16yr old Gay teen, sent to Heterosexual boot camp!

[26 X World Champs]

please do not tell my kid that a specific type of sex is ok - albiet same sex, S&M, oral or anything out of the normal boundaries.

Are you saying that oral sex is not "normal"?

 

[Schweddy]

Are you saying that oral sex is not "normal"?

Not for youngersters.

 

[ShamMol]

My parents have always had the belief that we are the person we make ourselves. This type of camp belittles taht belief system because it makes you into the person you will become with no say of the person being changed. I've had a friend struggle with the issue, but in the end, he just knew he was gay. He tried to watch straight porn, tried dating girls, tried the whole thing, but in the end just knew. Now, I am not gay, but I think that it was this journey that allowed him to discover himself and now he isn't depressed and is in fact, quite happy (or gay...pun). I think that this necessary element of self-discovery should be for everyone and nobody should force beliefs on their children.

 

[Libertarian]

It cannot be denied that male homosexuality is statistically a self destructive lifestyle and no concerned parents would want their children to engage in behaviors such aas male homosexuality which statistically shorten ones lifespan or in the case of both male and female homosexuals, statistically is far more likely to have domestic violence in the household then heterosexual relationships.

For the same reason if a teen was going down the route of alcohol or drug abuse, no decent parent would hesitate to engage in an intervention program out of love for their children. Now I am sure drug addicts could say that many drug addicts have been productive people in society and have given us great music, etc, but the point is still made.

 

[GarzaUK]

It cannot be denied that male homosexuality is statistically a self destructive lifestyle and no concerned parents would want their children to engage in behaviors such aas male homosexuality which statistically shorten ones lifespan or in the case of both male and female homosexuals, statistically is far more likely to have domestic violence in the household then heterosexual relationships.

For the same reason if a teen was going down the route of alcohol or drug abuse, no decent parent would hesitate to engage in an intervention program out of love for their children. Now I am sure drug addicts could say that many drug addicts have been productive people in society and have given us great music, etc, but the point is still made.

I live in the United Kingdom, which has the highest divorce rate in Europe - yet has no Gay Marriage, compared to the Netherlands - which does.
I'm also sure that any parent would want grandchildren and therefore make bais towards "straightness". I can understand that, and so can every gay person - which makes he/she feel like they have let their parents down for being who they are. And that is how "coming out" is so hard.

The main question is are homosexuals human beings? With the same capacities and responsiblities as and other person. If yes, then don't they derserve the same freedoms and priveledges as every other human on free world.
I'm not asking for you to agree with homosexuality, but rather to accept it as a way of life for a minority.

 

[JustineCredible]

Not for youngersters.

Unfortunately it's becomming more and more popular as it's not seen as "sex." Especially with the whole "Abstenence Only" campaign.

Teens and sex

Rainbow Parties

Oral Sex and Young Adolescents

 

[Libertarian]

If yes, then don't they derserve the same freedoms and priveledges as every other human on free world.
I'm not asking for you to agree with homosexuality, but rather to accept it as a way of life for a minority.

Then we must also give pedophiles and necrophiles and zoophiles and coprophiles the same freedoms and privleges, otehrwise we are discriminating against them too.

We must then also "accept it as a way of life for a minority". We therfore should allow those who have sex with feces to be able to marry a steaming pile of runny s%!*t and we will accept it as a legitimate alternative family unit and allow them to marry, after all, it must be genetic because nobody "just one day wakes up and decides to be a coprophile".

 

[Libertarian]

Her'es why parents are right to want to keep homosexuals away from their children.....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/16/serial.molestation.ap/index.html

 

[Urethra Franklin]

I know that if I could change to a heterosexual I would. Heck, if I was granted one wish it would be to become heterosexual. Why would I want my parents to hate me and my religion to frown down upon me.

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That's sad.
I have gay friends who wouldn't change, because they love who they are, their parents accept them and they don't have enslaving religions to throw unwarranted guilt trips on them.
You can't change your sexuality, but you can change your attitude. Do you really believe in god? If so, there are churches which have more enlightened views, gay religious groups etc. And if your parents hate you, frankly, they're not worth it. Disown them. They're not nice people.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

The "I am gay" clause is truely irrelivant.

