[W:268] Unvaccinated 11 times more likely to die of COVID

[Dittohead not!]

Then why dont you libs count those with natural immunity in your calculations and in your authoritarian dictates?

Because at least some of the people who have natural immunity due to having had COVID were self diagnosed.

Are you afraid of needles? Why do you care?

 

[seymourflops]

That's what booster shots are for. When your so called "natural immunity" wanes are you gonna go out and ask somebody to cough in your face so you can get Covid again?

Do we know that natural immunity would require the equivalent of a "booster?"

Someone posted a study showing natural immunity to be far stronger than vaccine induced immunity.

Common sense tells me that my strategy of not masking, working in a school and therefore being constantly exposed to the virus, keeps my body fighting it and therefore immune.

I did vaccinate, but that was for the perceived social benefits, not for my health.

 

[Dittohead not!]

This study, the largest of its kind, makes the opposite claim.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Claim what you want.
Are you afraid of needles? What's the big deal about getting a shot?

 

[HenryChinaski]

Do we know that natural immunity would require the equivalent of a "booster?"

Someone posted a study showing natural immunity to be far stronger than vaccine induced immunity.

Common sense tells me that my strategy of not masking, working in a school and therefore being constantly exposed to the virus, keeps my body fighting it and therefore immune.

I did vaccinate, but that was for the perceived social benefits, not for my health.

A study that isn't peer reviewed with other issues as the my follow up shows. There are too many unknown variables regarding "natural immunity whereas we know much more regarding the effectiveness of vaccination.

 

[seymourflops]

A study that isn't peer reviewed with other issues as the my follow up shows.

But the point is that there is such a thing as natural immunity, and there is no reason to think that it is weaker than artificial immunity from a vaccination.

There are too many unknown variables regarding "natural immunity whereas we know much more regarding the effectiveness of vaccination.

We do? Since when?

Since two months ago when planeloads of fully vaccinated people flew to DC and infected Congress and the White House because we didn't know that vaccinated people could be re-infected and then infect others?

You're saying our knowledge has been perfected in the weeks since then?

 

[calamity]

 

[HenryChinaski]

But the point is that there is such a thing as natural immunity, and there is no reason to think that it is weaker than artificial immunity from a vaccination.


We do? Since when?

Since two months ago when planeloads of fully vaccinated people flew to DC and infected Congress and the White House because we didn't know that vaccinated people could be re-infected and then infect others?

You're saying our knowledge has been perfected in the weeks since then?

How Well Do Covid-19 Vaccines Protect Against Coronavirus Delta Variants? Here’s A New CDC Study

The study found that those fully vaccinated were nearly five times less likely to get Covid-19, over 10 times less likely to get hospitalized, and over 10 less likely to die from Covid-19 than those who were not fully vaccinated.

www.forbes.com

As you can see, the study found that even after the U.S. had become a “Delta house,” so to speak, those fully vaccinated were still around five times less likely to get infected, over ten times less likely to get hospitalized, and over ten times less likely to die from Covid-19. Those numbers, to borrow the words of Juicy J, ain’t nothing.

How did the study come up with these numbers? Magic? Intuition? A gut feeling? A deep conversation with a pillow? Well, the research team used real data, you know that thing that you are supposed to have before you make statements about Covid-19 vaccines? They looked at reported Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths from April 4 to July 17 suffered by adults 18 years and older across 13 U.S. jurisdictions. These jurisdictions included Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, Los Angeles County (California), Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, New Mexico, New York City (New York), North Carolina, Seattle/King County (Washington), and Utah. So it was a fairly broad sample.

 

[beefheart]

Because at least some of the people who have natural immunity due to having had COVID were self diagnosed.

Are you afraid of needles? Why do you care?

This anti vaxxer guy figured he would have natural immunity...

Doug Pothul, 58, Ocala, FL, Jiu Jitsu industry, extreme anti-vaxxer, dead from "The Flu" (COVID).

According to this obituary. Doug, a widower and father of 3 boys, died of COVID on August 29, 2021. What will become of his three sons? Ugh. Awful.Doug has the dubious honor of having posting more anti-vaxx propaganda than any entry on sorry anti-vaxxers I've seen so far. It's truly remarkable...

www.sorryantivaxxer.com

 

[HenryChinaski]

This anti vaxxer guy figured he would have natural immunity...

