2 Border Patrol Agents facing 20 years (1 Viewer)

[easyt65]

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51417

2 Border Patrol agents face 20 years in prison
Officers prosecuted – wounded drug trafficker given full immunity in exchange for testimony..

This was on Glen Beck last night, and he talked to one of the Border patrol agents and his lawyer.

OK, here's the bottom line:
More than 2 Bordrer Patrol agents are chasing an illegal alien drug trafficker running away in a van. The van gets stuck in the sand, the drug runner bails, and he starts to run.

The 2 BP agents charged jump out - shouts of 'stop', etc...are yelled - a gun shot rings out, and the shooter says he sees a BP agent fall. He turns to see the drug dealer turning to begin running again with what he believes at that split second to be a gun, the gun he believes that has just brought down a BP agent. He raises his weapons and fires, wounding the drug dealer....who, as it was reported last night by beck, gets away. In the van, they find over 700 pounds of marajuana!

In comes Homeland Security. They track the drug dealer down in Mexico. They offer him immunity if he will come back to the United States to testify against the BP agents. They bring him back, give him free medical and other perks, and arrest the BP agents who were trying to secure our borders and keep us safe from trash like this drug dealer. (Do you hear the loud sound of the U.S. smooching Mexico's backside here, trying to appease them?!)

The Federal Prosecuters go after the BP agents in court with great vigor - they even tried to suppress the evidence of the drugs found in the van!

The result is that 2 BP agents now face 20 years in jail , the rest of the BP agents say there is no way they will do anything that would put them in this same situation now, and a law suit FOR the drug dealer fo something like $500K in damages is pending.

During the trial, other interesting points Homeland Security tried to hide/surpress were the facts that, the nation/administration that is SOOOOO interested in securing our borders has tied the border patrol Agent's hands by providing such restrictive rules as:
- They are not allowed to chase fleeing illegals/criminals....
- They can NOT speed unless they have permission from a supervisor....
- They may not shoot/defend themselves unless they can prove the illegals/criminals have a gun....meaning you have to have possession of the gun after it all over with.....

From the above article:

Further, Kanof argued, it was a violation of Border Patrol policy for agents to pursue fleeing suspects.

"Agents are not allowed to pursue. In order to exceed the speed limit, you have to get supervisor approval, and they did not," she told the Daily Bulletin.

Although already convicted, these guys face sentencing on 22 aug!

Beck was encouraging everyone to send a quick e-mail to the White House and demand the President pardon these guys for DOIN' THEIR FREAKIN' JOBS!

 

[TheNextEra]

This was a prime example of our government encouraging illegals to cross the border.

The prosecuter that gave the drug runner immunity should have been put in jail himself.

 

[DeeJayH]

un freaking believable
anybody else feel like this is actually an episode of the twilight zone?

 

[Deegan]

The jury did convict them, there has to be something that these agents are not sharing, that was presented in the trial. I will admit that on the face of it, it does seem very unfair, but I would have to know what the jury knew, and I have yet to hear that side?

 

[Indy]

This had better not be true. If it is then I don't see what the point of protecting this place anymore. So now we are in the habit of prosecuting citizens for protecting our borders against invaders who are here SOLELY to break the law? What the flying filthy finger f*$%$ is that crap???

 

[easyt65]

The jury did convict them, there has to be something that these agents are not sharing, that was presented in the trial. I will admit that on the face of it, it does seem very unfair, but I would have to know what the jury knew, and I have yet to hear that side?

Read the article for starts.

In the interview last night, the lawyer said the Federal Prosecuter tried to have several facts hidden from the jury, like The Crimes: Drug dealer's illegal status, his past history of drug running/arrests, and the drugs found in his van during this incident. All but the drugs in his van were kept from the jury.

The Federal prosecuter, in order to get the conviction, HAD to release/bring up the regulations about how PB Agents are not allowed to pursue fleeing illegals/criminals, how they are not allowed to speed without getting prior approval from their supervisor. (Engaged in a car chace with an illegal drug smugglar and unable to get their supervisor on the radio, they chose to break this regulation in order to try to catch the fleeing criminal. Fleeing? Cr@p, that's another reg busted!) In the end, the Prosecuter pointed out that they had:

1) Sped without authorization
2) Chased a fleeing criminal/illegal
3) Fired on a drug dealer and never recovered his weapon that he presumably used to shoot/shoot at another BP Agent (That is why we ALWAYS aim for the HEAD boys and girls! :shock: :rofl )

If you boil all this down...yup, these guys are guilty of not following the stupid-@$$ed regs designed to appease Mexico, deceive Americans, and allow whoever wants to come into this country illegally and, in-so-doing, commit any crime they can!

