2020 Election audits ballot count doesn't match Maricopa tally.

[W_Heisenberg]

keeping the conversation going is the goal.

this. 100 percent.

it’s all a propaganda campaign

 

[MTAtech]

From this Slate article:
The breadcrumbs that Logan, Petersen, and Fann laid out in the hearing were enough to preview what is likely in store when Logan releases his report in the weeks ahead.* Without specifically challenging the vote count, Logan spent much of the hearing dropping outrageous-sounding numbers of suspicious vote tallies to insinuate fraud without actually proving anything. This appears to be Logan’s ultimate game plan, straight out of the Kraken playbook: Drop dozens of disproven or easily disprovable charges into a report, claim there is a massive cover-up of election fraud, and wave his hands at the big picture even as his charges are easily shown, one by one, to be lies.
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Perhaps more troubling was the implication, repeated throughout the hearing, that Logan’s work is not complete and won’t be complete until he is allowed to subpoena more materials from the county or do a countywide canvass of voters, which the Department of Justice has warned the Arizona Senate could violate federal laws against voter intimidation.

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What we can take from this is they haven't proven anything. If they did, they wouldn't be asking for even more 'evidence.' They would have had enough to show what they intended, that Trump won Arizona. They got nothing.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

From this Slate article:
The breadcrumbs that Logan, Petersen, and Fann laid out in the hearing were enough to preview what is likely in store when Logan releases his report in the weeks ahead.* Without specifically challenging the vote count, Logan spent much of the hearing dropping outrageous-sounding numbers of suspicious vote tallies to insinuate fraud without actually proving anything. This appears to be Logan’s ultimate game plan, straight out of the Kraken playbook: Drop dozens of disproven or easily disprovable charges into a report, claim there is a massive cover-up of election fraud, and wave his hands at the big picture even as his charges are easily shown, one by one, to be lies.
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Perhaps more troubling was the implication, repeated throughout the hearing, that Logan’s work is not complete and won’t be complete until he is allowed to subpoena more materials from the county or do a countywide canvass of voters, which the Department of Justice has warned the Arizona Senate could violate federal laws against voter intimidation.

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What we can take from this is they haven't proven anything. If they did, they wouldn't be asking for even more 'evidence.' They would have had enough to show what they intended, that Trump won Arizona. They got nothing.

great article. Sums everything up perfectly

 

[The Baron]

I think there are very few actual libertarians. If Republicans actually enacted libertarian policies, 80 percent of their party would simply leave the party.

I agree with this far more than I can to. But the truth is that Republicans simply lack the courage of their convictions.

Democrats have no brains. Republicans have no balls.

The truth is Republican voters LOVE the government when the government is helping them, and they hate the government when the government is helping someone else.

Well said and another reason I left the Republican party.

 

[CaughtInThe]

this. 100 percent.

it’s all a propaganda campaign

And it's working on dumb asses.

 

[TimPatriot]

We have accountability. The election was recounted.

You lost. It's just that simple.

Real audits were never done, just recounts by the same corrupt people (like Raffensperger) that ran the elections to begin with.

Embrace the audit wave. It will save this country from the elites controlling everyone and everything. You should support that, unless you are one of them or think you will be better off sucking up to them.

 

[beerftw]

Glorified virus scans.

So what exact testing did Cyber Ninjas do on the voting equipment? Be specific.

Big question what did the two arizona audits maricopa touts do, simple answer I have to dig it up but on their website they mentioned only scanning for foreign malware, not checking for intentional manipulation by county workers, and a tiny fragment of the vote as a hand recount, and none of it checking if they were even legal just recounting by hand and assuming all the votes were legit.

The problem here is the previous 2 audits were not audits, it would be like the govt auditing a multi billion dollar company and stopping at they said they had 13 fax machines and they did, so everything else must be correct lets not look any further. Neither of the previous two audits were audits by any standards and maricopa county even put on their website exactly what the previous two audits did.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Real audits were never done, just recounts by the same corrupt people (like Raffensperger) that ran the elections to begin with.

What evidence do you have that he is corrupt?

Embrace the audit wave.

Republicans control most state legislatures and state governments, so there is nothing stopping Republicans in most states from conducting audits, but they're not doing them. Why? Why isn't there an audit wave already?

It will save this country from the elites controlling everyone and everything. You should support that, unless you are one of them or think you will be better off sucking up to them.

Diminishing the control that elites have on our political system is not an actual coherent policy or useful goal.

Let's imagine a scenario where the elite in our country is diminished. What happens after that? Do you think everything will magically get better? If you don't like the "elite", fine, but what comes next? What policies would you advocate for then?