Doug Pothul, 58, Ocala, FL, Jiu Jitsu industry, extreme anti-vaxxer, dead from "The Flu" (COVID).

According to this obituary. Doug, a widower and father of 3 boys, died of COVID on August 29, 2021. What will become of his three sons? Ugh. Awful.Doug has the dubious honor of having posting more anti-vaxx propaganda than any entry on sorry anti-vaxxers I've seen so far. It's truly remarkable...

www.sorryantivaxxer.com

I feel bad for these peoples loved ones. His children don't have a father now because daddy was stupid

 

[beefheart]

I feel bad for these peoples loved ones. His children don't have a father now because daddy was stupid

Yep, there are over a hundred of these dead anti-vaxxers on the site now.

 

[Fletch]

Nope, not even close. There's no way of knowing how long natural immunity will last...and who/how many are resistant to Delta. We know vaccine immunity requires boosters...are you assuming natural immunity is superior and is permanent? Do you have sources for that?

The vaccines reduce numbers of infections, period. The vaccinated spread it, esp. Delta, less. Vax can enhance natural immunity, most likely does. The more infections, the more replications...and the more potential for new variants.

So the unvaxxed are still spreading infection more. You dont know a damn thing about their 'natural immunity.' It doesnt seem all that great...since 98% of those getting serious illness/dying kinds proves it's not all that great.

You are very invested in doing anything, believing anything, that would validate not getting vaccinated (without medical reason). Why is that? (And of course I'm more than happy to answer that question myself from the opposite perspective.)

Where are you getting this from. How many people who have had the virus are getting it a second time and suffering a serious illness?

 

[Fletch]

Happy to. What sources show Americans with natural immunity to identify, test, and 'calculate'?

Thats sort of the point. The simple minded left turns everything into an us vs them. There are three categories of people, not two. There are the vaccinated, the unvaccinated and those who have already had the virus and have a level of natural immunity to it.

 

[Fletch]

Because the unvaccinated are overwhelming our health care system for one thing. What you do affects all of us, whether we're "libs" or "Karens" or whatever.

Thats a lie. Hospitals are not being overwhelmed

 

[Dittohead not!]

Thats a lie. Hospitals are not being overwhelmed

Oh, really. So you think you know more than the health care providers do? Really?

 

[Fletch]

A study that isn't peer reviewed with other issues as the my follow up shows. There are too many unknown variables regarding "natural immunity whereas we know much more regarding the effectiveness of vaccination.

Lol peer reviewed. What the hell do you know about that? How many people who are dying of covid today have already had the virus once before? And when you cant find an answer to that question anywhere, sk yourself why that is

 

[Fletch]

Oh, really. So you think you know more than the health care providers do? Really?

No, just more than you

 

[Paradoxical]

Do we know that natural immunity would require the equivalent of a "booster?"

Someone posted a study showing natural immunity to be far stronger than vaccine induced immunity.

Common sense tells me that my strategy of not masking, working in a school and therefore being constantly exposed to the virus, keeps my body fighting it and therefore immune.

I did vaccinate, but that was for the perceived social benefits, not for my health.

I am not vaccinated. Neither I or my wife will get the vaccination. Neither one of us is sick. I MAY have had a bout of it a few months back. Not sure. I go to Arizona on business where no one masks up. I never got a flu shot. Have had the flu maybe 4-5 times my whole life.

What is "wrong" with people like me not wanting the vaccine that contains poisons and all kinds of other things, including strains of different viruses?? Can someone help me here?


PS. Seems even you people who were vaccinated and spreading the new strain didn't affect me. I want all vaccinated to have a red X on their foreheads so I can maintain a safe distance from your infectious breath.

 

[Lursa]

Where are you getting this from. How many people who have had the virus are getting it a second time and suffering a serious illness?

Please answer my post first.

 

[Lursa]

Thats sort of the point. The simple minded left turns everything into an us vs them. There are three categories of people, not two. There are the vaccinated, the unvaccinated and those who have already had the virus and have a level of natural immunity to it.

I'm not knocking natural immunity or people with it. I believe I have some level of it, having likely had covid. But I certainly didnt have Delta.

So stop pretending and accusing. Address the facts and issues. And you ignored my question: Happy to. What sources show Americans with natural immunity to identify, test, and 'calculate'?

