Meathead
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The point is we're trying to stay away from a police state. The self-righteous like the OWS crowd and collectivists and socialist are the biggest threat to our freedoms.[/FONT][/COLOR]OWS SWAT RAID: "Red Scare History Burst Through My Door" - YouTube
Free speech? Democracy? I think not. This cannot be possibly ok. Are we turning into more and more of a police state?
Thoughts?
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Hey if that's what you believe then more poser to ya. Occupiers should wear layered clothing, though, because frozen paint balls hurt like a mother ****er.If they're protesting it, it's a genuine grievance.
A few of our DP threads on this topic, maybe a month or so ago.Also, do you mind telling me where you heard protesters were being paid from?
Hey if that's what you believe then more poser to ya. Wear layered clothing, though, because frozen paint balls hurt like a mother ****er.
A few of our DP threads on this topic, maybe a month or so ago.
Sure I can Google it for you:A link would help back up your statement....
Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.At least some of those hired are being used as door-to-door canvassers to collect money that’s used to support the protests.Sources said cash donations collected by NYCC on behalf of some unions and various causes are being pooled and spent on Occupy Wall Street. The money is used to buy supplies, pay staff and cover travel expenses for the ex-ACORN members brought to New York for the protests.
Read more: EXCLUSIVE: ACORN Playing Behind Scenes Role in 'Occupy' Movement | Fox News
I take it you're not aware of the sort called PaintBall. Would like me to Google that for you as well?And what're you going on about, frozen paint balls?
Sure I can Google it for you:
I'll let you look at the rest of the links on your own.
So, 1. it's ACORN, and 2. folks are getting paid. It's not a genuine grievance. It's ACORN trying to keep spinning their bull****.
I take it you're not aware of the sort called PaintBall. Would like me to Google that for you as well?
I take it you're not aware of the sort called PaintBall. Would like me to Google that for you as well?
I said:You said Occupy was being funded
I gave examples of protesters being paid. That backs up the claim......hell the protesters were even being paid at points.
Sure I can Google it for you:
[video=youtube;_nOYvgQTrmw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nOYvgQTrmw[/]
"...Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.At least some of those hired are being used as door-to-door canvassers to collect money that’s used to support the protests.Sources said cash donations collected by NYCC on behalf of some unions and various causes are being pooled and spent on Occupy Wall Street. The money is used to buy supplies, pay staff and cover travel expenses for the ex-ACORN members brought to New York for the protests...."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/2...scenes-role-in-occupy-movement/#ixzz217G1rH9t
I'll let you look at the rest of the links on your own.
So, 1. it's ACORN, and 2. folks are getting paid. It's not a genuine grievance. It's ACORN trying to keep spinning their bull****.
I take it you're not aware of the sort called PaintBall. Would like me to Google that for you as well?
Well if you had watched the video you would know that the organizer of that event said it himself.Sources said this and sources said that. Who are the "sources" the FoxNews article keeps mentioning, Jerry?
I asked you who the sources were in the FoxNews article that you posted and you threaten me with your trollishiness? Tsk, tsk, tsk, that doesn't look good for your credibility or the article you posted.Well if you had watched the video you would know that the organizer of that event said it himself.
Why ask for sources if you're just going to ignore them? Be advised that I'm a better troll than you so watch your ass and keep your debate clean.
LOL I don't even follow Faux News, I just linked to some random **** off the serch page. But hey, that's ok, you can keep ignoring the video and the other links on the Google page I linked to. I would be mad to if I were shown up by an proud asshole.I asked you who the sources were in the FoxNews article that you posted and you threaten me with your trollishiness? Tsk, tsk, tsk, that doesn't look good for your credibility or the article you posted.
There weren't any sources, Jerry. You've been duped by FoxNews....again.
:dohThe point is we're trying to stay away from a police state. The self-righteous like the OWS crowd and collectivists and socialist are the biggest threat to our freedoms.