If only it were irrelevant, but sadly it's not with people like you out there to give them a hard time.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

Then we must also give pedophiles and necrophiles and zoophiles and coprophiles the same freedoms and privleges, otehrwise we are discriminating against them too.

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These people don't have sex between consenting adults. There is the difference. That you compare yourself to these people just because you are gay is really not justified.

 

[Schweddy]

If only it were irrelevant, but sadly it's not with people like you out there to give them a hard time.

Ah, but it is. When I meet someone and they say "Hi, my name is Bob and I am Gay". Or (and I know you will take out of context) if someone were to say "Hi, my name is Sally and I am a Christian". It is setting oneself up for judgement off the bat. In both scenario's is this something I need to know? I immediately put them on a list - that is human nature.
If however, over the course of building a friendship the above becomes known, it is a completely different matter.

I just do not understand the "closet" thing.

 

[GarzaUK]

Her'es why parents are right to want to keep homosexuals away from their children.....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/16/serial.molestation.ap/index.html

Typically arrogant minded to say that all homosexuals are child molesters and a pure myth too.

Which gender kills the most children? You may be surprised that woman kill more children that men do. However when I man does it, it is grusome with sexual impulses and therefore on the news. Get what I'm saying.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

Ah, but it is. When I meet someone and they say "Hi, my name is Bob and I am Gay". Or (and I know you will take out of context) if someone were to say "Hi, my name is Sally and I am a Christian". It is setting oneself up for judgement off the bat. In both scenario's is this something I need to know? I immediately put them on a list - that is human nature.
If however, over the course of building a friendship the above becomes known, it is a completely different matter.

I just do not understand the "closet" thing.

I don't know any gay people who's opening line is "I'm Sally, I'm gay" but I have met many drippy, fish wearing, guitar playing, happy clappers who open with "I'm Sally, I'm a Christian" which in such circumstances is usually greeted with "I'm Urethra, why don't you **** off?"

 

[Schweddy]

I don't know any gay people who's opening line is "I'm Sally, I'm gay" but I have met many drippy, fish wearing, guitar playing, happy clappers who open with "I'm Sally, I'm a Christian" which in such circumstances is usually greeted with "I'm Urethra, why don't you **** off?"

I have met at least 2 with an opening line about them being gay. Though I would never say **** off. I would say "thats nice" go my merry way and think they are worthless and that attitude is what is destorying America.

 

[Naughty Nurse]

I have met at least 2 with an opening line about them being gay. Though I would never say **** off. I would say "thats nice" go my merry way and think they are worthless and that attitude is what is destorying America.

I have never met anyone who has introduced themselves in that way, and I would never do so. You've met 2 in your entire life? And from this you can judge the rest of us? And those 2 people are managing to destroy America, which the might of the USSR failed to do? Really?

Vauge, I think you are more intelligent than that.

 

[JustineCredible]

Then we must also give pedophiles and necrophiles and zoophiles and coprophiles the same freedoms and privleges, otehrwise we are discriminating against them too.

Give me a break, we ALREADY allow theives, murders, tax evaders, wife beaters, rapists...etc to marry the person of their choice.

We must then also "accept it as a way of life for a minority". We therfore should allow those who have sex with feces to be able to marry a steaming pile of runny s%!*t and we will accept it as a legitimate alternative family unit and allow them to marry, after all, it must be genetic because nobody "just one day wakes up and decides to be a coprophile".

Now you're just going off on a tangent without purpose. First off, and I find my even having to tackle this issue with any adult to be ridiculous, coprophiles aren't romantically involved with "steaming piles of runny $%!*t" they are romantically involved with the PERSON.
Granted, I find coprophilia really really really disgusting, but you know, as long as I'M NOT the one who's romantically involved one either. As long as I don't have to deal with it, it's not in MY house, I don't have to see it...I really don't care.