 

[Lursa]

Thats a lie. Hospitals are not being overwhelmed

Yeah, they're all lying

Florida breaks record for COVID-19 hospitalizations

A day after it recorded the most new daily cases since the start of the pandemic, Florida on Sunday broke a previous record for current hospitalizations set more than a year ago before vaccines were available.

apnews.com

Florida Hospitals Are Filling Up As COVID-19 Cases Hit An All-Time High

Just shy of 24,000 coronavirus cases were reported in Florida on Friday, and its hospitals are feeling the pressure. Almost 44% of ICU beds in the state are occupied by COVID-19 patients.

www.npr.org

Alabama Sets New Record For Kids Hospitalized With Covid

50 children were hospitalized with Covid-19 across the state as of Thursday.

www.forbes.com

'We are in a very bad place': Alabama COVID-19 hospitalizations breach 2,100 as ICU beds dwindle

As COVID cases spike in Alabama, public health officials have pleaded with people to get vaccinated amid an unprecedented rise in hospitalizations.

www.montgomeryadvertiser.com

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/health/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.htmlhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/us/baton-rouge-childrens-hospital-surge/index.html

Baton Rouge children's hospital nears capacity, braces for surge in Covid cases ahead of the school year | CNN

A children's hospital in Louisiana is experiencing a wave of Covid-19 hospitalizations as the Delta variant pervades the region.

www.cnn.com

https://apnews.com/article/business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-tennessee-fd6614e6e900

COVID-19 forces Idaho hospitals past capacity, toward crisis

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Hospital facilities and public health agencies are scrambling to add capacity as the number of coronavirus cases continue to rise statewide. But many Idaho residents don't seem to feel the same urgency.

apnews.com

Washington hospital execs: little capacity to help Idaho

SEATTLE (AP) — Washington is facing its own COVID-19 crisis and has little capacity to help neighboring Idaho deal with an overwhelming surge of cases driven by unvaccinated people, state hospital executives and doctors said Monday.

apnews.com

Oregon’s hospitals are overwhelmed. Here’s what they’re asking you to do

Top officials with the four major health systems in the Portland metro area issued a fresh warning on Wednesday about the surge of COVID-19 resources that is straining resources statewide, burning out health workers and sickening unvaccinated people.

www.opb.org

Oregon has the fewest hospital beds per capita in the country

The low number of beds stems from a focus on prevention and de-emphasizing hospital care, but the pandemic is shining a light on unintended consequences.

www.kgw.com

Five states, double the links to corroborate. And that's just the low-hanging fruit. See also: MS, TN, KY.

 

[Hamish Howl]

No, just more than you

You're wrong.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Lol peer reviewed. What the hell do you know about that? How many people who are dying of covid today have already had the virus once before? And when you cant find an answer to that question anywhere, sk yourself why that is

How many of the people who are dying of COVID are vaccinated?

 

[Dittohead not!]

No, just more than you

I doubt that as well.

The U.S. Has Passed the Hospital Breaking Point​

The pandemic nightmare scenario—the buckling of hospital and health-care systems nationwide—has arrived. Several lines of evidence are now sending us the same message: Hospitals are becoming overwhelmed, causing them to restrict whom they admit and leading more Americans to die needlessly.

 

[Lursa]

How many of the people who are dying of COVID are vaccinated?

It's like they dont realize that of the vaccinated, many of us had covid and/OR were exposed to it (as I wrote earlier)...and all these sick and dying people now, 98% the unvaxxed...ALSO possibly already had and/OR were exposed to it in the last 18 months.

Can they really not figure this out? Natural immunity or not, it's not saving the unvaxxed from being very sick or dying.

At least...not to any level of significance.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I am not vaccinated. Neither I or my wife will get the vaccination. Neither one of us is sick. I MAY have had a bout of it a few months back. Not sure. I go to Arizona on business where no one masks up. I never got a flu shot. Have had the flu maybe 4-5 times my whole life.

What is "wrong" with people like me not wanting the vaccine that contains poisons and all kinds of other things, including strains of different viruses?? Can someone help me here?


PS. Seems even you people who were vaccinated and spreading the new strain didn't affect me. I want all vaccinated to have a red X on their foreheads so I can maintain a safe distance from your infectious breath.

Do you have children?

Four-year-old girl dies of Covid after anti-vaxxer mom contracts virus​

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