Folks,
We're lost as a people. We can't bring ourselves to utter the name of the group who have repeatedly tried, and sometimes succeeded, in killing American citizens on American soil.
No one serious is suggesting that the desert religion called Islam is responsible. But at the same time no serious person is denying that over the last decade we have experienced a series of attempted acts of terrorism by people who are acting in the name of their deity.
If we had experienced an unending series of attempted attacks by people like Timothy McVeigh I would suggest that we have a problem with some Christians committing acts of terrorism in the name of their god. And no one on this forum would have the slightest problem with this characterization. That's because xtianity is not protected by the mantle of political correctness.
There is a problem we have with an enemy within. The enemy is not Islam. The enemy is those people who commit savage acts of terrorism against their fellow Americans based on the belief that to do so some how serves their god.
I ask over and over again how can we prevent radicalized American Muslims from becoming "Lone Wolf" terrorists from killing our brothers and sisters without violating the Constitution? People on the Right don't seem to be concerned with the Constitution, but the people on the Left seem to think that American citizens on American soil should simply absorb the death and mayhem. We are lost as a people.
Because when you're being politically correct and thinking "logically" you can't honestly suggest a couple hundred thousand goat ****ers are going to bring down America, now can you?! :lol:
Your joking right?
The fact is, the man that committed this killing spree was a radical Muslim that murdered those people in the name of Islam.
Those are the facts pal... DEAL WITH IT!
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He was on a notoriously conservative-slanting show, Hole'Reilly's show isn't the best place to debut "facts" unless you only want to appeal to conservatives or maybe hope that MSNBC will pick up clips and use them to vilify the right. Not many people are going to see this as "factual" or objective, Grim.
And as much as I trust the judgment of military personnel, they can be subjective too.
Jesus Christ... The man is a retired US military officer stating the obvious.
There is no doubt that his extremist views played a factor in what happened. Was it the ONLY factor. Who knows? I'm certainly not going to jump to conclusions.
To blame all of Islam for this is completely absurd. That was my point.
In the video you posted, that guy essentially criticized Obama for not jumping to conclusions even though the investigation is still ongoing and being an anti-Muslim jackass like he was. Boo hoo... :roll:
There may have been other factors, but the bottom line is, the man committed this crime in the name of his religion, and to ignore that fact is asinine.
I agree... and I for one, do not blame the entire religion of Islam for terrorism.
There are things in that video he said, that I don't agree with. For one, he said the problem was "Islam", when he should have said "radical Islam". I don't know whether he mis-spoke or not, but what he said about how this is being white washed by the media and the administration, is dead on.
Come on... You can't be serious here?
Do you mean to tell me, that all the witnesses that heard what he said, all the people who knew him and his beliefs prior to the shooting, and all the evidence of his communications with radical Islamic leaders, all paints a false or deceiving picture of who this guy was and what his motives were?
There hasn't been one person that was close to the man that has stepped up and said that his beliefs (not religious) were any different.
As for "jumping to conclusions", I seem to remember a certain incident with a cop and a black college professor Obama had no problem coming to a conclusion about, that unlike this incident, he had NO INFORMATION about.
Getting back on topic I think now that there can be no question that he is a terrorist and committed and act of terrorism against this country...........Anyone that does not believe that is just kidding themselves
Thanks for answering my question.
Islam is like the other desert religions, ie., a mixture of compassion and viciousness. So I don't hold the tenets of Islam responsible as the cause of the death of my brothers and sisters at the hands of your co-religionist.
However, that doesn't end the inquiry. The question posed is how can my brothers and sisters avoid death and injury at the hands of some Muslim Americans who kill us in the name of their religion?
Have you paid attention to the news this year. There is a steady drumbeat of planned attacks by Muslim Americans against non-Muslim Americans in the name of Islam. There was a recent shoot out between groups of young Muslim American men and the FBI.
I notice that Hindu Americans, Buddhist Americans, Jain Americans, Jewish Americans, Animist Americans, Christian Americans (except for the abortion murderer), Sikh Americans, Atheist Americans and Agnostic Americans, have not attempted to commit mass murder in the name of their religions or beliefs during the last decade. The attempted mass murderers come from a single community. From this I have concluded that there are some people in that community who are the deadly enemies of my brothers and sisters.
So I say to you how can my brothers and sisters be protected without compromising the US Constitution? Saying that my brothers and sisters must simply absorb the mayhem will not be accepted as a polite response.
U.S. military doctors overseeing Nidal Malik Hasan's medical training were concerned he was "psychotic" and possibly capable of killing other American soldiers, before the Army major allegedly went on a deadly shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas.
Psychiatrists and medical officials at Walter Reed Army Medical Center held a series of meetings beginning in the Spring of 2008 to discuss serious concerns about his work and behavior, National Public Radio reported.
One of the questions they asked: Was Hasan psychotic?
