• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

1000 or more Ukrainians blocking Russian troops at the entrance to Enerhodar nuclear power plant

maxparrish

Conservatarian
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 28, 2011
Messages
12,223
Reaction score
7,687
Location
SF Bay Area
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Just Incredible. There looks to be over a thousand civilians who turned out to block a narrow road to a nuclear power plant. They are blocking the entrance of the plant to prevent Russan troops from gaining control.

So what do the Russian troops do now, run them over? Order an artillery barrage? Such courage these people have.


 

phoenix2020

Founder, Cyborg Gorillas
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 4, 2020
Messages
9,180
Reaction score
11,422
Location
California
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
That's awesome. Thanks for sharing.
 

MaryP

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 9, 2018
Messages
19,837
Reaction score
12,469
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Independent
Just Incredible. There looks to be over a thousand civilians who turned out to block a narrow road to a nuclear power plant. They are blocking the entrance of the plant to prevent Russan troops from gaining control.

So what do the Russian troops do now, run them over? Order an artillery barrage? Such courage these people have.



I don't want to see what happens next.
 

EnigmaO01

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 5, 2009
Messages
19,180
Reaction score
12,646
Location
Indiana
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
Just Incredible. There looks to be over a thousand civilians who turned out to block a narrow road to a nuclear power plant. They are blocking the entrance of the plant to prevent Russan troops from gaining control.

So what do the Russian troops do now, run them over? Order an artillery barrage? Such courage these people have.



Brings tears to my eyes. Such courage.
 

maxparrish

Conservatarian
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 28, 2011
Messages
12,223
Reaction score
7,687
Location
SF Bay Area
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
I don't want to see what happens next.

By in large Russian troops have been very decent around civilians, most likely for two reasons a) they don't even know why they are there and b) they are fellow Slavs and Russians...they seem very reluctant at times to do what they are doing.

Alas, long range artillery and ballistic missiles are launched far away, using grid coordinates. Very impersonal. If a group officer calls it in to do what his troops wont do, well you can imagine..
 

oneworld2

Handsome Pitbull
DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 3, 2014
Messages
18,830
Reaction score
2,656
Location
UK
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Left
By in large Russian troops have been very decent around civilians, most likely for two reasons a) they don't even know why they are there and b) they are fellow Slavs and Russians...they seem very reluctant at times to do what they are doing.

Alas, long range artillery and ballistic missiles are launched far away, using grid coordinates. Very impersonal. If a group officer calls it in to do what his troops wont do, well you can imagine..


That second phase was always the going to be by far the worst .

I haven't liked the goading of the Russian troops performance by so many people here and outside, They are sent to do the will of others and I have seen a few clips where they have, as you say, been " pretty decent" around the Ukrainian civilians they have been in close proximity to.

The sniggering, maybe not the right word exactly, about how they have been suffering losses forgets that they themselves didn't start any war , might not agree with the war but might also end up losing their lives in it.
 

Rogue Valley

Putin = War Criminal
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
83,206
Reaction score
68,189
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Just Incredible. There looks to be over a thousand civilians who turned out to block a narrow road to a nuclear power plant. They are blocking the entrance of the plant to prevent Russan troops from gaining control.

Enerhodar (52,000) is a town near the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. Zaporizhzhia is the site of the largest nuclear power facility in Europe. There is also a magnificent hydroelectric dam there.

Zaporizhzhia was at one time the capital of the Zaporizhzhia Sich Cossack empire. On an island in the Dnieper River, Cossacks still give shows exhibiting their horsemanship.

They are really good. I can ride fairly well, but not like that. The people of Zaporizhzhia are brave and stubborn. You can easily see this in the video above.
 

Gateman_Wen

Official disruptive influence
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 27, 2017
Messages
20,062
Reaction score
21,402
Location
Middle of it all
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
Just Incredible. There looks to be over a thousand civilians who turned out to block a narrow road to a nuclear power plant. They are blocking the entrance of the plant to prevent Russan troops from gaining control.

So what do the Russian troops do now, run them over? Order an artillery barrage? Such courage these people have.



Amazing to see them putting down their lives to protect their country.


Instead of attacking it like tRump supporters.
 

Rogue Valley

Putin = War Criminal
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
83,206
Reaction score
68,189
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
I gotta say, the Ukrainians have displayed gigantic balls throughout this entire thing.

The video reminds me of the military funerals. Specifically the ones in rural areas. When a soldier was KIA in eastern Ukraine, s/he was placed in a wooden coffin which was placed in a van for the journey home. I've never before seen anything like this. People would line up on both sides of the road, miles distant from the local church/cemetery. Stretching for miles along a one lane rural road! And they would all be kneeling. And it didn't matter if they were kneeling in sunshine, or puddles, or snow drifts. Then the funeral procession would arrive with the van in front. Men and boys would all remove their hats and somberly lower their heads. Women and girls would do the sign of the cross and be crying. As the four vehicle funeral procession passed, the people would fall in behind, walking. For miles they walked until they reached the cemetery. Priests would be there to do their thing. The national anthem of Ukraine would be sung by all as the coffin was lowered into the ground.

