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10 Reasons Koba (Stalin) Might Be Worse Than Hitler

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i do agree here 100% that Koba was worse than Hitler , whats about you ? who of them was Worse ?

A Brief History

On June 11, 1937, Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin had 8 of his top army generals executed as part of The Great Purge. From 1934 to 1940 Stalin had vast numbers of government, party, and army officials murdered to satisfy his paranoid delusions that everyone was out to get him. This left his military in bad shape when war came, stripped of many of its most capable officers, but just another day for “The Man of Steel.” Stalin was a bad person indeed, and although Hitler is generally regarded as the most evil man in history, Uncle Joe gives him a run for his money. Who else do you think is as bad or worse than Hitler?
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10. The Great Purge, 1934-1940.




As stated above, Stalin was a paranoid that ruthlessly clung to power. In order to upset any budding power bases or alliances that might work against him, he went on a spree of executing, imprisoning, and firing many officials at many levels, especially the highest levels. With the military, it is shocking to see the facts: Officers removed from office one way or another: 3 of 5 Marshalls, 8 of 9 Admirals, 13 of 15 Army Commanders, 50 of 57 Corps Commanders, 16 of 16 Army Commissars, and 25 of 28 Corps Commissars. His stripping of the military leadership cost the Soviets dearly when they tried to invade Finland and when Germany invaded the Soviet Union.

9. Purge of Intelligentsia, 1920-1940.

Pianist Khadija Gayibova, executed in 1938, was one of among at least 2000 of the best and brightest minds in the Soviet Union who were sent to prisons where at least 1500 of them died. Writers, poets, philosophers and playwrights were jailed for producing anything other than pure propaganda, astronomers were jailed for studying sun spots, and weathermen were jailed for failing to make accurate predictions! Scientists and engineers that failed to solve problems according to Stalin’s schedule were also purged, especially during the war.

8. Wife’s Suicide/Murder, 1932.

Stalin was a bad father and a bad husband. One of his sons shot himself and lived, causing Stalin to complain, “He can’t even shoot.” When that son was captured by the Germans, Stalin refused a trade for a German general and his son died. At a dinner in 1932 where Stalin and his wife argued, Stalin was seen flicking cigarettes at her (quite classy) and later that night she either committed suicide or was murdered by Stalin. (Hitler’s wife committed suicide with him and Hitler’s previous lovers also committed suicide. What a coincidence!)

7. Self-Serving Relations with China, 1940-1953.

Stalin at first betrayed his fellow communists in China by supporting Chiang Kai Shek instead of Mao tse Tung and the communists, because he believed that Chiang had a better chance of keeping the Japanese from invading Siberia, and he ignored the mass murder of communists by Chiang. Stalin further hurt the Chinese communists by supporting the Turkic Muslims in their quest for an independent state. By 1950, when it was prudent to do so, Stalin became best buddies with China and now had a major ally in the Cold War. In a similar manner, Stalin at first supported the creation of Israel and then later withdrew his support. For the most part, Stalin was another anti-Semite at heart.
 

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6. Scorched Earth Policy, 1941-1943.

Absolutely uncaring about his own population, Stalin ordered everything in the path of advancing Germans to be burned, leaving no food or useful supplies of any type for them. Of course, this policy was hard on the peasants who lost everything, and led to more starvation.

5. Shooting and Imprisoning Soldiers, 1941-1945.

Just as Hitler was killing his own people left and right for “defeatism,” Stalin gave orders to shoot deserting or unauthorized retreating troops on sight. He went so far as to set up “blocking detachments” to gun down troops fleeing from the front. In this time frame, well over 400,000 soldiers were sent to “penal battalions” where they would be deployed in areas almost certain to get them killed.

4. Katyn Massacre, 1940.

After stabbing Poland in the back by invading after the Polish military was completely engaged with the Nazi invasion, Stalin took his big chunk of Poland for himself. In early 1940 on Stalin’s personal orders, over 25,000 of Poland’s best military officers were executed. When the Soviets retook Poland in 1944 the Soviets pretended the Nazis had committed the atrocity. The Soviets finally admitted guilt in 1990.

3. Censorship and Propaganda, 1924-1953.

During the entire tenure of Stalin’s reign no free press or freedom of much of anything was enjoyed in the Soviet Union or any country controlled by it. People were bombarded with government propaganda and denied access to information or cultural influences from other (western) countries. Just as Hitler and the Nazis, Stalin and the Soviets jailed or killed anyone that spoke contrary to his preferred viewpoint.