Read 20th century history. I would direct you to a self-righteous cadre extolling the wonders of socialism for the working man. If it's too much of a chore, the first couple of chapters of "Animal Farm" is a lot easier. If you still don't get it, read the rest of the book.:doh
Seriously? Patriot Act? Kill Lists? And protesters are a "threat to our freedom"?
Cool typical talking point.
Read 20th century history. I would direct you to a self-righteous cadre extolling the wonders of socialism for the working man. If it's too much of a chore, the first couple of chapters of "Animal Farm" is a lot easier. If you still don't get it, read the rest of the book.
The message is none-the-less clear. Making the same mistake because some say that this is the "new improved socialism" is a fool's errand. Sure, they too were for the working class, for democracy and for socialism.:doh
Book is about Stalinism.
Book was written by a socialist himself, who was anti stalinist.
The message is none-the-less clear. Making the same mistake because some say that this is the "new improved socialism" is a fool's errand. Sure, they too were for the working class, for democracy and for socialism.
Countries as illiterate and uninformed as those which adopted your workers paradise last century is where your focus should be. The remaining bastions of illiteracy and poverty in Africa and South America are perhaps the last of a shrinking pool of areas to infect, but even there it's probably too late.
You can have rights but still not like your government, you may dislike Barack Obama, but you still have your rights.
That's you're opinion. If you were harassed and beaten, Would you want your own countrymen to stand by and say 'He's a dumbass, why should we care?'.
Would you have a problem if Occupy X-ers were being harassed and beaten, even if they were not committing a crime?
We've seen it. The entire East Block were "democratic" and socialist. GDR, USSR, DPRK (Democratic People Republic of Korea) and so on. But sure, it'll be different this time around.Uhhhhh Democratic socialism is not the "new and improved" its been around for quite a while, actually a very long time.....
We've seen it. The entire East Block were "democratic" and socialist. GDR, USSR, DPRK (Democratic People Republic of Korea) and so on. But sure, it'll be different this time around.
I have, and I furthermore have enough of a grasp of world history to understand that when a cadre of self-righteous mental midgets masquerading as intellectual elites sets out to change the world, we get totalitarian states like those fore-mentioned.:doh
Logic is not your thing.
Ever heard of a misnomer?
I have, and I furthermore have enough of a grasp of world history to understand that when a cadre of self-righteous mental midgets masquerading as intellectual elites sets out to change the world, we get totalitarian states like those fore-mentioned.
But of course, it'll be different this time around.
No we are certainly not. Hackneyed again, but it reminds me of a definition of insanity: repeating the same thing and expecting different results.:doh
Yes Latin Americas pink tide is very "authoritarian" :roll:
Ghandi was a real authoritarian
MLK was a real authoritarian
Tony Benn is real authoritarian
Thomas Paine was a real authoritarian
So you actually wanna have a real discussion or are we just gonna keep on going back to really ****ty talking points of no value?
No we are certainly not. Hackneyed again, but it reminds me of a definition of insanity: repeating the same thing and expecting different results.
I am through dancing with you on this. Take it to the streets and to anyone gullible enough to buy into your new world order. Good luck with it. I myself prefer minimally restrained freedoms to your "brave new world".
Ciao
I said:
I gave examples of protesters being paid. That backs up the claim.
It's one reason why the whole Organize-X is illegitimate. Another reason, a bigger reason IMO, is that ACORN is behind a majority of it, as previously sourced.
It's not a legitimate grievance of the people. It's a special interest group turning up the heat after being caught in illegal activities and shut down.
Has nothing to do with my response. Again, by YOUR definition, an anarchist who asserts they have rights has proven by that assertion they are no anarchist. At least follow along with your own philosophy.
If I were being a dumbass like this crew, yes.
Yes and no. I hate the morons who trashed downtown Portland and would take some small and private comfort in seeing them get their asses kicked. If I were asked to authorize such a thing however, the answer would be no. That doesn't apply here. There was a warrant, so there was the presumption a crime has been committed.
They're still granted the rights by the system, they're born with them in the U.S. and have them from the start.
I find that hard to believe.
But I'm asking you as a generalized question. If there was no crime involved, would you be alright with 'Occupiers' getting beaten and harassed?
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