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2 retired 4-star officers who served under Trump endorse Biden

US&THEM said:
"Thanks to his disdainful attitude and his failures, our allies no longer trust or respect us, and our enemies no longer fear us," they wrote, citing failures on climate change and North Korea's nuclear program. They also slammed Trump for ceding influence to Russia and starting a trade war with China that has hurt American workers.


www.politico.com

Trump's former Coast Guard chief endorses Biden, cites 'insurgency' on the Constitution

Retired admiral joins nearly 200 other retired senior leaders who are endorsing Biden.
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Thats a piss-poor argument there. Climate change? North Korea? Chinese sanctions? We should exit climate change agreements. No one has been successful at controlling NK nuke program and confronting the greatest threat to this country--China--is exactly the right thing to do. If thats their arguments then Biden can have them. They are clearly not on the side of America or its interests.
 
Fletch said:
Thats a piss-poor argument there. Climate change? North Korea? Chinese sanctions? We should exit climate change agreements. No one has been successful at controlling NK nuke program and confronting the greatest threat to this country--China--is exactly the right thing to do. If thats their arguments then Biden can have them. They are clearly not on the side of America or its interests.
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Sure the leaders have dedicated their lives to the security and freedoms of our country. Seriously? Trump has made us the laughing stock of the world.
 
Those Admirals and Generals were the ass kissers that Obama promoted. Pay no attention to them.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
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Uncensored2008 said:
LET'S TRY this again..

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Uncensored2008 said:
He wuz coludifying wid da RUSHINGS...

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Funny, but not for the reason you think.
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When you’re ready to face reality, here’s some educational material;
www.npr.org

The Russia Investigations: Mueller Indicts The 'Internet Research Agency'

Here are five takeaways from the indictment unveiled on Friday that charged a St. Petersburg troll farm and a number of individual Russians with waging "information warfare" against the United States.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
apnews.com

Ex-workers at Russian 'troll factory' trust US indictment

ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) — While Russian officials scoff at a U.S. indictment charging 13 Russians with meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, several people who worked at the same St. Petersburg "troll factory" say they think the criminal charges are well-founded. Marat Mindiyarov...
apnews.com apnews.com
 
Fletch said:
Thats a piss-poor argument there. Climate change? North Korea? Chinese sanctions? We should exit climate change agreements. No one has been successful at controlling NK nuke program and confronting the greatest threat to this country--China--is exactly the right thing to do. If thats their arguments then Biden can have them. They are clearly not on the side of America or its interests.
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Climate change is real, and doesn’t give a shit that you’re in denial.

Other than great PR to broadcast across the DPRK and propping up Un on the world stage, Trump didn’t accomplish squat in North Korea.

Taking China on was a good move. Trump’s predecessors should have done so long ago.
 
Logical1 said:
Those Admirals and Generals were the ass kissers that Obama promoted. Pay no attention to them.
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Some were, some were PNAC Bushies. These are people who are tied to the perpetual war lobby.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Climate change is real, and doesn’t give a shit that you’re in denial.
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What I deny is that these climate change agreements will accomplish anything other than damaging our country.

Other than great PR to broadcast across the DPRK and propping up Un on the world stage, Trump didn’t accomplish squat in North Korea.
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And those PR broadcasts and $2 will get you a large coffee at McDonalds. Trump failed in NK precisely because of the people now denouncing him. The idea that NK would ever give up their nukes is idiotic. Trump should have abandoned that demand and tied sanction relief to improvements in human rights..

Taking China on was a good move. Trump’s predecessors should have done so long ago.
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Yes. Which is why I say that people attacking Trump for it arent worth listening to.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Funny, but not for the reason you think.
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When you’re ready to face reality, here’s some educational material;
www.npr.org

The Russia Investigations: Mueller Indicts The 'Internet Research Agency'

Here are five takeaways from the indictment unveiled on Friday that charged a St. Petersburg troll farm and a number of individual Russians with waging "information warfare" against the United States.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
apnews.com

Ex-workers at Russian 'troll factory' trust US indictment

ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) — While Russian officials scoff at a U.S. indictment charging 13 Russians with meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, several people who worked at the same St. Petersburg "troll factory" say they think the criminal charges are well-founded. Marat Mindiyarov...
apnews.com apnews.com
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It's a funny thing, when I came over here recently, some radical left mod named @Ikari told me very sternly that suggesting people are trolls is against the rules. But it appears you can accuse others of being trolls with impunity.

Maybe some animals are more equal than others.