 

[flip2]

I have never met anyone who has introduced themselves in that way, and I would never do so. You've met 2 in your entire life? And from this you can judge the rest of us? And those 2 people are managing to destroy America, which the might of the USSR failed to do? Really?

Vauge, I think you are more intelligent than that.

Believe it or not, there are many in the United States, mainly young people, who do let everyone know that they are gay. Not just by what they wear or act, but by that very first "opening line." As for Urethra making that comment about Christians, I've learned not to take her so seriously.

 

[crimson372]

That's sad.
I have gay friends who wouldn't change, because they love who they are, their parents accept them and they don't have enslaving religions to throw unwarranted guilt trips on them.
You can't change your sexuality, but you can change your attitude. Do you really believe in god? If so, there are churches which have more enlightened views, gay religious groups etc. And if your parents hate you, frankly, they're not worth it. Disown them. They're not nice people.

Yeah, but it's even harder because I'm so faithful to my religion. I even believe that homosexuals are going to hell, and that I am too, but I still love God and that won't change my faith. Thanks for the invite but the enlightened church views aren't for me.

I just do not understand the "closet" thing.

Are you serious? After religious, social, and governmental (not a word) oppression you don't see why someone would want to keep being gay a secret.

I have never met anyone who has introduced themselves in that way, and I would never do so. You've met 2 in your entire life? And from this you can judge the rest of us? And those 2 people are managing to destroy America, which the might of the USSR failed to do? Really?

Vauge, I think you are more intelligent than that.

Kudos. That was well said. I couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[Arch Enemy]

If my kid thought he was gay, after looking further into it - this might be an option. Sorry, don't buy the genetics thing. Hate is such a strong word. I don't "HATE" anyone, yet I am sure that many reading this would think otherwise. I just disagree with the lifestyle.

I respect that you'd like your children to respect your authority, instead of giving them too much freedom at an early age. But I don't think you should send them to a camp which forces them to change their life-style, especially with something like sexual preference. I agree, if your child is bashing little kids at school, and stealing the teacher's money then boot-camp is the best option. Just because a life of criminal activity is dangerous for both parties but a life of Homosexuality isn't dangerous at all.

 

[Schweddy]

I have never met anyone who has introduced themselves in that way, and I would never do so. You've met 2 in your entire life? And from this you can judge the rest of us? And those 2 people are managing to destroy America, which the might of the USSR failed to do? Really?

Vauge, I think you are more intelligent than that.

Of course I have met more than 2 most of which I never knew until it came out in conversation. Of course those 2 are not the sole culprit to destroying America. It is the arrogance of such activity that is destorying us.

Are you serious? After religious, social, and governmental (not a word) oppression you don't see why someone would want to keep being gay a secret.

I should have said that I do not understand the 'coming out of the closet' thing. It is quite annoying as I could careless and it is none of my business. It's sole purpose is to hurt the ones they love while putting themselves on a pedestal.

 

[JustineCredible]

Of course I have met more than 2 most of which I never knew until it came out in conversation. Of course those 2 are not the sole culprit to destroying America. It is the arrogance of such activity that is destorying us.


I should have said that I do not understand the 'coming out of the closet' thing. It is quite annoying as I could careless and it is none of my business. It's sole purpose is to hurt the ones they love while putting themselves on a pedestal.

WOW, now that comment sums up to be the worded equivalent to an ostrich putting its head in the sand.

I agree that it SHOULD be a non-issue, but we have not as a society, evolved to that level. The only way for that to happen is for discrimination of gays and lesbians to end completely.
Since the likelihood of that happening, with so many religious zealots screaming from their soapboxes about how homosexuals are single handedly destroying the fabric of society, is about nil, I wouldn't suggest holding your breath.
The thing is, some gays/lesbians really do HAVE to "come out." It's not meant to hurt anyone, it's meant as an honest statement of fact. For you to even suggest that it's meant to hurt those who receive the message is highly arrogant of you.

"Hurt" is relative.

