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‘I Refuse To Live In Fear’ Is Just An Attempt To Excuse Selfish Behavior

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‘I Refuse To Live In Fear’ Is Just An Attempt To Excuse Selfish Behavior
There is also a lot of ignorant machismo in this.

It's no coincidence that the same people who need a gun to feel viral are the ones who engage in this display of ignorance.
 

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Load of bullshit when compared to a highly communicable disease that rips through entire facilities of elderly.

If you havent been keeping in touch with your elderly relatives online and thru windows and other means all this time....and think that a visit on Thanksgiving will 'cure' their loneliness and prevent their suicide...that's is a very delusional idea.

Convenient to your narrative, yet wholly false.
wow....what a way to project.

Got any family in nursing homes you haven't seen a while? hmmm, might want to talk to them.

My grandparents still write letters and use landline. They've never had a cell phone or email, so writing long letters is good for us and keeps us all in touch. Then on holidays, we take the time to see them.

I suggest you start visiting a few relatives....couldn't hurt.
 

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wow....what a way to project.

Got any family in nursing homes you haven't seen a while? hmmm, might want to talk to them.

My grandparents still write letters and use landline. They've never had a cell phone or email, so writing long letters is good for us and keeps us all in touch. Then on holidays, we take the time to see them.

I suggest you start visiting a few relatives....couldn't hurt.
Did you read the exchange? Give me a break, my entire family is 3000 miles away so we FaceTime, etc. And my 84 yr old mother lives with my sisters.

However, she used to be a nurse and for awhile, she worked in a nursing home. She made it very clear to us what that life was like for people and taught us several life lessons about that.

So take your self-righteousness and...funnel it into reading the entire conversation with Joko and come back and tell me if you agree with him or me? That visiting your elderly loved ones in-person (Joko) during this epidemic to prevent suicide is a lower risk to their lives (and the rest of the people in the facility) than FaceTiming and other methods of visiting (moi)?
 

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Sorry, little man, you seem very confused about what transpired.
Come back when you're capable of stringing together enough words to give us an example of these 'privileges' you would strip from other citizens, Comrade.
 

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It's not a claim, it's fact. People spreading a highly communicable disease present a far higher risk to their elderly loved ones AND every other person in that facility. If you dont understand this, I suggest you listen to the grammar school kids they interview every day on the local news that can maybe explain it to you better.

You are 100% wrong that not visiting your elderly relatives is more risky than doing so. And they arent alone and in-person visiting isnt the only way to interact with them.


Such moronic statements, useless except to avoid the discussion and facts.

Your posts on this are a giant, overwhelming fail.

I understand your messages are at grammar school level - meaning what the plutocrats tell you for THEIR profit and power thru the MSM ownership is like a teacher instructing purely submissive grammar school students.

At least you admit that masks and social distancing are worthless since you obviously claim they don't work when visiting elderly people. In fact, the "experts" can contradict themselves back and forth such as who pays their way demand - and you jump back and forth with them, whatever they claim are the unquestionable scientific facts today - opposite the unquestionable scientific facts they were telling you yesterday. How much longer do you think the "no more than 2 weeks so don't stock up" is going to last. Did you believe Fauci and the Surgeon General when they told NOT to wear masks because you will more likely infect yourself if you do? Do you believe Fauci now when he says you should also wear a face shield? Do you? Or do you refuse because you don't care about killing people with covid-19 after getting yourself infected?

You have your excuse never to visit old people and really why you should never go out yourself.
Pneumonia is a perpetual pandemic disease in that it is contagious.

These diseases are always present - but according to the MSM, press and Internet there are only two contagious diseases in the world - covid-19 and the flu - but ONLY the flu when they are marketing flu shots. Otherwise the flu doesn't exist.

To panic you and most people all they have to do is have their TV stations, newspapers and Internet news outlets rant 24/7 covid-19!!! covid-19!!!! a billion times - and you start ranting it too. If they ranted pneumonia 24-7 for months you'd be ranting about it. They can panic you and most people anyway they want to for whatever motives that they have.
 

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I understand your messages are at grammar school level - meaning what the plutocrats tell you for THEIR profit and power thru the MSM ownership is like a teacher instructing purely submissive grammar school students.

At least you admit that masks and social distancing are worthless since you obviously claim they don't work when visiting elderly people. In fact, the "experts" can contradict themselves back and forth such as who pays their way demand - and you jump back and forth with them, whatever they claim are the scientific facts today - opposite the scientific facts they were telling you yesterday.

You have your excuse never to visit old people and really why you should never go out yourself.
Pneumonia is a perpetual pandemic disease in that it is contagious.

These diseases are always present - but according to the MSM, press and Internet there are only two contagious diseases in the world - covid-19 and the flu - but ONLY the flu when they are marketing flu shots. Otherwise the flu doesn't exist.

To panic you and most people all they have to do is have their TV stations, newspapers and Internet news outlets rant 24/7 covid-19!!! covid-19!!!! a billion times - and you start ranting it too. If they ranted pneumonia 24-7 for months you'd be ranting about it.