2. The Iron Curtain, 1945-1991.

After World War II Stalin failed to live up to the understanding that European countries would have the right of self determination and he imposed the rule of the Soviet Union upon them. Making these countries have communist governments whether the people wanted it or not, and restricting movement in or out of the “communist bloc” made this mass of people little more than slaves, creating an even bigger Soviet empire than that of before the war.

1. Starvation of the Ukraine, 1932-1933.


Hitler is notorious for killing as many as 6 million Jews and another 5 million assorted people, but in the Holodomor, intentional starvation of the Ukraine Stalin killed as many as 7.5 million Ukrainians. (Added with his other murders and genocides this definitely puts him in Hitler’s class.) Although the Ukraine is considered the “breadbasket” of the Soviet Union where the most productive farms are, the food produced was removed for residents of other parts of the country and Ukrainians were left to starve. The widespread and horrible scale of the starvation led people to eat the dead, and 2500 were convicted of cannibalism. The independence minded people of the Ukraine were starved into submission, pure and simple. Soviet propaganda denied the famine for many years, refusing to admit Stalin’s psychotic willingness to kill people or allow the world to think people in the “workers’ paradise” could possibly starve. Soviet propaganda also insidiously spread into western countries with false messages that the famine was natural and not planned. After the fall of the Soviet Union Russian and Ukrainian officials were somewhat more forthcoming, but the issue remains a hot topic between Russia and Ukraine.

https://www.historyandheadlines.com/10-reasons-stalin-might-worse-hitler/
 

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Hitler started a war that killed 55-60 million people.

Anyone who know history and looks at it objectively should agree they were both evil, they both were the absolute worse human beings. I'm sure throughout history they were people who were just as evil, but because of the technology of the 20th century these 2 killed 10's of millions of people in a pretty short amount of time.
 

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No more pissing contests about which person was the worse murderer, please.
Any response given over to either side implies that the other figure was relatively benign by comparison.

Are people with third degree burns over 65% of their bodies "healthy" in comparison to those with third degree burns over 80% of their bodies?
 

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Hitler started a war that killed 55-60 million people.

Anyone who know history and looks at it objectively should agree they were both evil, they both were the absolute worse human beings. I'm sure throughout history they were people who were just as evil, but because of the technology of the 20th century these 2 killed 10's of millions of people in a pretty short amount of time.

buy a book, ww2 stated Koba and Hitler and until 1941 they were allies

 

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The holodomor was;
- ethnic genocide
- responsible for 7-10 million deaths
- before the holocaust

Yet very few people are aware of it, and Ukrainians don't demand worldwide preferential treatment because of it. The more you know.
 

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buy a book, ww2 stated Koba and Hitler and until 1941 they were allies



Yeah. I know that. The soviets were sending raw materials to Hitler right up to the day he launched Operation Barbarossa.

I don't understand your point.
 

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Let's get real. Stalin was pretty evil, no doubt, same as Hitler. OTOH Stalin's Russian kicked the asses of 6 of the 7 German armies and prevented the conquest of Europe because of those hard earned victories. A cost in excess of 20 million Russian lives. The West owes him a debt of gratitude and that history is played down in Western histories. He may have been doing just what he had to do to survive, but one must still recognize the International realities. Then he spanked the Allies at Yalta.
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Let's get real. Stalin was pretty evil, no doubt, same as Hitler. OTOH Stalin's Russian kicked the asses of 6 of the 7 German armies and prevented the conquest of Europe because of those hard earned victories. A cost in excess of 20 million Russian lives. The West owes him a debt of gratitude and that history is played down in Western histories. He may have been doing just what he had to do to survive, but one must still recognize the International realities. Then he spanked the Allies at Yalta.
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And the Russians downplayed all the help they got before and during WWII from the West. It went both ways.
 