 

[Hatuey]

Just gonna point out, there is no mainstream media in the source. Not one article.

 

[TimPatriot]

What evidence do you have that he is corrupt?



Republicans control most state legislatures and state governments, so there is nothing stopping Republicans in most states from conducting audits, but they're not doing them. Why? Why isn't there an audit wave already?

You still playing this game? As if it is Dems vs GOP? Doesn't work that way and I think you know it very well. The elites, the uniparty, protect their own. Trump and grass roots is their enemy.

Diminishing the control that elites have on our political system is not an actual coherent policy or useful goal.

Liz Cheney? Is that you? Mitch? Chucky? Nancy?

These people have been in office for decades. What do they have to show for it? They have acquired immense personal wealth at the public trough or trading on insider info and meanwhile our nation is wracked with debt and immersed in forever wars. It is not only THE most coherent policy but a requirement if our nation is to survive to remove these incompetent, self serving cretins from their control of media, big tech, and government.

Let's imagine a scenario where the elite in our country is diminished. What happens after that? Do you think everything will magically get better? If you don't like the "elite", fine, but what comes next? What policies would you advocate for then?

Trump was doing it. The people were loving it, even despite his sometimes caustic persona. He won, big time. Fraud is proving out as the people are demanding and getting transparency as to what really happened on 11/3. Here is a taste of what is known and what is coming...

https://rumble.com/vjt3pj-math-wars-we-have-the-plans-to-the-dominion-death-star..html

 

[Hamish Howl]

Real audits were never done, just recounts by the same corrupt people (like Raffensperger) that ran the elections to begin with.

Embrace the audit wave. It will save this country from the elites controlling everyone and everything. You should support that, unless you are one of them or think you will be better off sucking up to them.

Sounds a little crazy, dude.

 

[Hamish Howl]

AP FACT CHECK: Trump makes false claims about Arizona audit

PHOENIX (AP) — Former President Donald Trump issued three statements in two days falsely claiming that voting fraud and irregularities cost him Arizona's electoral votes. Trump relied on comments made Thursday by contractors hired by state Senate Republicans to oversee a partisan review of the...

apnews.com

 

[mike2810]

Big question what did the two arizona audits maricopa touts do, simple answer I have to dig it up but on their website they mentioned only scanning for foreign malware, not checking for intentional manipulation by county workers, and a tiny fragment of the vote as a hand recount, and none of it checking if they were even legal just recounting by hand and assuming all the votes were legit.

The problem here is the previous 2 audits were not audits, it would be like the govt auditing a multi billion dollar company and stopping at they said they had 13 fax machines and they did, so everything else must be correct lets not look any further. Neither of the previous two audits were audits by any standards and maricopa county even put on their website exactly what the previous two audits did.

You did not answer my question. I asked what specific tests did Cyber Ninjas / CyFir run.

Prove a link to back up you statements about the previous Maricopa County audits.
Prove that the two previous audits were not audits.

Provide links to reports that refute the information linked below.

Auditing Elections Equipment In Maricopa County | Maricopa County, AZ

Maricopa County forensic audit results.

www.maricopa.gov

Backup your statement with sources or you are just posting talking points from unknown source.
"Neither of the previous two audits were audits by any standards and maricopa county even put on their website exactly what the previous two audits did.

 

[beerftw]

You did not answer my question. I asked what specific tests did Cyber Ninjas / CyFir run.

Prove a link to back up you statements about the previous Maricopa County audits.
Prove that the two previous audits were not audits.

Provide links to reports that refute the information linked below.

Auditing Elections Equipment In Maricopa County | Maricopa County, AZ

Maricopa County forensic audit results.

www.maricopa.gov

Backup your statement with sources or you are just posting talking points from unknown source.
"Neither of the previous two audits were audits by any standards and maricopa county even put on their website exactly what the previous two audits did.

What tests those firms did run are not fully known nor will be until the report is out, so any answer is just specualtion on that.

The maricopa county previous 2 audits have listed what tests they ran which was almost nothing like they went out of their way to avoid looking for discrepencies.

How is a small tiny hand recount an audit? how is running a scan to make sure malware did not manipulate the machine an audit? I sat through govt audits, real audits go through everything, what they did was take an extremely tiny same and said that tiny samle matched the hand recounts without verifying if the votes were legit just that they counted correct and decided there was no need to look further.

If you are not familiar with the streisand effect, maricopa and fulton are text book examples, the more you try to hide something the more suspicious people become, and maricopa and fulton going to extreme lengths to prevent any real audit or even handing over materials per the law is only convincing the masses more and more the election is rigged. If the election was so damn squeaky clean they would not need hundreds of lawyers and every road block on the book to try and prevent or stonewall an audit because an audit would prove they were squeaky clean if they actually were.

