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25 to Life

Gandhi>Bush

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A new game coming out entitled 25 to Life where players can be either a gangster or cop and can kill cops and gangsters is set to hit Xbox and PS2 this fall. "It makes Grand Theft Auto look like Romper Room," says Senator Charles Schumer.

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Should it be banned? Blah blah 1st Amendment blah blah. Get after it!
 

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No, it shouldn't be banned because there is proper labeling so that Parents will know what is being played.
 

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One of the issues is that the Senator is saying that the businesses in NY should refuse to sell this product. What do you think about that?

While we couldn't force someone to sell the game, that doesn't mean that I'm not going to find some way to buy it.

Personally, I think the ratings system is enough.
 

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Gandhi>Bush said:
One of the issues is that the Senator is saying that the businesses in NY should refuse to sell this product. What do you think about that?

While we couldn't force someone to sell the game, that doesn't mean that I'm not going to find some way to buy it.

Personally, I think the ratings system is enough.
I think you are right, the rating system is enough. Trying to persuade businesses from selling will not work. People open businesses to make money. If the game is popular and people want to buy it, then they will carry it.
 

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Yeah, honestly, I agree. I think that if some business don't want to stock it then so be it, but you can't just ban it.
 

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Banning wouldn't make it past the courts. Or at least it shouldn't. For the same reasons porn and other distasteful things aren't banned, you're not going to be able to ban this. I think it's in poor taste. I think it's really stupid. But I don't think you can ban it.

You might be able to make violent games such as this illegal for persons under a certain age to purchase. But how's not much of a solution. How many under aged people have drinking problems? The way to deal with this begins at home with the parents. They need to be responsible and raise their children in an environment that would value human life. If the parents do that then even if some kid does play the game it wouldn't be anything but a game. A really stupid game, but just a game.
 

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Let the market decide IMO. :wow: The second time in one day I am agreeing with the lefties. I need a beer and quick. :shock: :drink
 

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:think: Is that possible?
 
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This is a really good question. How much is too much?

In my opinion, a video game cannot directly cause anyone to commit any action. However, I am also not suggesting that it cannot be a factor in an action. For instance, playing GTA (that's Grand Theft Auto for you older non-XBOX playing members of our forum ;) ) will be the catalyst in a life of cop killing and auto theft, it may convey an incorrect message to an impressionable mind (and there are impressionable minds out there). And while it is always a hard call when dealing with censorship, it is unfortunately evident that some parents really do not take any kind of active role in what their childs are exposed to or even surrounded by. Can such elements as incredibly realistic video games involving murdering anyone (cops or otherwise) have a numbing effect on children? And if so, what is the price of censorship in this situation? Without going too far down a slippery slope, how much is lost in telling a video game company that they are not allowed to make a product with such violence in it?
 

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sebastiansdreams said:
This is a really good question. How much is too much?

In my opinion, a video game cannot directly cause anyone to commit any action. However, I am also not suggesting that it cannot be a factor in an action. For instance, playing GTA (that's Grand Theft Auto for you older non-XBOX playing members of our forum ;) ) will be the catalyst in a life of cop killing and auto theft, it may convey an incorrect message to an impressionable mind (and there are impressionable minds out there). And while it is always a hard call when dealing with censorship, it is unfortunately evident that some parents really do not take any kind of active role in what their childs are exposed to or even surrounded by. Can such elements as incredibly realistic video games involving murdering anyone (cops or otherwise) have a numbing effect on children? And if so, what is the price of censorship in this situation? Without going too far down a slippery slope, how much is lost in telling a video game company that they are not allowed to make a product with such violence in it?
I think they should be allowed to make whatever kind of games they want, and just have a rating on it.

I don't see how playing a game effects anyone's real life actions. It's like how the some people, after columbine, blamed Doom for it's violent content and influence on these 18 year old guys. Come on.
 

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Hi all - it's my first post.

Anyway - I'm going to agree with most of you. I don't want these politicians telling me what games I can and cannot buy.

Is is possible that some games might at some point down the road cause people to be more violent? Sure it is - but there are a lot of factors that lead to violence. To track down all of these factors and make them illegal is not in the realm of sound law enforcement - its social engineering - its an attempt to control people's environments so that they behave the way you want them to. Just punish the violent act, I say.

It seems that Senator Schumer is very crafty at getting his name in the news for something that he ever doesn't intend to follow up on. If I sold games, I'd be very watchful over what my customers (and their parents) think, but I wouldn't care at all about what Chuck has to say.
 

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Again, Strike of the dumbest occupation of all time... "Politican". They only care about what would make them look best in the eyes of the public, there's NO reason to ban any type of game at all. Unless it has the complete layouts of of everyone's credit card number, but that's a criminal offense. I'm 16 and I'm a "Gamer", though I could care less for Grand Theft Auto I have no problem with a fellow human playing that game... games give a sense of Ultra Reality, most games are popular because we can't do those actions in real lilfe and trying to manipulate them would be damned near impossible.


Boy, do I hate politicans.
 

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the problem isnt the game, its the parenting. about 10 years ago when i was 15, i could have played this game and not have been effected at all because my dad had enough sense to teach me that police officers are people you should honor and respect. that and the fact that im a bit on the cowboy side and being a gangster really isnt appealing to me. but there are a lot of kids, especially today, who dont have that kind of reinforcment. they see the commercial for it, demand that their passive parents buy it for them, and think its cool to do what they do in the game. constitution says they have the right to make it so i guess theres not much argument here.

did anyone else go to the website and see the "gangster" character? he's holding like a Mack 10 with his wifebeater tucked into his underwear haha. what a joke.
 

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I think a good solution to the problem of whether or not someone might be affected by a game would be some sort of intelligence test. If someone is stupid (or impressionable) enough to commit a crime because they played a game then they do not need to be playing it. I guess this wouldn't really apply for children because kids are impressionable, but for everyone above the age of, lets say, 13.
 

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I have never been a fan of banning any type of game. It is true that many games today go way over the line of what some would call fun. I however believe that the parent should be responsible enough to know what kind of game their child is playing at home. I think the ratings system is fine the way it is. A game can only go so far before it gets hit with the AO (Adult Only) rating, which is like selling porn. So if they really wanted to get it off the shelf that is all they would have to do.
 
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