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I'll bet you've hit on something. Why wouldn't it fall under that definition? Not much of a stretch....especially if there are any photos at all...porn kind or not...exploitation...?

Edit: Ooops. Article says sheriff says it's not a crime to possess it. That's just wrong. The law should be changed.

No it shouldn't. You can't start banning books because you don't like what's in the book. If there's no illegal material in there, there's no illegal material in here. We let many crimes overrule rational thought; and this crime for certain we've emotionalized to the point of ridiculous law. It's time that we start thinking about what we do.
 

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It seems to me it should fall under some kind of incitement law.

What about the Anarchist Cookbook or the Poor Man's James Bond? Those violate incitement laws? I mean, where are we going with this. How many books do we ban? Maybe we can do an old fashioned book burning; those are always fun for the kids. Like it or not, it's just a book. You can't ban it because you think the contents are icky. If there's been no violation of law; that's that.
 

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What about the Anarchist Cookbook or the Poor Man's James Bond? Those violate incitement laws? I mean, where are we going with this. How many books do we ban? Maybe we can do an old fashioned book burning; those are always fun for the kids. Like it or not, it's just a book. You can't ban it because you think the contents are icky. If there's been no violation of law; that's that.

Are we gonna have a discussion or are you just going to make a bunch of appeals to the absurd? Please let me know now so I can make an informed decision as to how much time I wish to allot to this.
 

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Are we gonna have a discussion or are you just going to make a bunch of appeals to the absurd? Please let me know now so I can make an informed decision as to how much time I wish to allot to this.

So is all you got a deflection then? Can't address the issues? Please let me know now so I can make an informed decision as to how much time I which to allot to this.
 

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sadly, most of these pervs have no need of a "how to" manual. I think, given the liberal atmosphere of current society, it would be hard to convict the "author" of this piece of garbage.
 

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OK, I see where this is going and which of your personalities I got today.

Anyone else wanna talk about the topic?

I was on topic. I told you, we already have books like Anarchist Cookbook and Poor Man's James Bond that ain't illegal. There's nothing illegal in you're little 170 page manual either. And all you have is run away tactics. Sorry, but that's what it is. You wanna try to deflect and run away to not actually talk about the topic. You seemingly want just "what about the children" arguments echoed. It's a book, that's it. It has information in it, but it can by no means force people to read it or force people to act it out. If we go after this book because of dangerous information, where do we stop? That's a serious question, but you seem to want to deflect around it and pretend that the topic isn't being discussed. People are picking up on this because of the content of the book; but seemingly forget we've allowed all sorts of dangerous, offensive, and sometimes sleazy books to be printed, distributed, and purchased without any problem or hassle. The only difference here between all the other books out there is topic. So you can't go after this book without opening up a can of worms.

I asked a very simple question, where does your zeal for book banning end? At what level do we say "too far"? Particularly on the issue of certain dangerous information which has been allowed for a long long time and previously ruled to be covered by freedom of speech and press.

My point stands, if all you have is deflection then you got nothing. You want to talk about the topic, talk about the topic. Don't run away because you get posts you don't like or maybe don't know how to respond to. That's your choice. I've talked the topic, I've given examples of **** that's allowed that is essentially the same thing. You've given nothing but insult and deflection. So maybe you can back up that big mouth of yours and actually talk about the topic.
 

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sadly, most of these pervs have no need of a "how to" manual. I think, given the liberal atmosphere of current society, it would be hard to convict the "author" of this piece of garbage.

What the hell would you convict them of?
 

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that was the point. even if someone tried to convict the author using the "incitement" angle, they wouldn't get very far.

Do I agree with the author of this trash? no
Do I agree that under our laws he has the right to produce it? yes
 

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So maybe you can back up that big mouth of yours and actually talk about the topic.

We're done here. If you can't at least maintain the pretension of civility, I don't have any use for you.
 

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We're done here. If you can't at least maintain the pretension of civility, I don't have any use for you.

Run away, run away.....

You started it, BTW. Don't think that your little "I see which personality" I got was along some "civil" front. It was an attack and deflection. Why is it that some people can dish this out so easily, but not be able to take it? I merely said that here is an opportunity for you to back up your mouth. You ran it, that is fact. Talking about "does anyone want to talk about the topic". That was you, not me. I was talking about the topic, I got snide and snarky responses from you from post 1 against me. Don't sit there and pretend you didn't. You want to dish, fine by me. But you gotta learn to take too.

Fact of the matter is that I raised questions related to the topic. I gave examples of accepted and legal literature which is similar to the book. All I got from you was deflection and attack and poor snarkiness. You wanted to pretend, you wanted to run that mouth. I'm just asking that you back it up. I've discussed the topic, how about you?
 

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that was the point. even if someone tried to convict the author using the "incitement" angle, they wouldn't get very far.

Do I agree with the author of this trash? no
Do I agree that under our laws he has the right to produce it? yes

I think this is exactly right. It's in poor taste, it's sleazy, and something I wouldn't purchase. But fact of the matter is, this type of stuff is legal and should remain so. You can't start banning books because they're icky. Now if there was actual child porn in the book, I can say "OK, that's over the line"; but I haven't seen anything which suggests that is the case. If there's nothing illegal in the book, then there's nothing we can do to prevent its publishing.
 

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Run away, run away.....

When you stop hearing the rabbit howl, Trudi, and you get all integrated again...then we can have this discussion. But as long as your personalities are fragmenting and attacking, I don't care to read anything you post.
 

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When you stop hearing the rabbit howl, Trudi, and you get all integrated again...then we can have this discussion. But as long as your personalities are fragmenting and attacking, I don't care to read anything you post.

Weren't you just bitching about being civil or something. This is more to the point, you attacked my first post and then threw a fit when you got back what you had thrown out. I have continually spoken to the topic of the thread, but you seem very willing to ignore all of it. Whatever, it's your choice. But don't sit there and try to play the high horse when you were the first in the mud.
 

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Weren't you just bitching about being civil or something.

I'm still waiting for integration back to the Ikari that you can actually interact with and get something out of. :shrug:
 

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that was the point. even if someone tried to convict the author using the "incitement" angle, they wouldn't get very far.

Do I agree with the author of this trash? no
Do I agree that under our laws he has the right to produce it? yes

I agree he's got every right to produce it. I just think he should be held liable if his particular book is used in the commission of a crime against another. Of course, I've also stated clearly before that it's a matter of the tone of the book, too. I think if it takes a tone of advocacy, then nail him to a wall the first chance you get.
 

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I'm still waiting for integration back to the Ikari that you can actually interact with and get something out of. :shrug:

I'm still waiting for someone who doesn't deflect around the issue with lame excuses :shrug:
 

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I'm still waiting for someone who doesn't deflect around the issue with lame excuses :shrug:

Did I not tell you once already that we aren't having this discussion until you learn some manners?
 

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When you stop hearing the rabbit howl, Trudi, and you get all integrated again...then we can have this discussion. But as long as your personalities are fragmenting and attacking, I don't care to read anything you post.

Great book, inclusive of best quote ever. "You're perfectly normal for what you've been through."
 

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Did I not tell you once already that we aren't having this discussion until you learn some manners?

Didn't I already tell you not to play the high horse when you were first in the mud?
 

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Didn't I already tell you not to play the high horse when you were first in the mud?

I see we're still fragmenting and attacking. Learn some manners and then we can play. If you can't do that, move along. There are plenty of other kids in this sandbox who might indulge your tantrums. I'm just not the one.
 
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