1 dead, at least 24 shot, including children, at Arkansas car show

[CaughtInThe]

1 dead, at least 28 shot, including children, at Arkansas car show

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I've always said that if 100 are shot and only 1 dies many people just ignore it. But the other 99 (or in this case 23) don't. Nor do their families.

 

[Tender Branson]

That’s sadly the outcome when you have out-of-control gun laws in place.

And most US states have such silly gun laws.

Guns lead to 30.000 to 50.000 deaths in the US a year, most of which would be preventable in other countries due to better gun laws.

In a decade, more people are dying of guns in the US than in many wars …

 

[BlueTex]

Just another day...

 

[rahl]

That’s sadly the outcome when you have out-of-control gun laws in place.

And most US states have such silly gun laws.

Guns lead to 30.000 to 50.000 deaths in the US a year, most of which would be preventable in other countries due to better gun laws.

In a decade, more people are dying of guns in the US than in many wars …

What gun law would have prevented this?

 

[MaryP]

1 dead, at least 28 shot, including children, at Arkansas car show

www.msn.com

I've always said that if 100 are shot and only 1 dies many people just ignore it. But the other 99 (or in this case 23) don't. Nor do their families.

They've got a suspect in custody and still don't have a guess as to why? If he shot 25 people it wasn't accidental that a bullet or two went astray.

 

[ttwtt78640]

That’s sadly the outcome when you have out-of-control gun laws in place.

And most US states have such silly gun laws.

Guns lead to 30.000 to 50.000 deaths in the US a year, most of which would be preventable in other countries due to better gun laws.

In a decade, more people are dying of guns in the US than in many wars …

No state allows shooting people (with narrow exceptions for self-defense), yet that law is less effective because criminals, by definition, ignore and/or violate laws. The idea that someone intending to commit a murder (or a mass shooting) will decide to change their plans based on fear of violating gun possession laws is ridiculous. BTW, most of those US “gun deaths” are suicides.

 

[MaryP]

What gun law would have prevented this?

The one that stops allowing every Tom, Dick and Harry to buy guns.

 

[Tender Branson]

What gun law would have prevented this?

Virtually all European-style sensible gun laws.

We also have shootings, but they are isolated.

The US has 100x the gun deaths we have here due to silly laws (carry and vast availability of guns).

 

[The flaming lib]

That’s sadly the outcome when you have out-of-control gun laws in place.

And most US states have such silly gun laws.

Guns lead to 30.000 to 50.000 deaths in the US a year, most of which would be preventable in other countries due to better gun laws.

In a decade, more people are dying of guns in the US than in many wars …

Agree with the out of control gun laws. We need to get rid of those gun laws and quit trying to regulate it. It says shall not be infringed for a reason. Quit infringing on my rights! I don’t try to infrinb on yours.

 

[BlueTex]

Since Arkansas is an open carry state and multiple gunmen were involved, how do we know this wasn't just collateral damage from a "good guy with a gun"?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Since Arkansas is an open carry state and multiple gunmen were involved, how do we know this wasn't just collateral damage from a "good guy with a gun"?

yeah, maybe a bunch of people started shooting.

 

[Binary_Digit]

That’s sadly the outcome when you have out-of-control gun laws in place.

And most US states have such silly gun laws.

Guns lead to 30.000 to 50.000 deaths in the US a year, most of which would be preventable in other countries due to better gun laws.

In a decade, more people are dying of guns in the US than in many wars …

People who've been raised in a happy, well-adjusted home generally don't do things like this.

I think we're much too afraid to criticize parenting in this country.

Instead we focus on the symptoms. Laws and punishment after-the-fact for broken people.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Since Arkansas is an open carry state and multiple gunmen were involved, how do we know this wasn't just collateral damage from a "good guy with a gun"?

Not likely, since usually when things go wrong with a good Samaritan, it's the good Samaritan who gets killed, not innocent bystanders.

 

[Tender Branson]

People who've been raised in a happy, well-adjusted home generally don't do things like this.

I think we're much too afraid to criticize parenting in this country.

Instead we focus on the symptoms. Laws and punishment after-the-fact for broken people.

There are studies which show that a high availability of guns leads to much higher gun deaths.

This is not just a phenomenon of Black communities and poor ones (where it is of course more visible), but even White well-off areas in the US have significantly higher gun crime and deaths than White European areas.

In Columbine for example, there were basically no black people living - but 2 white teens still killed some 20 people.

 

[rahl]

Virtually all European-style sensible gun laws.

Pick one. Then show how it would comply with the constitution.

We also have shootings, but they are isolated.