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buy a book, ww2 stated Koba and Hitler and until 1941 they were allies



you said "Hitler started a war" my point is that ww2 stated Koba and Hitler, both. do you agree ? even more USSR started ww2 much early in 20s 1921
"The Red Army invasion of Georgia (15 February – 17 March 1921), also known as the Soviet–Georgian War[5] or the Soviet invasion of Georgia,[6] was a military campaign by the Soviet Russian (RSFSR) Red Army aimed at overthrowing the Social-Democratic (Menshevik) government of the Democratic Republic of Georgia (DRG) and installing a Bolshevik regime in the country. The conflict was a result of expansionist policy by the Soviets, who aimed to control as much as possible of the lands which had been part of the former Russian Empire[7][8] until the turbulent events of the First World War, as well as the revolutionary efforts of mostly Russian-based Georgian Bolsheviks, who did not have sufficient support in their native country to seize power without external intervention.[9][10]

The independence of Georgia had been recognized by Soviet Russia in the Treaty of Moscow, signed on 7 May 1920, and the subsequent invasion of the country was not universally agreed upon in Moscow. It was largely engineered by two influential Georgian-born Soviet Russian officials, Joseph Stalin and Sergo Ordzhonikidze, who on 14 February 1921 got the consent of Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin to advance into Georgia, on the pretext of supporting "peasants and workers rebellion" in the country. Soviet forces took the Georgian capital Tbilisi (then known as Tiflis to most non-Georgian speakers) after heavy fighting and declared the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic on 25 February 1921. The rest of the country was overrun within three weeks, but it was not until September 1924 that Soviet rule was firmly established. Almost simultaneous occupation of a large portion of southwest Georgia by Turkey (February — March 1921) threatened to develop into a crisis between Moscow and Ankara, and led to significant territorial concessions by the Soviets to the Turkish National Government in the Treaty of Kars. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_invasion_of_Georgia
 

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The holodomor was;
- ethnic genocide
- responsible for 7-10 million deaths
- before the holocaust

Yet very few people are aware of it, and Ukrainians don't demand worldwide preferential treatment because of it. The more you know.

good point , but do you know that holodomor is a just small part of much bigger Lenin-Koba´s crime ? enslavement (collectivization) of more than 100 000 000 "soviet" peasants /central Asian nomads ? as the result Kazakhstan lost maybe 50% of its native population , "soviet" peasants got the real soviet passports only when Grobi came to power in 1986 , until 1963 they got no salaries for their heavy manual work


"The Soviet Union enforced the collectivization (Russian: Коллективизация) of its agricultural sector between 1928 and 1940 (in West - between 1948 and 1952) during the ascendancy of Joseph Stalin. It began during and was part of the first five-year plan. The policy aimed to consolidate individual landholdings and labour into collective farms: mainly kolkhozy and sovkhozy. The Soviet leadership confidently expected that the replacement of individual peasant farms by collective ones would immediately increase the food supply for the urban population, the supply of raw materials for processing industry, and agricultural exports. Planners regarded collectivization as the solution to the crisis of agricultural distribution (mainly in grain deliveries) that had developed from 1927.[1] This problem became more acute as the Soviet Union pressed ahead with its ambitious industrialization program.[2]

In the early 1930s over 91% of agricultural land became "collectivized" as rural households entered collective farms with their land, livestock, and other assets. The sweeping collectivization often involved tremendous human and social costs. Recent historians have estimated the death toll in the range of six to 13 million"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union
"The Kazakh famine of 1930–1933, known in Kazakhstan as the Goloshchekin genocide (Kazakh: Goloshekındik genotsıd),[4] also known as the Kazakh catastrophe,[7] was a man-made famine where 1.5 million (possibly as many as 2.0–2.3 million) people died in Soviet Kazakhstan, of whom 1.3 million were ethnic Kazakhs; 38% of all Kazakhs died, the highest percentage of any ethnic group killed in the Soviet famines of the early 1930s.[8][2]

It was the most severe of all regions affected by famine, percentage-wise, though more people died in the Ukrainian Holodomor, which began a year later.[9] In addition to the Kazakh famine of 1919–1922, in 10–15 years Kazakhstan lost more than half of its population due to the actions of the Soviet power.[10] [11] Some historians assume that 42% of the entire Kazakh population died in the famine.[12] The two Soviet censuses show that the number of the Kazakhs in Kazakhstan dropped from 3,637,612 in 1926 to 2,181,520 in 1937.[13]

The famine made Kazakhs a minority in the Kazakh ASSR, and not until the 1990s did Kazakhs become the largest group in Kazakhstan again. Before the famine, around 60% of the republic's population were Kazakhs, but after the famine, only around 38% of the population were Kazakhs.[3][4][5][6] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1932–33
"Red Famine: Stalin's War on Ukraine" by Anne Applebaum
 

