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10-year-old upset about waking up early/headset guns down mother; charged as an adult

I do know one thing, it won't be the petroleum industry spending billions trying to clean up our emissions.
Spending? No, you're right about that. 😅



 
Nope..I would not be surprised if the mom told her kid where the keys were either. But we will never know..
I don’t believe that to be true for a second if you have ever had and kids. Those little balls curiosity are into everything.
 
Psychopathy is not a diagnosis. There are a wide range of diagnoses that fall into that very broad category. We almost never use the term except in the most broad conversation
“Dr. Hare and his associates developed the Psychopathy Check List Revised (PCL-R) and its derivatives which provide a clinical assessment of the degree of psychopathy that an individual possesses (1).

Based on 40 years of intensive empirical research, the PCL-R has been established as a powerful tool for the assessment of this serious and dangerous personality disorder. Specific scoring criteria rate twenty separate items on a three-point scale (0, 1, 2) to determine the extent to which they apply to a given individual.

The instruments developed by Dr. Hare and his colleagues attempt to measure a distinct cluster of personality traits and socially deviant behaviors which fall into four factors: interpersonal, affective, lifestyle and antisocial.

The interpersonal traits include glibness, superficial charm, grandiosity, pathological lying and manipulation of others. The affective traits include a lack of remorse and/or guilt, shallow affect, lack of empathy and failure to accept responsibility. The lifestyle behaviors include stimulation-seeking behavior, impulsivity, irresponsibility, parasitic orientation and a lack of realistic life goals. Antisocial behaviors include poor behavioral controls, early childhood behavior problems, juvenile delinquency, revocation of conditional release and committing a variety of crimes.

An individual who possesses all of the interpersonal, affective, lifestyle and antisocial personality traits measured by PCL-R is considered a psychopath.”

* ^ Psychopath diagnosis process.

Abstract​

Background: The triarchic model of psychopathy characterizes the disorder in terms of three distinguishable phenotypic facets: disinhibition, meanness and boldness. The present study sought to (1) inform current debates regarding the role of boldness in the definition of psychopathy and (2) clarify boundaries between psychopathy and antisocial personality disorder (ASPD).
Method: This study evaluated the degree to which facets of the triarchic model are represented in the most widely used clinical inventory for psychopathy, the Psychopathy Checklist - Revised (PCL-R), in comparison with ASPD as defined by DSM-IV criteria. Adult male offenders from two distinct correctional settings (n = 157 and 169) were investigated to ensure replicability of findings across samples exhibiting high base rates of psychopathy and antisocial behavior.
Results: We found evidence for convergent and discriminant validity of the three triarchic facets in predicting symptomatic components of psychopathy as assessed by the PCL-R. Additionally, and crucially vis-à-vis current debates in the field, we found that boldness contributed incrementally (over and above disinhibition and meanness) to prediction of PCL-R psychopathy, in particular its interpersonal style component, but not ASPD.
Conclusions: The three distinct facets of the triarchic model of psychopathy are represented clearly and distinctly in the PCL-R, with boldness through its interpersonal facet, but not in DSM-defined ASPD. Our findings suggest that boldness is central to diagnostic conceptions of psychopathy and distinguishes psychopathy from the more prevalent diagnosis of ASPD.”
 
You don't need to identify him as a murderer. You need to identify him as needing professional help.
There is not enough professionals in this country to help everybody. That’s unrealistic
 
If the reports of this kid swinging the dog around by the tail at age four are true I would say that some warning signs were there. Wouldn’t necessarily go full on future murder, but there does appear to have been red flags that this kid needed serious help
Perhaps the mother didn’t have the means or resources to get help. Maybe the mother was getting help, but it wasn’t enough. Maybe the mother was the cause of his disturbed behaviors. We don’t know, do we.
 
“Dr. Hare and his associates developed the Psychopathy Check List Revised (PCL-R) and its derivatives which provide a clinical assessment of the degree of psychopathy that an individual possesses (1).