They should NOT, however, have to do any jail time for it!

 

[easyt65]

This had better not be true. If it is then I don't see what the point of protecting this place anymore. So now we are in the habit of prosecuting citizens for protecting our borders against invaders who are here SOLELY to break the law? What the flying filthy finger f*$%$ is that crap???

Remember the story about the federal Prosecuters seizing a landowner's house on the border and giving it to the illegals he caught trespassing and destroying his private property a bout a year back?

After years of catching illegals crossing his land, breaking down his fences, stealing from his crops and herds, he finally held several illegals at gun point and called for the BP Agents to come pick them up. MEXICO files d a law suit on behalf of the illegals who had trespassed and destroyed the man's property! The U.S. friggin' federal prosecuters/legal system found on behalf of MEXICO, and the mn's land and house was immediately seized and ordered to be given to the illegals! :shock: WT*?

From what I understand, the man is still fighting it with his ownlawyers but the even if he does win, due to the legal fees, he still might lose his house and land!

and all of this is happening because we have gutless politicians on both sides of the aisle who are only concerned with money and votes, which means kissing Mexico's and the illegal's @$$E$ to secure their vote!

Somebody needs to remind these jackoffs that they work for US and not illegals and/or mexico!

 

[Deegan]

Read the article for starts.

In the interview last night, the lawyer said the Federal Prosecuter tried to have several facts hidden from the jury, like The Crimes: Drug dealer's illegal status, his past history of drug running/arrests, and the drugs found in his van during this incident. All but the drugs in his van were kept from the jury.

The Federal prosecuter, in order to get the conviction, HAD to release/bring up the regulations about how PB Agents are not allowed to pursue fleeing illegals/criminals, how they are not allowed to speed without getting prior approval from their supervisor. (Engaged in a car chace with an illegal drug smugglar and unable to get their supervisor on the radio, they chose to break this regulation in order to try to catch the fleeing criminal. Fleeing? Cr@p, that's another reg busted!) In the end, the Prosecuter pointed out that they had:

1) Sped without authorization
2) Chased a fleeing criminal/illegal
3) Fired on a drug dealer and never recovered his weapon that he presumably used to shoot/shoot at another BP Agent (That is why we ALWAYS aim for the HEAD boys and girls! :shock: :rofl )

If you boil all this down...yup, these guys are guilty of not following the stupid-@$$ed regs designed to appease Mexico, deceive Americans, and allow whoever wants to come into this country illegally and, in-so-doing, commit any crime they can!

They should NOT, however, have to do any jail time for it!

I did read the article, but it is terribly one-sided, and I can not make a judgment without hearing both sides, as the jury obviously has. I don't agree with many of those regulations, but they are rules they know, and must follow. I don't think they will do any time, I really don't think that's possible, but they will lose their jobs, and it would appear thats warranted.

 

[Captain America]

I saw this on Glenn Beck too. Simply unbelieveable. (That was a good show too.)

Maybe President Bush will give them full pardon. He should if he has any sense of judgement whatsoever.......but then again....:roll:

They gave a website to sign a petition that was supposed to go to the president but I forgot to write the addy down. :3oops:

 

[easyt65]

I don't think they will do any time, I really don't think that's possible, but they will lose their jobs, and it would appear thats warranted.

I could not disagree with you more on this point! The one's who should be losing their jobs are the morons in washington who are cuffing the hands of the men and women who ARE trying to protect our borders while their leaders in washington are betraying their country for votes and cash!

 

[Deegan]

I could not disagree with you more on this point! The one's who should be losing their jobs are the morons in washington who are cuffing the hands of the men and women who ARE trying to protect our borders while their leaders in washington are betraying their country for votes and cash!

I would agree that the rules need to be changed, but these men were aware of the rules, and we cannot allow our law enforcement officers to bend or break those rules. So bring it up for a vote, and I'll vote for it, but as it stands, their firing is warranted, as much as I hate to say it.

Mexico is a great trading partner to the U.S, second only to Canada, so yes, politics are going to be part of the equation.

 

[Indy]

I could not disagree with you more on this point! The one's who should be losing their jobs are the morons in washington who are cuffing the hands of the men and women who ARE trying to protect our borders while their leaders in washington are betraying their country for votes and cash!

Exactly, I don't exactly see how them loosing their jobs would be WARRENTED. What is wrong with you Deegan? Sometimes we can agree on a point but this time, HELL NO. They are law enforcement officials who were enforcing the law. They were shot at, defended themselves, and then slaped on the wrist for doing so. How on earth is that warrented?