"Put it this way," one official told NPR. "Everybody felt that if you were deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, you would not want Nidal Hasan in your foxhole."
One official who participated in the discussions reportedly told others he was worried that if Hasan was deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, he might leak covert military information to Islamic extremists, NPR reported.
Another official "wondered aloud" to colleagues whether Hasan might be capable of killing fellow soldiers in the same way a Muslim sergeant in 2003 had set off grenades at a base in Kuwait, killing two and wounding 14, the radio network reported.
The officials who discussed Hasan's status were unaware — as some top Walter Reed hospital officials were — that intelligence agencies had been tracking Hasan's e-mails to a radical imam since December 2008, NPR said.
Officials considered kicking Hasan out of the program but chose not to partly because firing a doctor is a "cumbersome and lengthy" process that involves hearings and potential legal conflict, sources told NPR.
Officials also believed they lacked solid evidence that Hasan was unstable and were concerned they could be accused of discriminating against him because of his Islamic identity or views.
I blame the ease of misinterpretation of Islam for this. I mean, you don't really have to stray all that far from the text to turn "Religion of Peace" into 9/11.
Wow, so his was showing signs of being psychotic early on. Huh, I just can't imagine that. :roll:
This article also serves to damn several military officials for failing to do their goddamned duty.
So the point is how me as Muslim and Middle Eastern got no hatred to thousands miles away people while someone lives with them and wants them dead. There must be something wrong either with Americans or with the teachings they get over there , and I don't support the two opinions.
You were in the military, why would his command staff ignore such obvious problems?
Officials considered kicking Hasan out of the program but chose not to partly because firing a doctor is a "cumbersome and lengthy" process that involves hearings and potential legal conflict, sources told NPR.
Officials also believed they lacked solid evidence that Hasan was unstable and were concerned they could be accused of discriminating against him because of his Islamic identity or views.
The concerns about Hasan's performance and religious views were shared with other military officials considering his assignment after he finished his medical training, and the consensus was to send the 39-year-old psychiatrist to Fort Hood, an official told the Associated Press.
Hasan was characterized in the meetings as a mediocre student and lazy worker, a matter of concern among the doctors and staff at Walter Reed and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, a military medical school in Bethesda, Maryland, an official told The Associated Press.
Fort Hood, one of the country's largest military installations, was considered the best assignment for Hasan because other doctors could handle the workload if he continued to perform poorly and his superiors could document any continued behavior problems, the official said.
I have no idea, the Army I served in didn't have officers who would ignore an obviously imbalanced soldier that they feared was an internal threat. Their excuse here appears to be that they were afraid they would be accused of religious discrimination and firing a doctor was simply too cumbersome of a process, so they sent him to Ft. Hood where he would become their issue to deal with.
Yes, the still unanswerable question is "How can my brothers and sisters avoid death and injury at the hands of some Muslim Americans who kill us in the name of their religion?"
I couldn't answer that question simply because I don't know or I can't Imagine the real motives for them to do that .
I always thought that the American-Muslims holds less or no hatred to the US since they do live there, and for me I see no problem with Americans (and so does the majority), or they aren't that bad that they got killed because a Muslim said so according to imaginary wrong thoughts in his mind or whatever .
So the point is how me as Muslim and Middle Eastern got no hatred to thousands miles away people while someone lives with them and wants them dead. There must be something wrong either with Americans or with the teachings they get over there , and I don't support the two opinions.
So then, to some degree, political correctness aappears to have hampered the military's ability to respond to a person who should not be serving, and that ultimately unleashed this killer on his co-workers.
I do think that religion and race have become those political footballs that no one wants to touch with a ten-foot pole. I think that at this point, a middle eastern muslim man is much less likely to be identified and fired for being loony toons than a white Christian man. Ditto a person of color. Mainly, because no one wants to be stigmatized as being racist these days, and because these individuals can come back and suggest that their firing was really race/religion related. It's really hard to rebound from being labeled a racist, professionally speaking, even if the person really is completely incompetent.
That's a problem, from my perspective. It's a problem that is just as big as the whackadoos who think that all muslims are terrorists.
Those officials had a clear duty to act and they didn't because they were afraid someone might accuse them of being discriminatory. The facts would have supported them if they were indeed telling the truth. Career officers who didn't want to make waves and wanted to shovel a problem over to someone else. That's not PC, that's self serving cowardice of the worst kind.
Codswallop.
Awesome, cool, you're on record of sacrificing military men and womens lives so you can get rid of Political Correctness. Thanks. That tells me all I need to know.
So you're questioning his patriotism with strawmen? Seems to me the mods can say anything they want around here with impunity. Show me where are troops are not getting body armor.So essentially you're fully in favor of taxes going up, government debt going up, and still after that likely either government spending going up or large amounts of missing needed equipment for our troops that are going to be serving in the line of danger because you want to make a point about Political Correctness.
How patriotic of you. Much more important to get political correctness out of the military than perhaps supplying body armor.
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