Based on 40 years of intensive empirical research, the PCL-R has been established as a powerful tool for the assessment of this serious and dangerous personality disorder. Specific scoring criteria rate twenty separate items on a three-point scale (0, 1, 2) to determine the extent to which they apply to a given individual.

The instruments developed by Dr. Hare and his colleagues attempt to measure a distinct cluster of personality traits and socially deviant behaviors which fall into four factors: interpersonal, affective, lifestyle and antisocial.

The interpersonal traits include glibness, superficial charm, grandiosity, pathological lying and manipulation of others. The affective traits include a lack of remorse and/or guilt, shallow affect, lack of empathy and failure to accept responsibility. The lifestyle behaviors include stimulation-seeking behavior, impulsivity, irresponsibility, parasitic orientation and a lack of realistic life goals. Antisocial behaviors include poor behavioral controls, early childhood behavior problems, juvenile delinquency, revocation of conditional release and committing a variety of crimes.

An individual who possesses all of the interpersonal, affective, lifestyle and antisocial personality traits measured by PCL-R is considered a psychopath.”

* ^ Psychopath diagnosis process.

Abstract​

Background: The triarchic model of psychopathy characterizes the disorder in terms of three distinguishable phenotypic facets: disinhibition, meanness and boldness. The present study sought to (1) inform current debates regarding the role of boldness in the definition of psychopathy and (2) clarify boundaries between psychopathy and antisocial personality disorder (ASPD).
Method: This study evaluated the degree to which facets of the triarchic model are represented in the most widely used clinical inventory for psychopathy, the Psychopathy Checklist - Revised (PCL-R), in comparison with ASPD as defined by DSM-IV criteria. Adult male offenders from two distinct correctional settings (n = 157 and 169) were investigated to ensure replicability of findings across samples exhibiting high base rates of psychopathy and antisocial behavior.
Results: We found evidence for convergent and discriminant validity of the three triarchic facets in predicting symptomatic components of psychopathy as assessed by the PCL-R. Additionally, and crucially vis-à-vis current debates in the field, we found that boldness contributed incrementally (over and above disinhibition and meanness) to prediction of PCL-R psychopathy, in particular its interpersonal style component, but not ASPD.
Conclusions: The three distinct facets of the triarchic model of psychopathy are represented clearly and distinctly in the PCL-R, with boldness through its interpersonal facet, but not in DSM-defined ASPD. Our findings suggest that boldness is central to diagnostic conceptions of psychopathy and distinguishes psychopathy from the more prevalent diagnosis of ASPD.”
A study to suggest we should examine this further. But not a tool recommended by the APA for diagnosis. It's not in the DSM 5.

Hardly conclusive. We would never consider this an accepted tool based on a single study.

We have several far more accepted instruments to measure psychopathy such as the MMPI which has been around for decades. But they don't lead to a diagnosis.

A diagnosis is anti social personality disorder for example

There is no accepted diagnosis for psychopathy
 
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Perhaps the mother didn’t have the means or resources to get help. Maybe the mother was getting help, but it wasn’t enough. Maybe the mother was the cause of his disturbed behaviors. We don’t know, do we.
Do you think there is enough evidence to say one should concerned and worried about an escalation of behavior given the few details we do have. I do
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this isn't a mental health issue. I bet it is bad parenting coming back on the parent.
From the article
The complaint says the boy's 26-year-old sister told detectives he has had "rage issues" all of his life and "five different imaginary people that talk to him."

A therapist previously gave the boy a "concerning diagnosis" and the mother had placed cameras inside the home to watch him, according to the complaint. Two weeks prior to the woman's murder, "someone had unplugged these cameras."
 
Do you think there is enough evidence to say one should concerned and worried about an escalation of behavior given the few details we do have. I do
One should be concern and worry about all kinds of behaviors from all kinds of people, but too many times, bizarre fall through the cracks. Who is supposed to be responsible for such behaviors. Who is supposed to care for the mentally ill?
 