 

[Deegan]

Exactly, I don't exactly see how them loosing their jobs would be WARRENTED. What is wrong with you Deegan? Sometimes we can agree on a point but this time, HELL NO. They are law enforcement officials who were enforcing the law. They were shot at, defended themselves, and then slaped on the wrist for doing so. How on earth is that warrented?

That's the crux of the matter, the jury did not believe that they were fired upon, hence their verdict, as I said, I will have to study the documents presented to the jury. I am more then willing to be wrong on this one, but with the facts presented right now, and a solid conviction, it leaves me with a lot of doubt to their innocence.

 

[americanwoman]

Wow, I had to read through this twice and I still can't beleive it. Amazing what you can get away with here.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Would somebody please explain what "jury nullification" is?

I believe I know, but would like to hear accurate details.

Will a jury impose sentence? Or will a judge alone do it?

 

[Deegan]

Would somebody please explain what "jury nullification" is?

I believe I know, but would like to hear accurate details.

Will a jury impose sentence? Or will a judge alone do it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

 

[DeeJayH]

Would somebody please explain what "jury nullification" is?

I believe I know, but would like to hear accurate details.

Will a jury impose sentence? Or will a judge alone do it?

http://www.greenmac.com/eagle/ISSUES/ISSUE23-9/07JuryNullification.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

Jury nullification is a jury's refusal to render a verdict according to the law, as instructed by the court, regardless of the weight of evidence presented. Instead, a jury bases its verdict on other grounds. Historically, examples include the perceived injustice of a law in general, the perceived injustice of how the law applies in a particular case, the race of a party or accuser, or the jury’s own prejudices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

 

[easyt65]

I would agree that the rules need to be changed, but these men were aware of the rules, and we cannot allow our law enforcement officers to bend or break those rules. So bring it up for a vote, and I'll vote for it, but as it stands, their firing is warranted, as much as I hate to say it.

I agree in principle that we can not allow agents to make up their own rules, even if the existing rules are moronic......but at the same time agreeing with you that their dismissal is warranted, which I do, leaves a bad taste in my mouth! I hate the idea that good men willing to do a job of defending this nation are cut loose for actually doing the job rather than pretending to do so, which is what our politicians want them to do.

 

[jfuh]

I don't buy this story one bit. It's highly highly one sided and wants to make a political statement and not an actual news report.
Also it's self contradictory leading me to beleive it even less. How is it self contradictory?
In the begining

When Border Patrol Agent Ignacio Ramos pulled the trigger last February, all he knew was that his partner was lying on the ground behind him – bloodied from a struggle with a fleeing suspect – shots had been fired and now, it appeared, the drug smuggler he was pursuing had turned toward him with what looked to be a gun in his hand.

But then later on it says

"The supervisors knew that shots were fired," Ramos told the paper. "Since nobody was injured or hurt, we didn't file the report. That's the only thing I would've done different."

So first someone was injured, then no one was injured, nope, don't buy it.
Finally, who says that these agents are not trigger happy morons themselves?

 

[Deegan]

I agree in principle that we can not allow agents to make up their own rules, even if the existing rules are moronic......but at the same time agreeing with you that their dismissal is warranted, which I do, leaves a bad taste in my mouth! I hate the idea that good men willing to do a job of defending this nation are cut loose for actually doing the job rather than pretending to do so, which is what our politicians want them to do.

Indeed, it leaves me feeling quite sorry for these men, and angry that our borders are now seen as even more lax then before. We need to get tough, and our government needs to put more power in the hands of these officers.

 

[Vader]

This was a prime example of our government encouraging illegals to cross the border.

The prosecuter that gave the drug runner immunity should have been put in jail himself.

I agree! The prosecutor needs to be disbarred and then beaten about the head and shoulders with a big stick.

:shock:

 

[faithful_servant]

I could not disagree with you more on this point! The one's who should be losing their jobs are the morons in washington who are cuffing the hands of the men and women who ARE trying to protect our borders while their leaders in washington are betraying their country for votes and cash!

As much as I agree that the regs are bad, the BP officers are still required to abide by them. It sucks BIG TIME, but that's the LAW. I do think that there were some huge irregularities in the trial, but the fact is that these guys violated the regs they were supposed to operate under and this needs to be dealt with. What they have been convicted of is utter BS adn the attitude of using this incident to placate the Mexicans is a complete travesty. But, these guy still violated regs that they were fully aware of and as such shoul dbe brought to task for it. IMO, this should have been handled as an internal issue and not a criminal one.