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Cruz, Paul, Huckabee, Perry and Santorum are unelectable in a national election. Sorry folks, but it is the truth. Unless Democrats nominate Kucinich or something, but against Hillary not a one of them will win.
Hunstman can never win a GOP primary. I know that they do nominate moderates but Huntsman is simply too unaplogetically moderate. He's only moved MORE toward the center while people like Romney and McCain moved to the right. I wouldn't be surprised if Huntsman pulls a Charlie Crist and announces he is becoming an Independent or Democrat in the future.
That leaves Rubio, Christie and Ryan. Rubio strikes me as something of a hack, I'm not sure if he has many core convictions. He was a Tea Party guy when it was popular, but now he's getting more moderate because he thinks the Tea Party wave has passed.
Christie I like, he checks most of the the right boxes. His main crime from the far-right's perspective is he hasn't used a conspiratorial tone or questioned Obama's birth certificate. He is elected in a blue state. I'm not sure what all these purists want. Do you really think swing states are going to vote for somebody like Ted Cruz?
Ryan is another good one, but I think he could possibly move up to majority leader or speaker in a future Congress. Of course maybe he is a RINO now, I don't know, I don't keep tabs on who has been excommunicated from the One Holy Church of True Conservatism but I heard some calling him a sell-out a few months ago.
Then why are you pushing Senator Cruz when you want a conservative governor..But the conservatives/tea party needs to find one conservative candidate united in opposition to the establishment. They need one Governor.
I'm sure you would've said the same thing in 2000 that George Bush was unelectable. Or even more-so in 1980 that Ronald Reagan was the most unelectable candidate against Jimmy Carter! OR, how John McCain was the most electable candidate against Obama in 2008. Or that Mitt Romney was the most electable against Obama
Over 30 governors are Republicans and you're complaining?!?!?!
At least 25 of those GOP govs have rejected Medicaid and the GOP's own idea, the state exchange..Yep. Of course I am. How many of those "Republicans" as you call them are opposing Obamacare?
Of those that ran McCain and Romney were the most electable against Obama. Any Republican would've lost in 2008 and there were slim pickings against Romney last year.
Of those that ran McCain and Romney were the most electable against Obama. Any Republican would've lost in 2008 and there were slim pickings against Romney last year.
Of those that ran McCain and Romney were the most electable against Obama. Any Republican would've lost in 2008 and there were slim pickings against Romney last year.
Lies are not policy or who loses an election..No. That's a lie - and the fact that they both lost proves it.
Huckabee is currently being trashed by the same people you are trashing..Mike Huckabee could have won either time had he been the nominee.
Of those that ran McCain and Romney were the most electable against Obama. Any Republican would've lost in 2008 and there were slim pickings against Romney last year.
No. That's a lie - and the fact that they both lost proves it.
Mike Huckabee could have won either time had he been the nominee. Mitt Romney was not viewed as more likeable than Obama. Huckabee is - and wouldn't have made those same gaffes that Romney made. Mitt Romney only had 4 years of being Governor. Obama had 4 years of being President. Mike Huckabee had nearly 10 years of being Governor, and before that, just less than 3 years of being the Lieutenant Governor - elected Arkansas' second Republican as Lieutenant Governor since reconstruction (in a special election in 1993 then [re-]elected to a full term the following year). The last Republican before him was elected in 1966 and served 1 term from 1967 to 1971. Huckabee then became Governor finishing an unexpired term and then elected Governor twice in his own right.
And to disagree with me about that would be to say that Brian Sandoval was unelectable as Governor in Nevada in 2010 because of the unpopularity of his predecessor Jim Gibbons.
You might then reply "Oh, well Brian Sandoval ran against him in the primary and beat him" and that is true. Brian Sandoval won that primary 55% to 27%.
Then comes to questions. Assuming third terms were allowed, and Bush were to seek it - considering his low unpopularity and America's foolish obsession with "electability" rather than standing up for ideals they believe in - he would have had other primary opponents that year and likely not been renominated.
Huckabee is currently being trashed by the same people you are trashing..
Huckabee is being trashed by those trashing Boehner..
Notice how you are wrong on Huckabee..
Notice I did not call you a liar .
I think that Thompson could have if he had stayed in the race and survived the primaries. McCain was a horrible republican mistake. They tied one hand behind their back with that primary choice.
Huckabee had a huge image problem the first go around, he allowed the dems to typecast him and that's a political no no. And anyone standing with Boehner is going to get trashed and well deserved too. Boehner is the poster boy for RINOs everywhere and the left's best advert for their own candidates. He's what the dems want republicans to be. Beatable at every turn.
As long as your TEA-wing exists clownboy, we won't be reaching permanent grand-bargains like the one that went down in flames in July of 2011..
I even supported Sen. Coburn's 8-for-1 swap just to get a permanent deal..
Your wing has prevented a balanced budget, which we would have had next year .
I think if the GOP was smarter, they would each find a certain wing of the GOP to represent a certain faction of it.
Be they conservatives, tea party, moderate. For example, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, - are all more Tea Party. Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, are more conservative. Chris Christie, Jon Huntsman, Paul Ryan seem to be more moderate.
Rather than dividing the percentage, to ensure that two tea parties don't split the tea party vote within the GOP Primary and get another moderate nominated - rather those in each part of the party should set forth a candidate that best represents their views.
This is only just a strategy, of course. And every candidate or potential candidate should do what they think is right. I understand that the Primary Debates in 2015 will give an example of where each candidates stand in polls before the NH Primary & Iowa Caucus.
The far right needs to unite on one extremist whacko and back him to the hilt. either that or divide up the primaries where they do not compete against each other.
fat chance of a bunch of true believer nut jobs agreeing on either.
I think that Thompson could have if he had stayed in the race and survived the primaries. McCain was a horrible republican mistake. They tied one hand behind their back with that primary choice.
As usual you got it wrong. I'm not a tea party member nor do I sympathize with everything they stand for. I'm not a republican either, haven't been for many years now. And again you're wrong about the tea party influence in the house, they are a very, very small minority of house membership and none in leadership (one if you count Cruz as leadership). Nor did the TP stop any sort of balanced budget. There has been no balanced budget proposed by the democrats, not any time in at least the last few decades. Leaves me wondering if you know what a balanced budget actually is.
Heh, you're funny. Here you are suggesting the dems don't really believe in what they say and that's how they win elections. :mrgreen:
First you trash Boehner as a RINO, now you deny being in the TEA-party..Good day .
There was not one mention of democrats in my post. I am suggesting nothing. My comments were limited to the far right candidates in the GOP.
2016 GOP PRIMARY
I know it's early but it's fun to take the time now to speculate and add thoughts. I want to set up different kinds of the same polls - as I feel that they will be more revealing than only doing it one way.
For example, in some polls, I will have a vote for one. In other polls of the same kind, I'll have a vote for all that you want.
In this one, it'll be a one-option. It seems these polls here are limited to 10 options, so I'm gonna put the most mentioned prospective candidates and top-tier.
Ted Cruz
Rand Paul
Mike Huckabee
Marco Rubio
Chris Christie
Rick Santorum
Rick Perry
Jon Huntsman
Paul Ryan
Other (Please specify)
I think that Thompson could have if he had stayed in the race and survived the primaries. McCain was a horrible republican mistake. They tied one hand behind their back with that primary choice.
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