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Our area is over 70% elderly. It is one of the MOST resistant and non-compliant areas in the country in terms of not wearing masks, not locking themselves indoors, etc. People go out and about, a lot of sunlight and fresh air. Continuing their lives. Only some corporate stores and restaurants have "wear masks" signs. Many locally owned restaurants and stores refused to close down, refuse to follow the 25%, 50% seating rules etc. Because this is a tourist area that people travel to from around the state and USA - particularly since we did not close our beaches, shut everything down etc, there is "exposure" to people from everywhere too. I'd never seen as many tourists here when most of the country was ordered closed - including from major nearby Florida cities like Tampa. They flooded here then instead.

So this area should have astronomical covid-19 death rates, right? But we do not know anyone - or even know anyone who knows anyone - who has died of covid-19. Not one person. We ask often "do you know anyone who has died of covid-19?" The answer is always "no." However, the elderly and others continue to die otherwise as it normal - and likely more than normal as other medical care and examinations were ordered suspended to be ready for the mass covid-19 infections - that never came because people were NOT following the "maximize the spread of covid-19 edicts.

Just because the plutocrats making TRILLIONS off the shutdowns tell you something a million times 24/7 day after week after month after month after month thru the TV stations, newspapers and Internet outlets they own - banning any other opinions and fact-claims - doesn't make it true. But it does to most Americans who were indoctrinated by TV and now the Internet every minute of their life from birth.

Up until April of this year, it was ALWAYS advised for flu-like diseases to get outdoors in the sun and for fresh air. The BIG lie is the notion that it is irrelevant whether 1 covid-19 virus or 1,000,000,000 covid-19 virus get into your body - which is what happens when staying indoors and believing a piece of cloth and 6 foot distance protects you in a WalMart store that has 5,000+ customers a day.

EVERYONE inhales "lethal" virus by the millions with every breathe they take. The question is always a race against time. Can you body figure how to kill those virus before they kill you. The more lethal virus you inhale, the sicker you will get and may even lose the race - and then your life. Fresh air outdoors has a tiny fraction of viruses that compound indoors because of air flow and because sunlight slaughters viruses F A S T! The covid-19 rules are DESIGNED to infect as many people as possible - and to kill as many people as possible. It takes an IQ of 80 and the ability to actually being an independent thinking human to understand that.
What city are you in?
 

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What city are you in?
I have more than one child. They don't hear much about Santa Claus. Their mother tends to do more of the parenting, particularly when infants and very young. Other adults assist in various ways. I would guess they would figure the Santa Claus character is no different than other cartoon characters. We are not like other parents. Our children are allowed very little and highly supervised television time and later limited and supervised internet access. They are highly supervised and guided. Developing social skills also is very managed, directed and specific.

We never lie to or fool our children. We pursue perfect consistency as parents. They each need to learn from the start they can and should completely rely on what we say - like it or not. Our goal as parents is that each of our children is best prepared to have a very successful adult life each to their own goals when they each graduate from high school - for which we want each to have as many options and as great of success the rest of their lives as possible.

The oldest is quite a bit older than the rest. She won every science fair she entered, even 2 in the same year - as diverse as psychology, biology and environmentalism. She was published in international science journals and lecturing to PhD scientists from around the world - while still in high school for one of her projects - changing the pathogens testing protocols for water worldwide. That is just one item of her awesome resume'. In less than 3 months she became the #1 income earner with a major investment firm - who offered her a 6 figure contract to stay and quick path to partnership - at age 20 - but just a part time learning experience for her. She now is a team leader super geek for secret stuff in the military.

The first 18 years of a person's life can be allowed to be wasted - and that child was betrayed and will suffer for that parental betrayal. Or a child could be walked down the path to having an extraordinary adult life. We give our children the latter option. Few parents do. From birth, children have extraordinary potential if guided and forced to develop each to their own particularly unique skills, abilities and personality. There is a point, around age 13ish, they come to appreciate the advantages of their growing knowledge and skill sets.

I'm in Citrus County, Florida.
 
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I'd be willing, Bene. I would support the removal of ALL their privileges. I would support fines, I would support imprisonment. I would support exile. I would support them being tied to a board and vaccinated by force, once the vaccine is available.

On second thought, perhaps support is too strong a word. I would simply have as few shits to give if it happened to them as they had to give about the people they came into contact with. None. Zero. Not a one. **** every last one of them.
But about what specific "privileges" are you speaking?

I can't lie; I'm horrified by the idea of someone being tied down and vaccinated by force.
 

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I'd just love to see you prove this.
Fact 1: We're all living in a pandemic.
Fact 2: You getting sick endangers people around you.
Fact 3: Nobody who hasn't been sick is immune, and we're not even 100% sure about that.

Everyone is in the same boat.
 