When I "came out" I knew the risk of hurt was there, but the fact is, no one was actually hurt. My parents were actually quite relieved that I had finally come to terms with my sexuality, since they seemed to be wondering why I hadn't yet by that time.
When I "came out" to my son, it was not meant to hurt him, but rather to allow him to be informed so that if someone later down the road of life decided to attack him because of his mother's sexuality, it would not suddenly come as a shock to him.

No, in fact the whole "coming out" process is meant as a way of ending Hurt and lies.

 

[crimson372]

Of course I have met more than 2 most of which I never knew until it came out in conversation. Of course those 2 are not the sole culprit to destroying America. It is the arrogance of such activity that is destorying us.

Please be more clear, do you mean that homosexuals are arrogant about being gay or people are arrogant about something else. I don't mean to be rude I was just wondering what you meant.

I should have said that I do not understand the 'coming out of the closet' thing. It is quite annoying as I could careless and it is none of my business. It's sole purpose is to hurt the ones they love while putting themselves on a pedestal.

I presume you have never came out of the closet so how can you tell people what the purpose of coming out of the closet is. In a world were everyone assumed eachother was gay I'm sure you'd want to come out and tell people you are straight, I mean how do you plan on meeting people if you stay in the closet about something. Maybe your comment would work with people who going around gloating that they are gay but to say that the only reason someone would come out of the closet is to hurt their loved ones and put themselves on a pedestal is a lie. That doesn't even make sense. I came out of the closet because I was tired of being harassed by my friends about "when am I gonna get a girlfriend" and "do you think she's hot" and although they responded with they didn't want to know, it really truly isn't about them, it's about me being true to myself. I certainly did not want to hurt anyone I loved (I actually made some people happy) and I didn't want to be put on a pedestal. (actually it made a lot of people oppress me and treat me worse, not say "oh he's gay, I look up to him")

 

[Schweddy]

Please be more clear, do you mean that homosexuals are arrogant about being gay or people are arrogant about something else. I don't mean to be rude I was just wondering what you meant.

Earlier I mentioned about Christians exclaiming that they are Christians upon being met - it is arrogant to do so. Who really cares? Answer: they do. The same applies to gays - who really cares? They do. It is that arrogance that is forcing us to "accept them for who they are". If one is true to themselves, they don't have to explain what they do in private.

I presume you have never came out of the closet so how can you tell people what the purpose of coming out of the closet is. In a world were everyone assumed eachother was gay I'm sure you'd want to come out and tell people you are straight, I mean how do you plan on meeting people if you stay in the closet about something. Maybe your comment would work with people who going around gloating that they are gay but to say that the only reason someone would come out of the closet is to hurt their loved ones and put themselves on a pedestal is a lie. That doesn't even make sense. I came out of the closet because I was tired of being harassed by my friends about "when am I gonna get a girlfriend" and "do you think she's hot" and although they responded with they didn't want to know, it really truly isn't about them, it's about me being true to myself. I certainly did not want to hurt anyone I loved (I actually made some people happy) and I didn't want to be put on a pedestal. (actually it made a lot of people oppress me and treat me worse, not say "oh he's gay, I look up to him")

Your right, the closet has never been for me because I am not gay. Rarely do I exclaim my personal position on things(outside this forum - unless solicited), I try to keep to myself. Now, I do brag about my 2 year old as he is the most wonderfiul thing in the world. Many times that is for opening discussion to someone I do not know. Many times it is a humrous approach.

I can be true to myself without exclaiming my sexuality. I can be true to myself without letting the world know my religious postion. If however it comes up in discussion - that is a different story.

 

[shuamort]

I can be true to myself without exclaiming my sexuality. I can be true to myself without letting the world know my religious postion. If however it comes up in discussion - that is a different story.

I completely agree there. I don't wear my sexuality on my sleeve and tend to avoid those that do (people that put the rainbow sticker on their car etc.)

Here's a question for you though Vauge. You're walking in a park and see a husband and wife walking by and holding hands. Are you ok with that? Would it be different if it were two women?