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  1. MSR

    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! One can compare them where they are similair... I am not comparing WWII to Iraq... I am comparing the liberation of Italy to Iraq. Technology has little to do with the argument. When you completely remove a government and then have to rebuild...
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    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    I am trying to compare wars.. not debate the value or ethics of war. Apples to Apples. Your point is very true.. no two wars are exactly a like. But I think these two are enough a like that they actually give us insight in to what to expect in this kind of nasty endeavor. No one likes war...
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    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! As I have said to others you do not have to like my argument. I assure you.. if you do a little research you will find the insurgency issues that plagued Italy for 30 years. For me, in my argument, the data that is the most compelling is not...
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    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    WOW, there are about 15 different topics in your post, all worthy of debate. I will comment on the interesting relationship between conservative (not republican) and liberal (not democrat) policy deployment that you included in your comments because it speaks directly to the Iraq conflict...
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    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! I have no intention of proving you wrong. There is no requirement that you like the Italy example. It is the example I am using to defend my argument. I have given plenty of information for you to research it yourself if you like... even...
  6. MSR

    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! You are correct! I never said there was rebellion in Germany or Italy. I was offering that as an example of how a success in Iraq might look. I think it should be expected that we will never completely leave Iraq if it remains a democracy...
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    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! Not the ones who want to cut our heads off. It would be very legitimate to them.
  8. MSR

    Love the comeback

    You know you are right... some people only NEED to set at home smoke dope, eat Doretos and watch Oprah while the UN protects us from those who want to cut our heads off for expressing our views. These same folks also believe that our most basic constitutional right is to hide in our basement...
  9. MSR

    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! Well my opinion (everyone has one) is that they want to create a fascist state in Iraq (as they did in Afghanistan), partner with the Iranian Leadership and be the driving force in the Middle East. They would then have a launching pad for...
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    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Yes this is exactly what the Viet-Cong wanted to accomplish as is the goals of the insurgency in Iraq. A very good comparison and argument for not running away. That makes at least two groups that want us to run-away in Iraq... the Dem Leadership and Al-Qaida. :roll:
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    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! I am relying on information I gained from various encyclopedias, I avoided opinion pieces in my research... here is the quote I recorded from my research: "In December 1970, a coup dubbed the Golpe Borghese failed. It was organized and...
  12. MSR

    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    If you are interested at all.. another tid-bit as to the question of when do we leave... We never left Italy. Vicenza – is home to the 173d Airborne Brigade. We have an Army base in Livorno; an Air Force bases in Aviano. The home of the Navy's sixth fleet is in Italy located in Sigonella...
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    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! If we use this definition of insurgency: "an insurrection against an existing government, usually one's own, by a group not recognized as having the status of a belligerent." History tells us that there was Noe-fascist insurrection related...
  14. MSR

    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! It is the debtors choice as to what is used to support their argument. In my view Viet-Nam and the USSR/Afghan wars are very poor comparisons because in comparison the current Iraq operation would be even more hugely successful. Remember...
  15. MSR

    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! Yes, I think you are correct. In fact in history there has never really been a "strong" Arab military. They usually fold pretty quickly. So is the point that the Iraq operation has been an easy? I understand that position and I think it...
  16. MSR

    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! BINGO! You just put it in a nut-shell.... I am not defining that. I want historical fact and military precedence to tell us. That is the point of the thread. Is the Iraq operation successful as compared to other Military operations that...
  17. MSR

    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    I answered this earlier in the thread: "Fighter Jets, Missles, Rockets... all of which were ordered to be "distoryed" by both the agrreements at the end of the Gulf War and under many UN resolutions. But they were simply powered down and hidden, not distroyed. Just because you take the...
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    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! So what was the Marshal Plan all about? An operation headed by an American General?
  19. MSR

    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! Yes you are 100% correct I created a thread that looks at the single premise that many Dems are using to say George Bush is asleep at the wheel. Many, Many Dem's are saying that Iraq has failed. This "angle" is a lie. And it is far worse than...
  20. MSR

    Iraq, The most sucessful war in US history!

    Re: Iraq, The most successful war in US history! You are correct, I apologize, I did not mean to infer that you had stated that.. what I was trying to say is that your arguments support that.. Your arguments speak to the reasonings for the war becoming so unpopular among so many people...
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