One of the most profound things I have ever witnessed in my entire life.
 

watsup

DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 17, 2020
Messages
25,837
Reaction score
8,636
Location
Springfield MO
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
Just Incredible. There looks to be over a thousand civilians who turned out to block a narrow road to a nuclear power plant. They are blocking the entrance of the plant to prevent Russan troops from gaining control.

So what do the Russian troops do now, run them over? Order an artillery barrage? Such courage these people have.




Such brave people. Before this is over, Putin is going to commit an atrocity so brutal that total shock on the part of the world will be the reaction. He has gone mad.
 

maxparrish

Conservatarian
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 28, 2011
Messages
12,223
Reaction score
7,687
Location
SF Bay Area
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Putin is done. In the western world I mean, Chairman Xi loves him.

I hope the world is shocked without a great atrocity being needed. But even as I write, after a week of the war I'm getting the sense that people are losing interest. Biden's SOTU was a real disappointment, I'd hoped he make 80 percent of his speech about a world crisis in Ukraine, and Churchillian moment - instead it sounded like same old stuff we hear every year...in some ways very petty and self absorbed compared to what is occurring there.
 

maxparrish

Conservatarian
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 28, 2011
Messages
12,223
Reaction score
7,687
Location
SF Bay Area
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Enerhodar (52,000) is a town near the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. Zaporizhzhia is the site of the largest nuclear power facility in Europe. There is also a magnificent hydroelectric dam there.

Zaporizhzhia was at one time the capital of the Zaporizhzhia Sich Cossack empire. On an island in the Dnieper River, Cossacks still give shows exhibiting their horsemanship.

They are really good. I can ride fairly well, but not like that. The people of Zaporizhzhia are brave and stubborn. You can easily see this in the video above.

Troubling news from Zaporizhia:

 

Gladiator

Verifier
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 21, 2007
Messages
4,617
Reaction score
636
Location
Suburbia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
"Russia-Ukraine war latest news: foreign minister urges ceasefire after shelling starts fire at nuclear power plant – live
Exact location of fire at Zaporizhzhya power plant unclear as Dmytro Kuleba urges Russian forces to allow in firefighters; Ukrainian president tells Russian leader direct talks are ‘only way to stop this war’"

"Fire breaks out at Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant
A fire has broken out in Europe’s largest nuclear power plant located in Zaporizhzhya, according to an announcement from plant employees and the mayor of the nearby town of Enerhodar.
“As a result of continuous enemy shelling of buildings and units of the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is on fire,” Enerhodar Mayor Dmytro Orlov said on his Telegram channel just after 1.30am local time, citing what he called a threat to world security.
Orlov recorded a short video message which has now been shared my multiple local Ukrainian media outlets, urging Russian troops to immediately stop shelling the plant."








If electric pumps stop pumping cooling water to the reactor, the core can melt down.





//
 
Last edited:

jpn

Retired Navy Commander
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 3, 2014
Messages
11,236
Reaction score
9,883
Location
Pacific NW
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
That second phase was always the going to be by far the worst .
I haven't liked the goading of the Russian troops performance by so many people here and outside, They are sent to do the will of others and I have seen a few clips where they have, as you say, been " pretty decent" around the Ukrainian civilians they have been in close proximity to.
The sniggering, maybe not the right word exactly, about how they have been suffering losses forgets that they themselves didn't start any war , might not agree with the war but might also end up losing their lives in it.
Yeah, that's kind of the problem with autocracies, isn't it? The military never knows where the kleptocratic psycho in power is going to send them.

Hell, even nutty George W Bush's idiotic invasion of Iraq had congressional approval.
 

jpn

Retired Navy Commander
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 3, 2014
Messages
11,236
Reaction score
9,883
Location
Pacific NW
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
"Fire breaks out at Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant
If anything would activate NATO, it would be this.

It would be self-defense of the West to snuff out a Russian military that was recklessly destroying nuclear power plants. It's unbelievably, stupidly provocative.
 

watsup

DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 17, 2020
Messages
25,837
Reaction score
8,636
Location
Springfield MO
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
"Russia-Ukraine war latest news: foreign minister urges ceasefire after shelling starts fire at nuclear power plant – live
Exact location of fire at Zaporizhzhya power plant unclear as Dmytro Kuleba urges Russian forces to allow in firefighters; Ukrainian president tells Russian leader direct talks are ‘only way to stop this war’"

"Fire breaks out at Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant
A fire has broken out in Europe’s largest nuclear power plant located in Zaporizhzhya, according to an announcement from plant employees and the mayor of the nearby town of Enerhodar.
“As a result of continuous enemy shelling of buildings and units of the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is on fire,” Enerhodar Mayor Dmytro Orlov said on his Telegram channel just after 1.30am local time, citing what he called a threat to world security.
Orlov recorded a short video message which has now been shared my multiple local Ukrainian media outlets, urging Russian troops to immediately stop shelling the plant."








