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  1. Joby

    Bombs Away For Russia, Hands Tied Behind Back for U.S. & Israel

    Absolutely not, and I never said this. I said we shouldn’t be fighting to convert peoples to liberal or communist values. Of course we should ally with illiberal Vietnam. They wouldn’t be hosting our enemies like they currently are. The Islamist Jihadists won twice. We are the losers...
  2. Joby

    Bombs Away For Russia, Hands Tied Behind Back for U.S. & Israel

    Yes this is literally my point we shouldn't have been supporting a regime based on liberal ideas in Afghanistan (or communist ideas, anywhere) You know who committed a ton of war crimes? The Taliban. Aka the 2x Winners. Compared to losing? And being strung up by some Jihadist mob while you're...
  3. Joby

    Ukraine War Thread

    Oh yes, in the grand American tradition of creating democracies and then running away as they burn! I sure hope your morals feel good to the dead Afghans we left behind! Perhaps that spirit rolled out the red carpet for the advance of ISIS by the pathetic American-created liberal government...
  4. Joby

    Bombs Away For Russia, Hands Tied Behind Back for U.S. & Israel

    War crimes are simply irrelevant if you win and nobody is coming to save you if you lose. It's better to be a war criminal and win than end up getting genocided out like would have happened to the Alwites in Syria or did happen to the poor sops dumb enough to support the USA in Afghanistan...
  5. Joby

    Has Putin Lost Already?

    The goalposts for Putin were always notoriously vague. The idea of fully annexing Ukraine seems to be on the extreme end of the scale, and at this point the russians are taking more Ukrainian territory. As I said initially if full annexation is the metric then it doesn't appear Russia will be...
  6. Joby

    Bombs Away For Russia, Hands Tied Behind Back for U.S. & Israel

    Israel will take whatever action they need to do to survive. If western liberals decide that Israel is illegitimate anyways that will open new tools for Israel to use. Why spend millions on smart weapons to save civilian lives when it's irrelevant? In fact it may be determined that inflicting...
  7. Joby

    Bombs Away For Russia, Hands Tied Behind Back for U.S. & Israel

    I'd say that's a bit simplistic and harsh. I do believe that western liberals have largely forgotten what it means to be playing with all of your chips on the table. Which is very unfortunate. I feel very strongly that the US focus in Afghanistan and Iraq should have been on creating states...
  8. Joby

    Bombs Away For Russia, Hands Tied Behind Back for U.S. & Israel

    OP, You are completely correct. However, Israel relies on western liberals for support. Russia does not. Western liberals and their beliefs about proportionality do not actually matter except to other western liberals (eg Kabul, Yemen, Syria...none of the western liberal beliefs actually matter...
  9. Joby

    Has Putin Lost Already?

    Russia is still advancing and holding Ukrainian territory however. Western arms and sanctions have not stopped this fact after the initial debacle of the Russian assault on Kiev (though the south and east is looking more and more secured for Russia) but it looks like following what can only be...
  10. Joby

    Ukraine War Thread

    John Bolton is a western liberal. He believes western liberalism should be spread by force and the tools of western liberalism such as NATO should be expanded. Bolton believes in a unipolar world in which the liberal west is not only the dominant power but the only true power. Not relevant...
  11. Joby

    Ukraine War Thread

    Grozny was rubble a decade ago. Now they’re amongst the most enthusiastic fighting for Russia. Odd isn’t it? Coming from a “we must win hearts and minds” culture doesn’t make tremendous sense. Hell, the Russians got the Islamist terrorists they conquered to fight on their side. Maybe We...
  12. Joby

    Ukraine War Thread

    I would rather have a dictator in charge than live in a country where different factions battle it out like they did in Iraq. I would rather have had the US build a state that can defend itself than some liberal do-gooder dream that crumbles as soon as the Taliban arrives. I would rather have...
  13. Joby

    Ukraine War Thread

    Unless we ignore the continued purchase of Russian energy by western countries of course.
  14. Joby

    Ukraine War Thread

    China will bear no cost whatsoever for supporting Russia in full. On the contrary, I believe they will receive token hand wringing from the West but there will be no serious disengagement in the short term. Simultaneously their growing energy needs will be met with discounted Russian while their...
  15. Joby

    Has Putin Lost Already?

    Just have to point out as well that if a fifth of my country was occupied with the occupiers launching a new offensive today I wouldn’t be celebrating.
  16. Joby

    Has Putin Lost Already?

    There are none that will be nearly as cheap or that easy to get to. It’s likely that European industry would become uncompetitive if alternate sources had to be relied on. If they were easy to get I imagine the Europeans would have stopped financing this war by now.
  17. Joby

    Has Putin Lost Already?

    If Yes. If Russia is still standing in a year and Ukraine is still an armed camp under siege they will be winning. The storm will have been weathered and within Russia it will be understood they are in an existential struggle. The Russians now understand they will never integrate with the...
  18. Joby

    Has Putin Lost Already?

    If Russian success was annexation of Ukraine (which russia has never stated) then yes. But though Russia has not emerged victorious over Ukraine the terms must change as now the entire western world is aligned against it. So in effect the new metric for Russia's winning or losing will be the...
  19. Joby

    OSCE Says Hungarian, Serbian Elections Marred By 'Absence' Of Level Playing Fields

    This is just such a transparently bullshitingly vague accusation by the same folks who tell you it's the Russians undermining "faith in democracy." And the same people can't ever accept defeat... In Serbia the Monarchists are back in parliament, multiple parties in fact. They honestly look like...
  20. Joby

    Ukraine War Thread

    I completely agree, and for Zelensky it may be possible to keep his country in a state of being an armed camp for quite some time. It will be interesting to see if Putin struggles domestically with the economic effects and a longer war than planned, but I personally wouldn't bet on him losing...
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