The US has 100x the gun deaths we have here due to silly laws (carry and vast availability of guns).

The availability of guns has increased by over 270 million since 1986, while the rate of violent crime and homicides has declined. Guns have nothing to do with it.

 

[BlueTex]

Not likely, since usually when things go wrong with a good Samaritan, it's the good Samaritan who gets killed, not innocent bystanders.

One person was in custody and a manhunt was underway for more shooters Sunday after a rampage that erupted at a southeast Arkansas car show left at least one person dead and 24 wounded, police said.

Arkansas State Police spokesman Bill Sadler said more arrests were possible after "gunfire that swept across a crowd" in Dumas, a town of less than 5,000 people about 90 miles south of Little Rock.

"One suspect is in custody and a search is continuing today for others who may have been firing into the crowd of people," Sadler said in an email to USA TODAY.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rkansas-shooting-outside-car-show/7109558001/

 

[rahl]

The one that stops allowing every Tom, Dick and Harry to buy guns.

So no law that can be implemented then. How does your proposal, which is not possible, prevent this?

 

[Geoist]

criminals, by definition, ignore and/or violate laws. The idea that someone intending to commit a murder (or a mass shooting) will decide to change their plans based on fear of violating gun possession laws is ridiculous.

It's not about making them fearful of violating the law, it's about making it more difficult for them to obtain the object in the first place. Besides, conservatives certainly DO seem to think laws can affect criminal behavior. It's one of the main reasons they support the death penalty.

 

[Tender Branson]

Pick one. Then show how it would comply with the constitution.

The availability of guns has increased by over 270 million since 1986, while the rate of violent crime and homicides has declined. Guns have nothing to do with it.

A) virtually any European gun law would comply with the US constitution. We do not ban guns, in fact we allow any adult to own one. Just besides that, there are severe restrictions.

B) gun murders have generally decreased since the 80s everywhere. But much more so in Europe, where it’s just 1/3rd anymore. A lot has to do with better forensics: people watch CSI and know they’ll get caught by a 95% certainty when committing a murder. In the US though, the murder rate only dropped from a jaw dropping 11 rate per 100.000 to 5 in 2018, before rising to 8 this year. No other western country has seen such an increase in gun deaths in the past 2 years. Only the US, where firearm purchases exploded in the past years.

 

[Loulit01]

The belief that the 2nd Amendment absolutely bars any gun control legislation is ludicrous. For example, the 1st Amendment guarantees the rights to speech, assembly, and religion; yet, none of these rights is absolute. You can't shout fire in a crowded theatre, you need permits to hold protests and you need to meet certain standards to qualify as a tax-free religion.
The idea that the 2nd Amendment is a license for everyone to open carry, or to buy any firearm you wish including Tommy guns and freakin' howitzers, strains the bounds of sanity.

 

[rahl]

A) virtually any European gun law would comply with the US constitution. We do not ban guns, in fact we allow any adult to own one. Just besides that, there are severe restrictions.

Then pick one. What specific law would you implement, that would have prevented this.

B) gun murders have generally decreased since the 80s everywhere.

Correct.

But much more so in Europe, where it’s just 1/3rd anymore. A lot has to do with better forensics: people watch CSI and know they’ll get caught by a 95% certainty when committing a murder. In the US though, the murder rate only dropped from a jaw dropping 11 rate per 100.000 to 5 in 2018, before rising to 8 this year. No other western country has seen such an increase in gun deaths in the past 2 years. Only the US, where firearm purchases exploded in the past years.

But we know the firearm is irrelevant to the homicide rate. As the rate of ownership increased by over 270 million, yet homicides decreased.

 

[MaryP]

So no law that can be implemented then. How does your proposal, which is not possible, prevent this?

He wouldn't have a gun.

 

[rahl]

He wouldn't have a gun.

How so? What law could have prevented him from obtaining a gun? I’m asking for this supposed law you are asking for, that complies with the US constitution.

 

[Tender Branson]

Then pick one. What specific law would you implement, that would have prevented this.

Correct.

But we know the firearm is irrelevant to the homicide rate. As the rate of ownership increased by over 270 million, yet homicides decreased.

A) I am not engaging in hypotheticals. As I have said, any law would be better in lowering US gun deaths.

C) it’s not irrelevant: in the US last year, 85% of murders were committed by gun (source: FBI), in Austria just 10%. The large availability of guns is creating a 75% surplus homicide rate each year in the US relative to European countries. Easy statistics for everyone to access.

 

[MaryP]

How so? What law could have prevented him from obtaining a gun? I’m asking for this supposed law you are asking for, that complies with the US constitution.

**** the Second Amendment.