If electric pumps stop pumping cooling water to the reactor, the core can melt down.





//

The madman Putin knows no depth to his evil.
 

maxparrish

Conservatarian
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 28, 2011
Messages
12,223
Reaction score
7,687
Location
SF Bay Area
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
"Russia-Ukraine war latest news: foreign minister urges ceasefire after shelling starts fire at nuclear power plant – live
Exact location of fire at Zaporizhzhya power plant unclear as Dmytro Kuleba urges Russian forces to allow in firefighters; Ukrainian president tells Russian leader direct talks are ‘only way to stop this war’"

"Fire breaks out at Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant
A fire has broken out in Europe’s largest nuclear power plant located in Zaporizhzhya, according to an announcement from plant employees and the mayor of the nearby town of Enerhodar.
“As a result of continuous enemy shelling of buildings and units of the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is on fire,” Enerhodar Mayor Dmytro Orlov said on his Telegram channel just after 1.30am local time, citing what he called a threat to world security.
Orlov recorded a short video message which has now been shared my multiple local Ukrainian media outlets, urging Russian troops to immediately stop shelling the plant."



If electric pumps stop pumping cooling water to the reactor, the core can melt down.

What brainless local commander would allow his troops to fire in the direction of a nuclear power plant. My God, that is totally insane.
 

Hamish Howl

Horrible Bastard
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 16, 2019
Messages
29,909
Reaction score
25,581
Location
Tucson
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
What brainless local commander would allow his troops to fire in the direction of a nuclear power plant. My God, that is totally insane.

This is Keystone Kops level bullshit.
 

Gladiator

Verifier
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 21, 2007
Messages
4,617
Reaction score
636
Location
Suburbia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
If all Ukranians left Ukrania, Russia wins.

The Russian army goes home if they win, regardless of any radiation leak in Ukraine.


Russia hates any Western sympathizers being anywhere near Russia. Just as the US was sensitive about Russian missles in Cuba.

"In the case of Ukraine, NATO membership for that country implied the expulsion of Russia from the naval base of Sevastopol in Crimea (a city of immense importance to Russia, both strategic and emotional), and the creation of a hard international frontier between Russia and the Russian and Russian-speaking minorities in Ukraine, making up more than a third of the Ukrainian population.

The Russian establishment fears in addition that NATO would act as a cover for a program of state-backed Ukrainian ethnic nationalism intended to destroy Russian Culture...."




//
 

watsup

DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 17, 2020
Messages
25,837
Reaction score
8,636
Location
Springfield MO
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
If all Ukranians left Ukrania, Russia wins.

The Russian army goes home if they win, regardless of any radiation leak in Ukraine.


Russia hates any Western sympathizers being anywhere near Russia. Just as the US was sensitive about Russian missles in Cuba.

"In the case of Ukraine, NATO membership for that country implied the expulsion of Russia from the naval base of Sevastopol in Crimea (a city of immense importance to Russia, both strategic and emotional), and the creation of a hard international frontier between Russia and the Russian and Russian-speaking minorities in Ukraine, making up more than a third of the Ukrainian population.

The Russian establishment fears in addition that NATO would act as a cover for a program of state-backed Ukrainian ethnic nationalism intended to destroy Russian Culture...."




//

You’ve been reading too much Russian propaganda.
 

maxparrish

Conservatarian
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 28, 2011
Messages
12,223
Reaction score
7,687
Location
SF Bay Area
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
If all Ukranians left Ukrania, Russia wins.

The Russian army goes home if they win, regardless of any radiation leak in Ukraine.


Russia hates any Western sympathizers being anywhere near Russia. Just as the US was sensitive about Russian missles in Cuba.

"In the case of Ukraine, NATO membership for that country implied the expulsion of Russia from the naval base of Sevastopol in Crimea (a city of immense importance to Russia, both strategic and emotional), and the creation of a hard international frontier between Russia and the Russian and Russian-speaking minorities in Ukraine, making up more than a third of the Ukrainian population.

The Russian establishment fears in addition that NATO would act as a cover for a program of state-backed Ukrainian ethnic nationalism intended to destroy Russian Culture...."


//

So the presence of a western sympathizer is equal to the presence of an IRBM with a nuclear warhead?

Now that daffy equivalency is a first.
 
Top Bottom