 

[mike2810]

What tests those firms did run are not fully known nor will be until the report is out, so any answer is just specualtion on that.

The maricopa county previous 2 audits have listed what tests they ran which was almost nothing like they went out of their way to avoid looking for discrepencies.

How is a small tiny hand recount an audit? how is running a scan to make sure malware did not manipulate the machine an audit? I sat through govt audits, real audits go through everything, what they did was take an extremely tiny same and said that tiny samle matched the hand recounts without verifying if the votes were legit just that they counted correct and decided there was no need to look further.

If you are not familiar with the streisand effect, maricopa and fulton are text book examples, the more you try to hide something the more suspicious people become, and maricopa and fulton going to extreme lengths to prevent any real audit or even handing over materials per the law is only convincing the masses more and more the election is rigged. If the election was so damn squeaky clean they would not need hundreds of lawyers and every road block on the book to try and prevent or stonewall an audit because an audit would prove they were squeaky clean if they actually were.

lets see
Find no changes in programing / OS, etc.
Find no intrusions
Find no evidence system hooked up to internet.
Ran checks / tests on sample ballots and actual original ballots and total were correct.

Doesn't make you wonder why Cyber Ninjas and CyFir are being so secretive. I saw the documents they released on how they were going to do the hand count. I did not see anything on what they were going to do with the hardware.

Do you have a link to what tests they were going to run?

imo, the only ones playing hide the ball is Cyber Ninjas.

 

[Argent]

Facts First: There is no evidence of either fraud or any significant error with these ballots, and certainly not "magically appearing ballots." Both Maricopa County and outside experts say there is a simple explanation for the gap Logan claimed had not been explained: the existence of in-person early voting. Contrary to Logan's claims, the ballot lists he was talking about include not only mail-in ballots but also ballots cast early in person.

Fact check: Arizona audit chief baselessly raises suspicion about 74,000 ballots

Arizona's Senate held a Thursday briefing on the ongoing Republican-initiated "audit" of the 2020 election in Maricopa County, where Joe Biden outperformed Donald Trump by enough of a margin to win the state.

www.cnn.com

 

[beerftw]

lets see
Find no changes in programing / OS, etc.
Find no intrusions
Find no evidence system hooked up to internet.
Ran checks / tests on sample ballots and actual original ballots and total were correct.

Doesn't make you wonder why Cyber Ninjas and CyFir are being so secretive. I saw the documents they released on how they were going to do the hand count. I did not see anything on what they were going to do with the hardware.

Do you have a link to what tests they were going to run?

imo, the only ones playing hide the ball is Cyber Ninjas.

Not really because so far the court ordered them to disclose their means, maricopa county is still in defiance of court refusing to fully comply to this day with subpeonas, and they tried to block the audit long before it started.

To top that off the mefia try and claim any audit is false and use maricopa county officials as proof maricopa county did no wrong, it is like asking the fox if he ate the chickens and when he says no running all over the media calling the chickens liars and claiming the chicken count was squeaky clean because the fox says it is, and then trying to block any investigation into the fox because he already investigated himself because nothing wrong here.


Answer this, it is soon going to be a year that actual audits attempts have been blocked or slow rolled, there is no logic in believing that the side going to the absolute most extreme lengths on earth to block an audit is going to be that clean, no one on earth goes to such extreme lengths to block an investigation if everything was alright, but maricopa county and fulton county have done just that, to top it off maricopa county has had to even change their story multiple times, oh we have no access to the machines and the routers, oh well the routers would jepardize police to oh well we have the machine passwords we already told you we had no access to but we are not going to let you have them because this audit is a sham.

 

[mike2810]

Not really because so far the court ordered them to disclose their means, maricopa county is still in defiance of court refusing to fully comply to this day with subpeonas, and they tried to block the audit long before it started.

To top that off the mefia try and claim any audit is false and use maricopa county officials as proof maricopa county did no wrong, it is like asking the fox if he ate the chickens and when he says no running all over the media calling the chickens liars and claiming the chicken count was squeaky clean because the fox says it is, and then trying to block any investigation into the fox because he already investigated himself because nothing wrong here.


Answer this, it is soon going to be a year that actual audits attempts have been blocked or slow rolled, there is no logic in believing that the side going to the absolute most extreme lengths on earth to block an audit is going to be that clean, no one on earth goes to such extreme lengths to block an investigation if everything was alright, but maricopa county and fulton county have done just that, to top it off maricopa county has had to even change their story multiple times, oh we have no access to the machines and the routers, oh well the routers would jepardize police to oh well we have the machine passwords we already told you we had no access to but we are not going to let you have them because this audit is a sham.

