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  1. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    There are lots of interesting differences between the historical meaning of the bill of rights and the modern gloss that has been put on them. For example, the first amendment only protected political speech. No founder would have ever dreamed that it would be use to protect something like...
  2. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    I don't disagree with all of that, although I'd say that the second amendment relates to a state militia as opposed to a federal standing army.
  3. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    Well, I apologize for misinterpreting. But for future reference, you appeared to be sarcastic with all the bolding and so forth in your post. I look forward to hearing your educated thoughts on the subject.
  4. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    I don't think you understand what I wrote.
  5. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    But you don't actually understand what "keep and bear arms" meant to the framers.
  6. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    Well, I can tell pretty clearly from the tone of your post that you've shut your mind to learning anything already. But on the off chance that you're interested in getting an education on the subject, all your questions are answered in this article, which I have already cited in this thread...
  7. Guy Incognito

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    A lot of people, lawyers and judges included, make the mistake of falsely imputing modern understandings of words onto the words of laws written hundreds of years ago. That is the major flaw in your analysis. You can't just read the Federalist Papers and the Constitution and act like you've...
  8. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    You know, I never said anything about being brilliant. The fact that I take the time to read up on the subject doesn't make me brilliant, it just makes me not ignorant. This is not my own argument, I have read the writings of other, more learned historians and scholars of legal history. It...
  9. Guy Incognito

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    That's the problem, I've provided plenty of references and you've obstinately refused to read them. You are simply wrong, your wrongness is apparent to all who are familiar with the subject matter. I have gone above and beyond in an attempt to educate you. Your unwillingness to read and your...
  10. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    It's really on you if you arent willing to read 71 pages to get some understanding of the historical context. This is not a history channel level issue. It is well understood by historians, and I am correct. It isn't a debate, I am simply because explaining a well known fact. I am trying to do...
  11. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    See, here's the problem, the willfulness not to read to learn about the subject. It is impossible for the teacher to do his job when the student refuses to do their homework:shrug: Ultimately, you do need to read all of those articles to get to where I am at. Otherwise, you can accept my...
  12. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    I provided plenty of references. This is a well settled historical issue, to the point that the original meaning of the second amendment being militia based is essentially common knowledge. So it may be helpful not to conceptualize this as a debate. It isn't. That implies a back and forth...
  13. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    But it is. If you're not giving due respect to historical context how could you possibly expect to understand the meaning of an eighteenth century document? It is historically inaccurate to anachronistically put a modern construction on the constitution, and it takes deep study of the time...
  14. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    This is a well settled historical matter. You should take a look at post 39 for some references to further reading.
  15. Guy Incognito

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    Yeah, that's true:thumbs:
  16. Guy Incognito

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    Jerry, this is complicated stuff, it's tough. I want to try to help you understand. I do not want to ridicule you for not understanding. It's unsportsmanlike. So, as clearly as I can, let me break it all down for you. The issue here not what Heller says, but whether the justifications...
  17. Guy Incognito

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    No, it's funny that when lack of historical understanding is posed when quotes that give historical context are unthinkingly dismissed by people advancing a political agenda without giving a thought to genuine history. It's also funny that, despite being confronted with genuine history...
  18. Guy Incognito

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    At this point, your lack of understanding is willful. I have made my point clearly and demolished your argument. You therefore lose the debate. It has been a pleasure defeating you.
  19. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    Feel free to look up the quote on your own. Just one of many historical examples demonstrating the original meaning of the phrase "keep and bear arms." It is very common to misunderstand this now obsolete legal term of art, as you do. Don't feel bad, it requires some real study of history...
  20. Guy Incognito

    Quiz Question on Second Amendment:

    It is not analogous. The phrase "keep and bear arms" was a legal term of art that specifically referred to military service. In its original meaning it does not, as many historically ignorant people think, mean the same thing as simply "hold and own guns." "The words ‘bear arms’ … have...
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