As for the Weissman Inquisition

{
But collusion is not a specific offense or
theory of liability found in the U .S. Code; nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. To the
contrary, even as defined in legal dictionaries, collusion is largely synonymous with conspiracy as
that crime is set forth in the general federal conspiracy statute , 18 U .S.C. § 371. See Black 's Law
Dictionary 321 (10th ed. 2014) (collusion is "[a]n agreement to defraud another or to do or obtain
something forbidden by law"); 1 Alexander Burrill , A Law Dictionary and Glossary 311 (1871)
("An agreement between two or more persons to defraud another by the forms of law, or to employ
such forms as means of accomplishing some unlawful object."); 1 Bouvier 's Law Dictionary 352
U.S . Department of Justice
A:t:1:ertteyWerk Predttet // Mtt;s CetttttiH Mttterittl Preteeted Uttder Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(e)

(1897) ("An agreement between two or more persons to defraud a person of his rights by the forms
of law, or to obtain an object forbidden by law.").
For that reason, this Office ' s focus in resolving the question of joint criminal liability was
on conspiracy as defined in federal law, not the commonly discussed term "collusion." The Office
considered in particular whether contacts between Trump Campaign officials and Russia-linked
individuals could trigger liability for the crime of conspiracy-either under statutes that have their
own conspiracy language (e.g. , 18 U .S.C. §§ 1349, 195l(a)) , or under the general conspiracy
statute (18 U.S .C. § 371). The investigation did not establish that the contacts described in Volume
I, Section IV, supra , amounted to an agreement to commit any substantive violation of federal
criminal law- including foreign-fnfluence and campaign-finance laws , both of which are
discussed further below. The Office therefore did not charge any individual associated with the
Trump Campaign with conspiracy to commit a federal offense arising from Russia contacts, either
under a specific statute or under Section 371 's offenses clause.
The Office also did not charge any campaign official or associate with a conspiracy under
Section 371 's defraud clause. That clause criminalizes participating in an agreement to obstruct a
lawful function of the U.S. government or its agencies through deceitful or dishon est means. See
Dennis v. United States, 384 U.S. 855, 861 (1966); Hammerschmidt v. United States, 265 U.S .
182, 188 (1924); see also United States v. Concord Mgmt. & Consulting LLC, 34 7 F. Supp. 3d 38,
46 (D.D .C.2018). The investigation did not establish any agreement among Campaign officialsor between such officials and Russia-linked individuals-to interfere with or obstruct a lawful
function of a government agency during the campaign or transition period. And , as discussed in
Volume I, Section V.A , supra , the investigation did not identify evidence that any Campaign
official or associate knowingly and intentionally participated in the conspiracy to defraud that the
Office charged , namely, the active-measures conspiracy described in Volume I, Section II, supra .
Accordingly, the Office did not charge any Campaign associate or other U.S. person with
conspiracy to defraud the United States based on the Russia-relat ed contact s described in Section
IV above.}

A year after the Collusion Conspiracy theory was debunked, unethical and quite frankly stupid people continue to push the moronic conspiracy.

It goes back to the fact that Maoist democrats are simply not affected by facts or reality, they HATE and that is the ONLY thing that drives them.
 
Logical1 said:
Those Admirals and Generals were the ass kissers that Obama promoted. Pay no attention to them.
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Each of 'em predated Potus Obama by decades of having a distinguished record of leadership, command, respect.

So let's take a quick look at each one albeit in a summery fashion:

Admiral Zukunft has commanded six [geostrategic] units and served extensively in the cutter fleet where he commanded the cutters CAPE UPRIGHT, HARRIET LANE, and RUSH.

A native of North Branford, Connecticut, Admiral Zukunft graduated from the U.S. Coast Guard Academy in 1977 with a Bachelor of Science degree in Government;
from Webster University in 1988 with a Master of Arts degree in Management;
and from the U.S. Naval War College in 1997 with a Master of Arts degree in National Security and Strategic Studies.
He is a graduate of the Asia Pacific Center for Strategic Studies Executive Seminar and Harvard's Kennedy School of Government National Preparedness Leadership Initiative course.

Admiral Paul F. Zukunft > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Biography

www.defense.gov





Gen. Paul J. Selva served as the 10th Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In this capacity, he was a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the nation’s second highest-ranking military officer.

General Selva graduated from the U.S. Air Force Academy in 1980, and completed undergraduate pilot training at Reese AFB, Texas. He has held numerous staff positions and has commanded at the squadron, group, wing and headquarter levels. Prior to his current assignment General Selva was the commander of U.S. Transportation Command, Scott AFB, Ill.

General Selva was a command pilot with more than 3,100 hours in the air.

EDUCATION
1980 Bachelor of Science in Aeronautical Engineering, U.S. Air Force Academy, Colorado Springs, Colo.
1983 Squadron Officer School, Maxwell AFB, Ala.
1984 Master of Science in Management and Human Relations, Abilene Christian University, Abilene, Texas
1992 Air Command and Staff College, Maxwell AFB, Ala., distinguished graduate
1992 Master of Science in Political Science, Auburn University, Montgomery, Ala.
1996 National Defense Fellow, Secretary of Defense Strategic Studies Group, Rosslyn, Va.



The stars and numerous command positions fell from the sky on each of 'em and had little to do with any particular Potus. Cause when you got what it takes then you got what it takes. A board of generals and a board of admirals decide who gets promoted to general and admiral while the Congress votes on it and the Potus merely signs off on people he hardly knows. This is much more institutional than certain ordinary schmuck citizens know, understand, appreciate.
 
veritas1 said:
Right, because you always want to be weaker than your adversaries. This is why the left is too dangerous to have power. Weakness = war.
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Yes and you have to destroy the village to save it, right?