Not really. Yes the courts ordered. I saw the hand count procedures. Did you see the procedures for the hardware / equipment?

Seems the courts have not been to supportive in making MCBOS comply with the Senate request.
Would you provide equipment for review that had nothing to do with the election? Yes or No.

Your last paragraph is straight out of Cyber Ninjas playbook. What is the question ?

You seem to not accept the Counties answer regarding the routers. Let me ask you this. When a machine/computer is hooked up to a router there is a file on the machine and the router. Has CN disclosed the files exist and what router they allege were hooked to the machines?
Past reviews after the election shows no such communication happened. What makes CN believable.

Let me put it to you this way. Do you believe (Pick a Software company) would give you access to their programing because you think something might be wrong? Yes or No will do.

 

[beerftw]

Not really. Yes the courts ordered. I saw the hand count procedures. Did you see the procedures for the hardware / equipment?

Seems the courts have not been to supportive in making MCBOS comply with the Senate request.
Would you provide equipment for review that had nothing to do with the election? Yes or No.

Your last paragraph is straight out of Cyber Ninjas playbook. What is the question ?

You seem to not accept the Counties answer regarding the routers. Let me ask you this. When a machine/computer is hooked up to a router there is a file on the machine and the router. Has CN disclosed the files exist and what router they allege were hooked to the machines?
Past reviews after the election shows no such communication happened. What makes CN believable.

Let me put it to you this way. Do you believe (Pick a Software company) would give you access to their programing because you think something might be wrong? Yes or No will do.

You are denying the fact though they have refused to comply with court orders.

Also pa has launched their own audit in which 2 of the 3 counties under the audit have flat out refused to comply stating only elections officials have the right to audit them, ie they feel they only should be audited by themselves.

Fulton county has previously hired criminal defense lawyers like they expected to be charged with crimes rather than just fighting an audit.


No I do not seem to accept the counties answer, it would be like police investigating a suspected serial killer and the news saying he was innocent and the police were lying because the suspected killer said he did not do it, no where in any fair justice system is the accused supposed to be accepted as fact above all other investigation, again saying maricopa answer is the truth is like saying the fox is innocent and the chickens are lyers because the fox investigated himself and found he did no wrongdoing.

Why would the county being audited be accepted as truthful when they could not even keep their story straight and fought endlessly to prevent any forensic auditing of them, it is like an accused serial killing screaming over and over the police can not investigate him because he is just that innocent, while in reality only convincing the public more and more he committed the crime by going to extreme lengths to prevent an investigation.

 

[mike2810]

You are denying the fact though they have refused to comply with court orders.

Also pa has launched their own audit in which 2 of the 3 counties under the audit have flat out refused to comply stating only elections officials have the right to audit them, ie they feel they only should be audited by themselves.

Fulton county has previously hired criminal defense lawyers like they expected to be charged with crimes rather than just fighting an audit.


No I do not seem to accept the counties answer, it would be like police investigating a suspected serial killer and the news saying he was innocent and the police were lying because the suspected killer said he did not do it, no where in any fair justice system is the accused supposed to be accepted as fact above all other investigation, again saying maricopa answer is the truth is like saying the fox is innocent and the chickens are lyers because the fox investigated himself and found he did no wrongdoing.

Why would the county being audited be accepted as truthful when they could not even keep their story straight and fought endlessly to prevent any forensic auditing of them, it is like an accused serial killing screaming over and over the police can not investigate him because he is just that innocent, while in reality only convincing the public more and more he committed the crime by going to extreme lengths to prevent an investigation.

- You are denying the fact that Cyber Ninjas and the Senate have not complied to the court order for them to turn over the emails and other records.

- Seems MCBOS are doing the same as CN and the Senate. Use the court system and appeals.

- Thanks for admitting you do not accept the counties answer. It will no surprise to you that I do not accept what little Cyber Ninjas has made available as being honest.

- Your fox guarding the hen house applies to Logan. He admitted that he believes the election was rigged. He and CN are working from a conclusion of fraud and trying to manipulate data to support that conclusion.

- So far CN has not shown me anything to accept them as trustworthy.

- I see you believe in guilty now prove innocence. That is what your last paragraph is telling me. I tend to go with innocent till proven guilty.
The burden is on Cyber Ninjas not the county.

