Yep. And I don't want people telling me what I can and can't do with it. If, say, I have a big hairy mole right on the tip of my nose, and I want it taken off, I want to have that right. Even if you can find an occasional person who had a big hairy mole taken off and later regretted it, I still want that decision to be mine and not yours.
so what 14 year old that wants to be a prostitute should be stopped a 14-year-old that wants a swastika tattooed on their forehead shouldn't be stopped you don't want people telling you what to do with your body that should be permitted right?
We're not talking about adults here. Or are we talking about dealing with deformities. We're talking about life altery decisions and you can play this game where I don't want people telling me what to do with my body but in the same breath you have to be okay with a 15 year old getting a swastika tattoo under forehead because it's their money they should be allowed to do with it what they want right?
Basically, its queer version of 'Uncle Toming' that you are discussing broadly here, and what I interpret as a list of your hunches on the possible motives certainly are some obvious options when it happens to more conservative voices withint the demographic. Its hard to determine which is which in any specific case, but its not hard to determine the potential affects of a concerted effort. The effect is to silence a minority 'conservative' position/ideology among members of the queer community in the short-term and delegitimize those positions, and in the long term impact representation and clout outside of a very narrow selection of political cliques. Do we really want to be in a position where we have no voices or influence beyond a progressive left of center alliance? Do we really want to live in an echo chamber of left of center positions and rhetoric that a few in the LBGTQ community may be working to create and amplify?
But if they want to chop off their genitals we can't wait head did people who have done that regret it it possibly commits suicide why is there suicide worth less than anybody elses? Why don't you care about those people is it because you can't use them for your virtue signal?
no it's not Uncle Toming it's shunning. It's a cult-like behavior. You don't think like we think you should based on something about you so therefore you can't claim that you belong to a sexual orientation.
well I would ask you this could conservatives be gay can liberals be straight if the answer to either one of those questions is yes that it doesn't seem like there's that much of an issue here.
well people who are LGBT want many different things. We can't all have a single voice that would mean we're a cult. Is the acceptance has increased I would say there's not really even a community anymore. But we were a community we were a community of outcasts we were all we had now we have gay weddings and our parents show up to celebrate with us many of us retain our family and don't need to seek a new family in a community.
well well it's not just conservatives you're blacks or gays I see it at other areas too. Not another forum are basically being called and Uncle Tom conservatives cuz I'm gay.
I haven't suggested that potential suicides by those who regret it are worth less. Quite the contrary. I've spoken in terms of the possibility of elevated suicide rates among those forced to wait -- I'm talking about an elevation relative to what the rate would be if not forced to wait, obviously.
Yes you have. If we bust proceed with these operations that those suicides are worth less.
I definitely haven't. Go back and reread, trying to spot the place you think I suggested that. When you fail to find it, think about why that might be.
I'm not sure what you were trying to say there.
I didn't criticize him for being gay. I wondered why if he was gay then why was he such a hypocrite to other members of the LGBT demographic. He can get gay and have 3+ boyfriends and I'll defend his right to be as gay as he wants. I just don't care. I do care about people being hypocrites.
They dont affirm every child.
I thought you were all for medical choice! Go snarf some ivermectin please.
That might be your problem if you are not CIS and trying to force yourself to be CIS. Go talk to a psychologist and be very frank about your feelings. That is why that career exists. Height is not easy to change but weight is with proper methods, exercise and diet. Ive lost weight (5 lbs recently) just treating my anxiety because I was stress eating.
Yes, I see a difference, in the sense that the mole probably doesn't strike near and dear to a person's sense of self-identity, so the suffering of being forced to continue to live with it for a few more years is probably not the kind of thing someone is going to kill themselves over, whereas being forced to live in a body you feel fundamentally conflicts with your identity in a way as intimate and psychologically meaningful as your gender could well lead to a suicide. That's why I'd want to see evidence for how this is playing out in practice, because I just don't have a good feel, at this point, for how much risk we're imposing on people by forcing them to wait for adulthood to transition.
Its not just the penis removed. It is gender dysphoria that is caused by a psychological gender identity (internal sense of gendered self) that is different from their biological gender. The penis is not removed but instead if it turned inside out to form the neo-vagina. It would be malpractice to cut it off because the nerves would be severed and as such there would be no feelings in the vagina. For someone who claimed in the past to have a PhD in psycholgioy you are astonishing ignorent of even basic psychological concepts.
It seems like you're always going to err on the side of your virtue signal so there's no point in continuing this discussion.
Unfortunately there are going to be an enormous number of kids making that mistake.. In my view medical professional that prescribes puberty blockers or performs a mastectomy on a minor for the purpose of gender reassignment is a quack and should have his or her medical license revoked. And the parents that allow that to go forward should have their head examined.
Where is that evidence?
The article Renae posted is a good start. Do you seriously think what happened with that girl will be rare?
I don't need a medical license to determine that any medical professional who prescribes puberty blockers or performs a mastectomy on a minor for the purpose of gender reassignment is a quack. That's just common sense.
It is very rare. Transgendered care has been happening for more than 60 years with only minor updates changes for new technology and experience. This is not a radical idea or an untested treatment protocol.
This is a video I just stumbled upon on YouTube by Jordan Peterson particularly on this issue and I would like to know from a transgender perspective, what do you think about this?
‘I literally lost organs:’ Why detransitioned teens regret changing genders
A look at the alarming rise of teens who are changing genders and then “detransitioning” back.nypost.com
THIS, please @Lisa and a few others PRO-Transitioning kids, read this. This is the thing I and others fear. This tells you what we are worried about. Even if you disagree, read the words of these kids.
I see that she states that it's rare and it's going to become more common in it is much more common now than it ever has been so my thoughts is rare relative to what.
In one of my previous posts (398) I included a video where Jordan Peterson a college professor of psychology if you don't know went on to describe transitioning kids as equal to sacrificing children. He utterly excoriates this idea that medical professionals know better than everyone else.