Our military spending is way beyond the next 8 countries combined, and we ran away pants-down from both Taliban and Syria. The money isn't translating into might. Done right, it can be influence-buying. But Trump demanded a 10% increase for no particular reason other than that he wanted to say he was "very strongly" for the military.
 
Fletch said:
What I deny is that these climate change agreements will accomplish anything other than damaging our country.

And those PR broadcasts and $2 will get you a large coffee at McDonalds. Trump failed in NK precisely because of the people now denouncing him. The idea that NK would ever give up their nukes is idiotic. Trump should have abandoned that demand and tied sanction relief to improvements in human rights..

Yes. Which is why I say that people attacking Trump for it arent worth listening to.
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I agree that without (verifiable) commitment by the biggest global polluter, China, the U.S. and our allies would be at a major economic disadvantage if we make needed changes to curb global warming, and reduce/eliminate other environmental damaging practices, while Xi Jinping continues ahead, full steam, growing his own country’s wealth and influence.

Acknowledging that reality doesn’t really free us from doing anything though.

Instead of denying science facts and withdrawing from every environmental accord, Trump should have been working with our country’s scientific community and allied leadership to come up with solutions that will enable us to make a difference while remaining competitive with China.

History will record the long term damage done by his abandoning of America’s resources in favor of short term personal political gain.

And as for NK, I agree again. Trump should have held the line laid down by his predecessors. Un played him.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
It's a funny thing, when I came over here recently, some radical left mod named @Ikari told me very sternly that suggesting people are trolls is against the rules. But it appears you can accuse others of being trolls with impunity.

Maybe some animals are more equal than others.

As for the Weissman Inquisition

{
But collusion is not a specific offense or
theory of liability found in the U .S. Code; nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. To the
contrary, even as defined in legal dictionaries, collusion is largely synonymous with conspiracy as
that crime is set forth in the general federal conspiracy statute , 18 U .S.C. § 371. See Black 's Law
Dictionary 321 (10th ed. 2014) (collusion is "[a]n agreement to defraud another or to do or obtain
something forbidden by law"); 1 Alexander Burrill , A Law Dictionary and Glossary 311 (1871)
("An agreement between two or more persons to defraud another by the forms of law, or to employ
such forms as means of accomplishing some unlawful object."); 1 Bouvier 's Law Dictionary 352
U.S . Department of Justice
A:t:1:ertteyWerk Predttet // Mtt;s CetttttiH Mttterittl Preteeted Uttder Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(e)

(1897) ("An agreement between two or more persons to defraud a person of his rights by the forms
of law, or to obtain an object forbidden by law.").
For that reason, this Office ' s focus in resolving the question of joint criminal liability was
on conspiracy as defined in federal law, not the commonly discussed term "collusion." The Office
considered in particular whether contacts between Trump Campaign officials and Russia-linked
individuals could trigger liability for the crime of conspiracy-either under statutes that have their
own conspiracy language (e.g. , 18 U .S.C. §§ 1349, 195l(a)) , or under the general conspiracy
statute (18 U.S .C. § 371). The investigation did not establish that the contacts described in Volume
I, Section IV, supra , amounted to an agreement to commit any substantive violation of federal
criminal law- including foreign-fnfluence and campaign-finance laws , both of which are
discussed further below. The Office therefore did not charge any individual associated with the
Trump Campaign with conspiracy to commit a federal offense arising from Russia contacts, either
under a specific statute or under Section 371 's offenses clause.
The Office also did not charge any campaign official or associate with a conspiracy under
Section 371 's defraud clause. That clause criminalizes participating in an agreement to obstruct a
lawful function of the U.S. government or its agencies through deceitful or dishon est means. See
Dennis v. United States, 384 U.S. 855, 861 (1966); Hammerschmidt v. United States, 265 U.S .
182, 188 (1924); see also United States v. Concord Mgmt. & Consulting LLC, 34 7 F. Supp. 3d 38,
46 (D.D .C.2018). The investigation did not establish any agreement among Campaign officialsor between such officials and Russia-linked individuals-to interfere with or obstruct a lawful
function of a government agency during the campaign or transition period. And , as discussed in
Volume I, Section V.A , supra , the investigation did not identify evidence that any Campaign
official or associate knowingly and intentionally participated in the conspiracy to defraud that the
Office charged , namely, the active-measures conspiracy described in Volume I, Section II, supra .
Accordingly, the Office did not charge any Campaign associate or other U.S. person with
conspiracy to defraud the United States based on the Russia-relat ed contact s described in Section
IV above.}

A year after the Collusion Conspiracy theory was debunked, unethical and quite frankly stupid people continue to push the moronic conspiracy.

It goes back to the fact that Maoist democrats are simply not affected by facts or reality, they HATE and that is the ONLY thing that drives them.
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You should really learn to pay better attention.

1. I informed you of the IRA troll farm located in St. Petersburg Russia. Something you were clearly unaware of.

2. Your idiotic references to collusion, and the interactions between Trump campaign members and Russians (in and outside of government), is utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand, Russian trolls.
 
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