 

[beerftw]

- You are denying the fact that Cyber Ninjas and the Senate have not complied to the court order for them to turn over the emails and other records.

- Seems MCBOS are doing the same as CN and the Senate. Use the court system and appeals.

- Thanks for admitting you do not accept the counties answer. It will no surprise to you that I do not accept what little Cyber Ninjas has made available as being honest.

- Your fox guarding the hen house applies to Logan. He admitted that he believes the election was rigged. He and CN are working from a conclusion of fraud and trying to manipulate data to support that conclusion.

- So far CN has not shown me anything to accept them as trustworthy.

- I see you believe in guilty now prove innocence. That is what your last paragraph is telling me. I tend to go with innocent till proven guilty.
The burden is on Cyber Ninjas not the county.

The nfox guarding the henhouse applies to maricopa county, you accepting their answer as blatent fact means you accepted that the foxes investigated themselves, and stood by the answer. I do not believe anyone investigating themselves ever could be deemed credible, in the military units did not even audit themselves out of the known fact no one investigating themselves would ever admit to their own wrong doing, so outside units and teams did the auditing, otherwise the auditor would also be the audited and always rig the results in his favor.

Cn does not have to show you anything, but so far they have been less evasive than maricopa county which keeps changing it;s story over and over again. Cn has not even directly accused them of fraud, but rather what they presented does not match the results they found, so either there is a crapload of foul play, or maricopa county is hiding documents directly related to the audit in defiance of court, which again does not bode well for maricopa county, no one who is that innocent goes to extreme lengths to hide anything and everything possible.

Even a recent poll in the state of arizona has only a tiny majority believing biden won, democrats were only 89% believing biden won meaning 11% there believe trump should have won, and only 54% of independants in arizona believed biden won. This says arizona is not unified on biden winning, this result is from the streisand effect, the more extreme you go to hide things, the more people believe of wrongdoing.

To put it simply if all these suspected areas were squeaky clean they could have been transparent and proved how clean it was many months ago, instead they have fought tooth and nail to prevent any accountability to the public, even in places like georgia where it is mandated by law. If you can spend countless millions and get armies of lawyers to avoid an audit before you allow accountability to the public, you sound no different than a mass murderer screaming no one can dig in my yard no matter how many witnesses because I am that fricken innocent. If you were that innocent you could have ended the investigations a long time ago, but instead went to every extreme to block investigations, literally giving trump supporters proof it was rigged.

Maricopa county made accusations, but between the raid server, and the oh those forms are only early votes answer tels me they blatently tried to block relevant information for an audit despite a court order, and maricopa county is fully responsible by law to present all the evidence they have disproving discrepancies rather than trying to hide it and just making claims.

 

[mike2810]

The nfox guarding the henhouse applies to maricopa county, you accepting their answer as blatent fact means you accepted that the foxes investigated themselves, and stood by the answer. I do not believe anyone investigating themselves ever could be deemed credible, in the military units did not even audit themselves out of the known fact no one investigating themselves would ever admit to their own wrong doing, so outside units and teams did the auditing, otherwise the auditor would also be the audited and always rig the results in his favor.

Cn does not have to show you anything, but so far they have been less evasive than maricopa county which keeps changing it;s story over and over again. Cn has not even directly accused them of fraud, but rather what they presented does not match the results they found, so either there is a crapload of foul play, or maricopa county is hiding documents directly related to the audit in defiance of court, which again does not bode well for maricopa county, no one who is that innocent goes to extreme lengths to hide anything and everything possible.

Even a recent poll in the state of arizona has only a tiny majority believing biden won, democrats were only 89% believing biden won meaning 11% there believe trump should have won, and only 54% of independants in arizona believed biden won. This says arizona is not unified on biden winning, this result is from the streisand effect, the more extreme you go to hide things, the more people believe of wrongdoing.

To put it simply if all these suspected areas were squeaky clean they could have been transparent and proved how clean it was many months ago, instead they have fought tooth and nail to prevent any accountability to the public, even in places like georgia where it is mandated by law. If you can spend countless millions and get armies of lawyers to avoid an audit before you allow accountability to the public, you sound no different than a mass murderer screaming no one can dig in my yard no matter how many witnesses because I am that fricken innocent. If you were that innocent you could have ended the investigations a long time ago, but instead went to every extreme to block investigations, literally giving trump supporters proof it was rigged.

Maricopa county made accusations, but between the raid server, and the oh those forms are only early votes answer tels me they blatently tried to block relevant information for an audit despite a court order, and maricopa county is fully responsible by law to present all the evidence they have disproving discrepancies rather than trying to hide it and just making claims.

You have an active imagination.