What exactly is the benefit of charging any kid under 12 as an adult? 10 is barely old enough to trust to walk to the school bus stop on their own. What benefit is it to anyone he spend a life sentence at age 10? Tough on crime rarely helps solve anything, especially with very young offenders.

Just DA grandstanding. Tragic.
 
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A study to suggest we should examine this further. But not a tool recommended by the APA for diagnosis.
A test developed and conducted by a highly experienced and respected psychologist?
It's not in the DSM 5.

Hardly conclusive. We would never consider this an accepted tool based on a single study.

A diagnosis is anti social personality disorder for example

There is no accepted diagnosis for psychopathy
Isn’t it true that DSM5 lumps psychopathy in with sociopathy as an antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) because the two disorders share several, but not all traits?
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And because psychopathy is very difficult to accurately diagnose?

 
A test developed and conducted by a highly experienced and respected psychologist?

Isn’t it true that DSM5 lumps psychopathy in with sociopathy as an antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) because the two disorders share several, but not all traits?
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And because psychopathy is very difficult to accurately diagnose?

This is a very interesting interview with a sociopath (he is being honest about his condition and is even kind of likeable, though he admits he doesn't feel things like that)

 
Maybe laws aren't the solution. Better mental health resources aimed at identifying such individuals and developong improved treatment options would go a long way.

She was likely the one with the mental health issues...or terminal stupidity.

10 yr olds dont have great judgement or understanding of consequences...adults should. This one had a track record of deceit and violence.

The handwriting was on the wall here. THere should have been no firearms in the home.
 
Maybe we should stop washing brains with technology and get back to reality?
 
I'm thinking about all of our fabulous Gun Nuts who always talk about getting a gun into their small childs hands just as soon as the kid can hold it.

C R E E P Y........and PRAISE GUN!!!!! 🙏 🙏 🙏
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There is not enough professionals in this country to help everybody. That’s unrealistic
Everybody doesn't need help. This kid clearly did.
 
She was likely the one with the mental health issues...or terminal stupidity.

10 yr olds dont have great judgement or understanding of consequences...adults should. This one had a track record of deceit and violence.

The handwriting was on the wall here. THere should have been no firearms in the home.
You know little or nothing about her.
 
Should not keep guns around .....never know when someone will lose it. This child was noted to be having problems. Obviously Mom thought matters could be resolved as most of us would because we do not like
to think we as parents cannot get through tough times.

Sneaking the keys from Mom's purse ........ in reality the home thought they doing the right thing.

This is terrible.......

Let this be one more incident to all parents. Never assume and shower your children with a ton of love 24/7.
 
This is a very interesting interview with a sociopath (he is being honest about his condition and is even kind of likeable, though he admits he doesn't feel things like that)


This young man has likely had a LOT of therapy in his life. He is also likely under the care of a trained psychiatrist. And it has also taken him years to get to the us level of self-awareness and self-discipline.
 
Maybe we should stop washing brains with technology and get back to reality?
There is absolutely zero logic in this approach or opinion.

Kids in preschool are using technology.

By 1st grade, at least here, kids in every school (public or private) have their own laptops and use technology daily in school and at home.

Technology is a huge part of daily life in 2022 and will only play a larger part going forwards.
 
The only real problem I see here is that the mother wasn't armed and couldn't defend herself.
 
A test developed and conducted by a highly experienced and respected psychologist?

Isn’t it true that DSM5 lumps psychopathy in with sociopathy as an antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) because the two disorders share several, but not all traits?
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And because psychopathy is very difficult to accurately diagnose?

But that is very subjective. Some claim the only difference between psychopathy and sociopathy is that the first is endogenous and the second is environmental. So the problem becomes there is no standard accepted definition of either.

The standard is the dsm

So we talk about sociopathic and psychopathic traits but they are always within another diagnosis.
 
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