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“It was a harsh, sleepless night,” the Ukrainian Duce complained

Juin

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The roof over Kyiv appears to be full of holes. From the Inferno on the ground it does not appear the bouquet of drones intended for Kyiv, courtesy of Mr Vladimir Putin, Moscow's eminent florist, had any difficulties finding its mark. Hence the complaints from the Duce about "harsh, sleepless" nights.

Why Zelensky should be asleep when Mr Vladimir visits, beats me. And Mr Vladimir has such a big heart! His last bouquet to the Duce was huge! 539 drones and 11 missiles in all. A bouquet fit for a Duce. Only problem is the Duce would prefer Mr Vladimir is less generous with his drones and iskanders, especially given that the Duce is out of Patriots. But Mr Vladimir refuses to take take no for an answer. In his heart of hearts Mr Vladimir truly believes Zelensky loves his drones and iskanders, and so insists on plying him with them. Even on July 4th. Especially July 4th.

Why should the Ukraine be celebrating July 4th? Well, the Ukraine is a piece of real estate in search of a Title Holder. The only condition is that a prospective Title Holder be powerful enough to keep the Ukraine from Mr Vladimir's prying hands. And also that a Title Holder does not resell Ukraine to Mr Vladimir. Nato has an offer on the table but is afraid of Mr Vladimir. The Eu is eager but lacks in the brute force department. The point being a Title Holder must have enough muscle to keep Mr Vladimir at bay.

That leaves the United States as contender. Make Ukraine the 51st State. The support is there if the glee of the pro Kyiv side of DP is any indication. There's little time to waste. Zelensky still has to be sworn in as citizen; win nomination as candidate for President for the Democratic Party; come January 20th 2029 to be sworn in as the 48th President of the United States of America! This should have the pro Kyiv side of the aisle drooling. Ladies and gentlemen, the 48th President of the United States of America, Canada and Ukraine! A combination Winston Churchill, George Washington and Napoleon Bonaparte.

But I digress. What happened to Kyiv’s air defense systems? Joe Biden sent enough Patriots to keep ensure Zelensky quiet, peaceful night for years, what happened to the Patriots?

1 Since Senile Joe never charged a centavo for the Patriots it was all free to Ukraine; whose gunners must have been excessive in the volleys they released anytime even a bird as much as strays towards Kyiv from Moscow.

2 Or they served a much more profitable as Oligarch makers on the black market



 
But I digress. What happened to Kyiv’s air defense systems? Joe Biden sent enough Patriots to keep ensure Zelensky quiet, peaceful night for years, what happened to the Patriots?

What happened to the Patriots he asks. You know @Juin has never been in the military. He's an "armchair warrior".

Each Patriot battery is equipped with 4 Patriot missiles. These 4 Patriot missiles can be fired at 4 independent targets.

However, Trump never authorized any new Patriot missiles for Ukraine. There exists a Biden shipment sitting in Poland, but Trump won't allow those to enter Ukraine.

Every day Russia/Puitin targets Ukraine with hundreds of drones and cruise missiles. Without re-supply, the Patriot batteries are useless. Last night for example.....



 

You're not ashamed of celebrating wanton death and destruction.
 

Putin is terrorizing civilians and orphaning lots of young children. Darn you, Joe Biden! /s
 
Plus Russia has been destroying them causing them to run out. Plus they typically fire more than 1 at each incoming target. Huge unsustainable financial loss. Israel is experiencing same issue.
 
Plus Russia has been destroying them causing them to run out. Plus they typically fire more than 1 at each incoming target. Huge unsustainable financial loss. Israel is experiencing same issue.

You misunderstand. Ukraine has no "Iron Dome" or "Iron Arrow" systems to augument the US Patriots.

Russia is saturating Ukraine's airspace every night with drones, cruise missiles, and hypersonic missiles.

There are not enough Patriot batteries/missiles in Ukraine to protect the largest cities of Kyiv, Kharkiv, Dnipro, Odesa, Lviv, Zaporizhzhia, and theater important population-centers such as Sumy, Kherson, and Mykolaiv.

Derfending all is impossible when your most powerful military patron - the US - refuses to replace spent Patriot missiles. Due to its war with Iran, Israel says it cannot spare any Patriot missiles.
 

We cannot supply Ukraine with enough patriot missiles period. Russia is out producing our ability to intercept everything. And Russia is also destroying stockpiles of everything on the ground including missiles and drones. Russia is outproducing NATO almost all across the board with all weapons being used in the Ukraine war.
 
This is what you celebrate.
 

“It was a harsh, sleepless night,” the Ukrainian Duce complained​


You lack of compassion about civilians being slaughtered by their malignant cancer of a neighbor is disgusting.
 
You must really be a Russian. Rejoicing the murders of innocent women and children is a Russian thing. That is one of the reasons that they must be exterminated like the vermin they are. Putin is helping that along nicely too. You deserve place in the coming War Crimes tribunals. Everyone responsible for these atrocities will pay dearly....if they are not already dead. This is one of my favorite Wikipedia pages...

List of Russian generals killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_generals_killed_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
 

You an American? We have an awful lot of blood on our hands. Own it.
 
You an American? We have an awful lot of blood on our hands. Own it.
Like I said exterminating vermin is a dirty but necessary job. When your country is invaded by vermin what else can you do? Ukraine did it's best to warn them but they just keep coming.

 

Russia's lost more high-up military brass in 3 years then we have in all wars starting with WWII.
 
Like I said exterminating vermin is a dirty but necessary job. When your country is invaded by vermin what else can you do? Ukraine did it's best to warn them but they just keep coming.

Exterminate yourself.
 
One more time for clarity. Halt or not the US is incapable of keeping with demand for patriot missiles. Period. Ukraine air defense has been permanently compromised. Russia is throwing way more air assaults at targets than anyone could even pretend to stop. War of attrition something the US does not understand.
 

One more time for better clarity. US weapons for Ukraine (unspecified) were already in Poland when Trump ordered the halt.

And you can also chew on this.....


Looks like Donnie is getting fed up with Vladimir's intransigence.

And Trump's just passed OBB includes $157 billion for Defense spending. Drones and Patriots are at the top of the spending list.
 
Again so what. Send all the patriots you have. They will be chewed up or destroyed very quickly and Russia is going to keep going. They will not stop the massive damage Russia is inflicting.

And then there's Israel who got touched by Iran much to everyone's surprise. Bet they are more important to our foreign policy idiots than our proxy war we're losing against Russia.
 
Again so what.

So your complaint is BS that's what. Try another tack.

If you want to discuss Israel, there is an entire forum dedicated to such discussions.
 
So your complaint is BS that's what. Try another tack.

If you want to discuss Israel, there is an entire forum dedicated to such discussions.
It's not a complaint. Just the facts of what's going on.
 
It's not a complaint. Just the facts of what's going on.

The facts are, there was never a shortage of US Patriot missiles in Pentagon stocks.

That was a Hegseth fabrication (to justify a stoppage of US weapons to Ukraine)
 
The facts are, there was never a shortage of US Patriot missiles in Pentagon stocks.

That was a Hegseth fabrication (to justify a stoppage of US weapons to Ukraine)

uh huh
 


It was a ruse to justify shutting down weapon shipments to Ukraine. But the backlash was severe. Hence.....

 
unnamed senior military officers

now look at production numbers and divide by two or three cause for every incoming aerial object they typically fire two or three missiles

now look at the number of things Russia is shooting at Ukraine.............more than 500 per day going on for well over a week now and there's been no let up

we cannot send enough to Ukraine, period
 
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