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you said "Hitler started a war" my point is that ww2 stated Koba and Hitler, both. do you agree ? even more USSR started ww2 much early in 20s 1921
"The Red Army invasion of Georgia (15 February – 17 March 1921), also known as the Soviet–Georgian War[5] or the Soviet invasion of Georgia,[6] was a military campaign by the Soviet Russian (RSFSR) Red Army aimed at overthrowing the Social-Democratic (Menshevik) government of the Democratic Republic of Georgia (DRG) and installing a Bolshevik regime in the country. The conflict was a result of expansionist policy by the Soviets, who aimed to control as much as possible of the lands which had been part of the former Russian Empire[7][8] until the turbulent events of the First World War, as well as the revolutionary efforts of mostly Russian-based Georgian Bolsheviks, who did not have sufficient support in their native country to seize power without external intervention.[9][10]

The independence of Georgia had been recognized by Soviet Russia in the Treaty of Moscow, signed on 7 May 1920, and the subsequent invasion of the country was not universally agreed upon in Moscow. It was largely engineered by two influential Georgian-born Soviet Russian officials, Joseph Stalin and Sergo Ordzhonikidze, who on 14 February 1921 got the consent of Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin to advance into Georgia, on the pretext of supporting "peasants and workers rebellion" in the country. Soviet forces took the Georgian capital Tbilisi (then known as Tiflis to most non-Georgian speakers) after heavy fighting and declared the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic on 25 February 1921. The rest of the country was overrun within three weeks, but it was not until September 1924 that Soviet rule was firmly established. Almost simultaneous occupation of a large portion of southwest Georgia by Turkey (February — March 1921) threatened to develop into a crisis between Moscow and Ankara, and led to significant territorial concessions by the Soviets to the Turkish National Government in the Treaty of Kars. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_invasion_of_Georgia

Why did you quote yourself?
 

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no, i quoted "Hitler started a war(ww2)"

Literally.jpg


You literally quoted yourself mang
 

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Hitler started a war that killed 55-60 million people.

Anyone who know history and looks at it objectively should agree they were both evil, they both were the absolute worse human beings. I'm sure throughout history they were people who were just as evil, but because of the technology of the 20th century these 2 killed 10's of millions of people in a pretty short amount of time.

Most of those 60 million were in China, or lots at least.

Stalin killed about that number with the collectivization of the farms, the taking of the central Aisians live stock, the deliberate policies of mass starvation and the transporting of vast numbers to Goolags (concetration camps) with neglect (no food or water) being a major contributor to the massive death rate.

Stalin was much worse than Hitler.

Mao was far worse than both combined.
 

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Most of those 60 million were in China, or lots at least.

Stalin killed about that number with the collectivization of the farms, the taking of the central Aisians live stock, the deliberate policies of mass starvation and the transporting of vast numbers to Goolags (concetration camps) with neglect (no food or water) being a major contributor to the massive death rate.

Stalin was much worse than Hitler.

Mao was far worse than both combined.

Stalin and Mao had more time and larger populations giving them higher kill numbers. Do you think if Hitler and Japan had one the war the number of people he killed would have been less than Stalin's or Maos?
 

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Stalin and Mao had more time and larger populations giving them higher kill numbers. Do you think if Hitler and Japan had one the war the number of people he killed would have been less than Stalin's or Maos?

No. I think they woul have killed more. Although it is a close call.
 

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Most of those 60 million were in China, or lots at least.

Stalin killed about that number with the collectivization of the farms, the taking of the central Aisians live stock, the deliberate policies of mass starvation and the transporting of vast numbers to Goolags (concetration camps) with neglect (no food or water) being a major contributor to the massive death rate.

Stalin was much worse than Hitler.

Mao was far worse than both combined.

was Mao a house monster like Koba Dzhugashvili ?
 

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Stalin and Mao had more time and larger populations giving them higher kill numbers. Do you think if Hitler and Japan had one the war the number of people he killed would have been less than Stalin's or Maos?

man, you posted in wrong forum´s section , its not the if -history section
 

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No. I think they woul have killed more. Although it is a close call.

If Japan had won Mao would have been killed before he could have really gotten into mass murdering and Hitler would have probably killed all those Stalin did plus many more.
Evil is evil and they were all evil
 

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man, you posted in wrong forum´s section , its not the if -history section

Not at all we are talking about who was the most evil, evil is not measured just by how many you kill. Why you kill them is the evil.
For example if you walk up to a stranger and shoot them in the head that is kinda evil, if you do so because they are shooting at children that isn't considered evil.
Same example only you kill 10 people who are shooting at children your death toll is 10X greater than the guy who just shoots a random person in the head but you still aren't considered evil.
Point is greater death tolls dont in themselves make you more evil than someone else.
 
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