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And they just lost to Saint Mary's..
St. Mary's is better than Indiana this year.
And they just lost to Saint Mary's..
NC State comes back from 18 down and goes up by 4... should be a good ending
I agree with Real on this. Zags are a good team, but they don't deserve a #1. I see them as a major team in a minor conference.
They beat who's in front of them, and that's all that should be asked of them. But they are not an ACC or SEC type team. They have a chance to prove me wrong this month... lol
If they played in the ACC, how many losses do they have? And with all those losses, they are not a 1 seed.
They are VT or FSU level.
You can't lose to St Mary in the conference championship game and expect a #1 seed.
And I have very confidence they will. People have been making the argument that they don't play anyone and their schedule is so weak they don't deserve their seeds forever. And for the last decade, they've been completely wrong. The Zags have been upset exactly one time in that frame, by a Wichita St. team that went It may have been true for the mid 2000s Zags teams that got 2 or 3 seeds despite efficiency rankings in the mid-20s. But those metrics universally have this team in the top 2.
I see this team's case as similar the 2017 team that went to the national championship and got a one seed despite losing to BYU on the last game. Except this time we also have the best win out of anyone in the country on our resume. That team had legions of people pissed off that they got the one seed despite their schedule and despite that loss and gloating about how they'd be upset again. And we went to the national championship where it was tied in the last minute.
If they played in the ACC, how many losses do they have? And with all those losses, they are not a 1 seed.
They are VT or FSU level.
You can't lose to St Mary in the conference championship game and expect a #1 seed.
They deserve high seeds, but IMO this year not a number 1 seed.
They would have a similar number of losses as Duke, Virginia, and North Carolina. Saint Mary's is better than Indiana, Illinois, Seton Hall, Alabama, Texas, Syracuse, and Penn State at least one of whom beat all of the number one seed contenders except Virginia.
Saying we're at the FSU or VA Tech level is absolutely insane to me. We're in the top 2 in every metric. They aren't in the top 10 in any.
That's fine. I disagree, but it's not outside the bounds of reason that we should have a 2 seed (like saying we're the same as FSU or Virginia Tech). I wouldn't mind it happening either since getting a weaker team like Michigan St. or Tennessee as a 1 seed to our 2 seed gives us a much easier path to a Final Four than getting stuck with someone like Duke as a 2 seed.
Have you watched VT or FSU this year? Be honest.
And I have very confidence they will. People have been making the argument that they don't play anyone and their schedule is so weak they don't deserve their seeds forever. And for the last decade, they've been completely wrong. The Zags have been upset exactly one time in that frame, by a Wichita St. team that went It may have been true for the mid 2000s Zags teams that got 2 or 3 seeds despite efficiency rankings in the mid-20s. But those metrics universally have this team in the top 2.
I see this team's case as similar the 2017 team that went to the national championship and got a one seed despite losing to BYU on the last game. Except this time we also have the best win out of anyone in the country on our resume. That team had legions of people pissed off that they got the one seed despite their schedule and despite that loss and gloating about how they'd be upset again. And we went to the national championship where it was tied in the last minute.
Metric, with all respect, lol.
Zags lost to Tennessee and UNC beat Duke by 2 EARLY in the year.
Duke is all freshman. Big advantage playing them when they did.
This is no resume for a #1 seed when you lose to St Mary at season end when you know a #1 seed is a stake and it's your conference championship.
No worries, they will get the #1 seed as I said. I am just saying that they are not one of the top 4 teams in the country.
I've watched both a ton. I love college basketball more than any other sport. Neither are on our level.
What is this best win the country this year?
They lost to Tennessee by 3 on a neutral court without Geno Crandall or Killian Tillie, both of whom are back now.
If playing Duke that early made it so easy, why did Duke not only go undefeated aside from that game, but have no other team come close? Not Indiana with it's two wins over MSU. Not Texas Tech or Auburn or Kentucky.
And the metrics are great. They aren't perfect, but they are very good at identifying which teams are real and which aren't. The 2005 Zags team got a 3 seed but had a KenPom ranking of 26. They did not deserve their seed. This year's team is 2nd.
My recommendation, don't get stuck in a bracket where you face them. They are solid top 15 teams.
Top 4 teams in the country, Duke (Zion will be back), Virginia, Kentucky and UNC. Like I posted 2 weeks ago.
My recommendation, don't get stuck in a bracket where you face them. They are solid top 15 teams.
Top 4 teams in the country, Duke (Zion will be back), Virginia, Kentucky and UNC. Like I posted 2 weeks ago.
Gators just punched their ticket into the NCAA Tournament with a 76 - 73 win over LSU!
Gators advance to the SEC Tournament semi-final game.
I bleed Orange & Blue!
Big game tonight in the ACC tourney; Duke/UNC. Who ya got? The missus is a big UNC fan. Does Zion make a difference or does Roy Williams get the best out of Luke May?