We've been over this. It doesnt matter what you would have wanted or 'who you believed you were'...and I've provided the support of my opinion more than once that you cannot and certainly are not entitled to (nor the govt) to assume the same for others.
My point of view for virtually all posting here is imagining myself on the receiving end of whatever it is:
In order to assess slavery, allow me to be slave and see what it's like, and whether I'd buy into it.
In order to assess Indian Reservations, allow me to live on one for a month and see if I'd move my family there.
In order to assess abortion, let me be aborted, then report back on what I think of it.
The people that wrote the laws for slavery could never have been slaves themselves. The lawmakers who established reservations don't live on them. The people who allow abortion could never be aborted.
How much easier is it to write a law about enslaving people, when one isn't going to be enslaved themselves?
How much easier is it to write a law allowing abortion, when one has no chance of being aborted?
It's a really simple pattern.
I'm hoping that's a typo and that the name you intended was Desanctis.
Supreme Court upholds Indiana abortion law on disposal of fetal remains | PBS NewsHour
I'm hoping that's a typo and that the name you intended was Desanctis.
Supreme Court upholds Indiana abortion law on disposal of fetal remains | PBS NewsHour
No typos but thank you for providing new information that is relevant to the discussion. He broke the law.
Still doesnt mean he murdered them.
How do you know it won't? Someone could stab me to death and hack me apart.
BTW, the fetus does not feel anything in abortion.
If Karma existed.
Feeling is irrelevant.
What????
What is the source of our rights?
And dont bother with 'natural rights,' it's no more than just another philosophy and if it's not, please post the biology studies that prove animals have rights. Commonly, religious people try to use 'natural rights' as an end run around their religiuos arguments, since they know they cant use those in discussions regarding American law...but 'natural rights' are just another appeal to a higher authority.
No, natural rights are an appeal to the nature of man--what things are necessary for his survival as man. You can believe that without believing in a higher being.
lol i didnt make one YOU did
here it is again:
Ill ask you again, please post links and facts to support this claim, thanks!
Reasons Women Get Abortions: The Statistics Aren't What You Expect - "99.31% of all abortions are therefore performed for social or economic reasons."
You have no clue what is American and un-American. And, to deny abortion isn't used for birth control is idiotic. Most abortions are for the purpose of selfish sexual desires. 99% of them are for the ending of a life for the purpose of personal prideful convenience. And, yes. They would have been adopted.
Reasons Women Get Abortions: The Statistics Aren't What You Expect - "99.31% of all abortions are therefore performed for social or economic reasons."
Reasons Women Get Abortions: The Statistics Aren't What You Expect - "99.31% of all abortions are therefore performed for social or economic reasons."
You have no clue what is American and un-American. And, to deny abortion isn't used for birth control is idiotic. Most abortions are for the purpose of selfish sexual desires. 99% of them are for the ending of a life for the purpose of personal prideful convenience. And, yes. They would have been adopted.
The stats that are out there indicate most women who choose abortion are of lower economic status that makes supporting oneself and keeping a roof over your head problematic. The stats out there say she is likely to have a child at home already....which ups the struggle and concern for that child.You aren't a woman, you've never been pregnant, your have no concept of the emotional and physical demands of pregnancy. You also have never been poor and pregnant. How would you know what financial demands there are on a pregnant woman that make an abortion the only choice for her and her family.
How do you know that 99% of abortions are ended for "personal prideful convenience"? You don't have any statistics, facts, articles, studies, anything that shows the reason for 99% of abortions. This is just angry, conservative, anti-woman, sexism talking..... and out of that anger comes the truth as you see it. Women get abortions because they are over-sexed, prideful and selfish.
And that's where discussions about abortion needs to start...... the attitude of anti-abortion males. Until that gets discussed the conversation about abortion is nothing more than a bunch of silly coverup stories about the rights of little unborn babies, DNA, C-sections and adoptions and phony concerns for women's emotional state.
I think what he's saying is: If Karma was real then most likely if you aborted your own baby then in your next (potential) life you likewise will be aborted. Thus ending any possibility of your own existence. And your feelings would not change that "truth."What????
Another weak, evasive response. You’re the one dodging and lying, repeatedly, from the beginning of the debate.
Factually, you have provided zero evidence to support your ignorant assumption. You just keep posting the above bolded nonsense sourced from your uninformed brain.
I have provided multiple supporting sources that 100% prove what I’ve been saying, human fetuses are not correctly identified as humans. Fetuses, or human fetuses, but not humans (singly).
SCOTUS has ruled that fetuses have no rights until the point in gestation when they become “viable”. If the fetuses had “human” status at any point prior to viability, terminating the pregnancy would be murder, but it isn’t because our judicial/legal system and Constitution grant no rights to fetuses, as it should be. Even the AMA does not refer to human fetuses/fetuses as “humans”.
Refresh your memory with my previous post that includes links to numerous sources that fully validate my point.
https://www.debatepolitics.com/abor...nd-abortionists-garage-22.html#post1070627924
If you want to continue to disagree at this point, stop **** talking and put up an actual argument with links to references supporting your belief.
I think what he's saying is: If Karma was real then most likely if you aborted your own baby then in your next (potential) life you likewise will be aborted. Thus ending any possibility of your own existence. And your feelings would not change that "truth."
I guess we're all going to have to wait for his return to set us all straight. Maybe he was talking about the weather.Not exactly. He mentioned a hypothetical. If Karma existed it would not be so hypothetical.
As for feelings. He seemed to imply that lack of feeling meant it was ok to kill an innocent human being.
My mistake in word choice. I know that a fetus, at any stage, doesn’t have rights, but at the point of viability can be protected by state laws.The unborn don't have rights until birth. Viability does not confer rights, it's just the point when the state has a right to protect it. See Roe v. Wade Section 9a, and get your facts right before talking down to someone else.
And? theres still nothing there that supports your claim. Even a biased link doesnt support you LMAO. Did you forget the nonsense you said?
here ill remind you
So here we are int he same spot, please support your claim above with one fact that makes titrue, thanks!
I gave it to you. You don't want to open it up, that's on you. See no good, hear no good, smell no good, feel no good. That's what is going on here.
You have no clue what is American and un-American. And, to deny abortion isn't used for birth control is idiotic. Most abortions are for the purpose of selfish sexual desires. 99% of them are for the ending of a life for the purpose of personal prideful convenience. And, yes. They would have been adopted.
Actually in 2004 at least 12 percent and up to 25 percent of women had abortions for health reasons.
12 percent aborted for the woman’s health and
13 percent aborted because of possible fetal health reasons.
Do you think health is a social or economic reason?
TABLE 2. Percentage of women reporting that specified reasons contributed to their decision to have an abortion, 2004 and 1987 page 4
https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf
LMAO thats what I thought, you got caught making stuff up and now you lash out. Make up whatever lie you want theres nothing in it that makes YOUR claims factually true . . not one thing . .
heres your statement:
now ill ask you AGAIN, please post one fact that makes your claim truthful . . ONE . . . .you cant :shrug:
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