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Some people can't be counted on, It's that simple. Chips are down, time to pull together and they cross their arms and refuse to be inconvenienced. "I don't want to and you can't make me!" They use magic words, 'personal responsibility', 'refuse to live in fear', 'freedom and rights blablahblah', it's all justcovering up a childish, stubborn refusal to be inconvenienced.It's affected my relationship with two people already. I won't forget who didn't do their part when everyone else tried to be part of the solution.
The simple truth is not everybody shares the same opinion of the severity of the pandemic. There are conflicting reports and some just choose to believe the worse case scenario and others believe in a more positive approach.
 

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And there it is. You just made the OP's point.

Go back and read what it actually says, not what you feel that it says. That includes the article.
If masks work why are we seeing an uptick in cases ?
 

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The simple truth is not everybody shares the same opinion of the severity of the pandemic. There are conflicting reports and some just choose to believe the worse case scenario and others believe in a more positive approach.
The simple truth is the severity isn't a matter of opinion. It's severe. It's just how much importance you put on it being severe.
Almost every summer here the bush gets so dry the government declares an open campfire ban. Would you decide the severe risk wasn't important enough and make a fire where you were camping?
 

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There's a virus killing people in our community, and there's no way to tell who is infected until symptoms show a week or more after they become infections. If everyone wears a mask, then we prevent the infection from being spread so far, by the masked infected people. The uninfected people who wear a mask have an extra layer of protection from the infected ones.
So simple even a five year-old can figure it out. Why can't adults do the same?
 

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The premise of the OP is that it is morally wrong to try to manipulate a persons behavior by using guilt as that tool. That apparently means to Progressives that they should virtue signal and shame anyone who does not agree with the mask mandates . You cant make up this kind of irony lmao
Love means willing the good of another. Human contact and seeing your family are good.

My grandparents have been around longer than I have. They're perfectly capable of judging risks for themselves.
Exposing yourself and vulnerable others to an avoidable risk for one day of partying and gluttony is irresponsible and stupid. Have your 'human contact' when it's safe to do so-or suffer the same consequences as 260,000 Americans and their grieving relatives have done. After this recklessness of Thanksgiving and Christmas with millions travelling all over the country is over, you'll be seeing deaths in numbers like a bad Steven King novel; except they won't be fictional. And it could be your family.
 

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That is why we have to have laws. Laws exist for people like that who cannot be trusted to show the most basic respect for other people's lives.
Laws alone will not git-r-done - see the war on drugs. Those who lack respect for others (or laws) will violate laws - especially laws which are not well enforced.
 

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‘I Refuse To Live In Fear’ Is Just An Attempt To Excuse Selfish Behavior
Nope. It is utterly selfish to demand others bow to your will.

I choose to roll the dice. Thus I will live or die and will be immune to this thing soon, or already am.

Once there are suficent people immune the disease will stop. Herd immunity.

You cowards should thank us for making the world safe for you again.
 

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Exposing yourself and vulnerable others to an avoidable risk for one day of partying and gluttony is irresponsible and stupid. Have your 'human contact' when it's safe to do so-or suffer the same consequences as 260,000 Americans and their grieving relatives have done. After this recklessness of Thanksgiving and Christmas with millions travelling all over the country is over, you'll be seeing deaths in numbers like a bad Steven King novel; except they won't be fictional. And it could be your family.
Nope. It is utterly selfish to demand others bow to your will.

I choose to roll the dice. Thus I will live or die and will be immune to this thing soon, or already am.

Once there are suficent people immune the disease will stop. Herd immunity.

You cowards should thank us for making the world safe for you again.
 

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Nope. It is utterly selfish to demand others bow to your will.

I choose to roll the dice. Thus I will live or die and will be immune to this thing soon, or already am.

Once there are suficent people immune the disease will stop. Herd immunity.

You cowards should thank us for making the world safe for you again.
No, it's those idiots who refuse to adhere to common sense precautions because of some perverted idea that they are being subject to government 'tyranny' or some other such nonsense, who are running around, maskless, potentially spreading the disease around even further. I should thank people for being reckless morons? I don't think so. If you think being cautious and staying safe is cowardice, I don't know what to say to you that wouldn't get me banned. You want to risk death, be my guest, but don't expect me to follow suit and act like a fool. I leave that course of action to the libertarian idiots and their whining 'freedom!'.
You want to "roll the dice"? Why are casinos still in business; oh yes, because dice rollers lose...
 

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Nope. It is utterly selfish to demand others bow to your will.

I choose to roll the dice. Thus I will live or die and will be immune to this thing soon, or already am.

Once there are suficent people immune the disease will stop. Herd immunity.

You cowards should thank us for making the world safe for you again.
The ignorance in this post is astounding. Your lack of self confidence also rears it's head.
 
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Exposing yourself and vulnerable others to an avoidable risk for one day of partying and gluttony is irresponsible and stupid. Have your 'human contact' when it's safe to do so-or suffer the same consequences as 260,000 Americans and their grieving relatives have done. After this recklessness of Thanksgiving and Christmas with millions travelling all over the country is over, you'll be seeing deaths in numbers like a bad Steven King novel; except they won't be fictional. And it could be your family.
I'm so ashamed😪
(Feel better now?)
 
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