For instance, CO has ballot tracking. I know when my ballot is mailed to me. If I don't get it, I can contact my local government and say "Bro...didn't get my ballot". I can get it taken care of before election day. I know when my ballot is received by election officials after I send it back. I also know when my ballot has been counted. So all this 28 million blah blah blah is a broken record that gets trotted out, but the number is pretty much worthless, and there's already methods to circumvent it.

Really destroys the left's myth of voter suppression when these so called voters received 28 million ballots but didn't want to vote anyway.

 

[Moderate Right]

"The left" should "listen to Trump" - aka turn against mail-in voting - or else Trump will win, because of 28 million ballots that weren't returned/used? You should think out the partisan hackery you intend to spew before you spew it, since the only way that functions logically is if you are implying that otherwise, Trumpists will use those 28 million ballots to cast fraudulent mail-in votes, thus making Trump wins.

And others have covered the rest of the massive faults in your post.

28 million

 

[Ikari]

And others have covered the rest of the massive faults in your post.

The problem is that they've trotted out this article so many times, that it's already been completely trounced. For some reason they think they have some form of point with this 28 million uncast ballots thing. The typical Trumpeteer tactic is to regurgitate a lie or misleading information over and over again so much that it eventually becomes accepted as totally accurate. Which I suspect is the goal here with their 28 million uncast ballots over 6 years number. They want it to be accepted as a sign of fraud and that mail-in doesn't work. But it doesn't actually say anything to that effect. So they'll repeat it over and over again, hoping the deception gets taken for accuracy at some point.

 

[Moderate Right]

Big swing and a miss.

If a ballot is sent to someone, and they don't vote, that shouldn't be counted as "went missing" should it?

Just destroys the left's myth of voter suppression. When these people are purged for either dying, moving, or not voting in several elections, the left claim voter suppression and yet here we've got 28 million people who could have been purged and it wouldn't have made one bit of difference. But, if you try purging these 28 million people, the left call it voter suppression. It's not voter suppression when these 28 million potential purges are proven to never mail in their ballots anyway.

 

[Ikari]

Really destroys the left's myth of voter suppression when these so called voters received 28 million ballots but didn't want to vote anyway.

Half the voting population doesn't vote, so what? Just because people didn't return mail in ballots doesn't mean that it's OK to launch a war on the USPS, undercut it at every turn, turn off sorting machines, sue states for wanting to put in secure drop boxes, etc. Many of us do vote and do want to vote by mail. Just because some people don't doesn't mean that you can then attack my ability to do so.

Your article destroys nothing. It's just a factoid that your side has been trying to turn into propaganda, but has done a real **** job at it.

 

[Exquisitor]

So what is your conclusion? That the post office lost these ballots?

People failed to mail them in.

One out of five people who request a ballot don't mail it in.

 

[Moderate Right]

The problem is that they've trotted out this article so many times, that it's already been completely trounced. For some reason they think they have some form of point with this 28 million uncast ballots thing. The typical Trumpeteer tactic is to regurgitate a lie or misleading information over and over again so much that it eventually becomes accepted as totally accurate. Which I suspect is the goal here with their 28 million uncast ballots over 6 years number. They want it to be accepted as a sign of fraud and that mail-in doesn't work. But it doesn't actually say anything to that effect. So they'll repeat it over and over again, hoping the deception gets taken for accuracy at some point.

The point is, if we try purging these same 28 million people the left call it voter suppression.

 

[Moderate Right]

Half the voting population doesn't vote, so what? Just because people didn't return mail in ballots doesn't mean that it's OK to launch a war on the USPS, undercut it at every turn, turn off sorting machines, sue states for wanting to put in secure drop boxes, etc. Many of us do vote and do want to vote by mail. Just because some people don't doesn't mean that you can then attack my ability to do so.

Your article destroys nothing. It's just a factoid that your side has been trying to turn into propaganda, but has done a real **** job at it.

Ummmmmm, the postal service has been a failure for years.

 

[Ikari]

Ummmmmm, the postal service has been a failure for years.

It hasn't, but even if it has, that doesn't mean one gets to appoint a toadie to Postmaster General to undercut the USPS, shut down sorting machines, and refuse funding for the specific reason of discouraging and negatively impacting mail-in voting.

you're on the wrong side of history on this one.

 

[lwf]

The point is, if we try purging these same 28 million people the left call it voter suppression.

That would be voter suppression. Just because I didn't choose to vote in the last two elections doesn't mean I don't intend to vote in this one.

 

[Rawley]

Aren't these just the ballots that were mailed to voters and then not sent back? So if a voter is mailed a ballot and is to lazy to fill it out that makes it "missing"? Missing seems like a weird term to describe that.

What would you call them?

 

[Rawley]

That would be voter suppression. Just because I didn't choose to vote in the last two elections doesn't mean I don't intend to vote in this one.

Then mail back in the verification. This is not rocket science here.

 

[tres borrachos]

Really destroys the left's myth of voter suppression when these so called voters received 28 million ballots but didn't want to vote anyway.

My uncle in Arizona got his mail ballot as he always did. He died in October of 2016. We found his mail ballot in his house with other papers. He wanted to vote. He died and couldn't vote. He was not a "so called" voter. He was dead.

Thread fail, as usual.

Just how in love with Trump are you these days?

 

[grainbelt]

Seems to me like the left really ought to listen to Trump if they want to win the election.



28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections | RealClearPolitics!

Sounds like trump and Republicans should do their damn jobs and support what the people want. We want safe, fair, and free elections and right now that includes mail in ballots. Better gtf to work trump. Oh wait. He hasnt. Hes been trashing what the people want for months. Hes also been spinning misinformation to his base that coronavirus isnt a threat.

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