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Trump did one good thing ...... he killed the mandate that people MUST buy insurance coverage whether they can afford it or not.

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There is no other good thing about Trump as president ..........
 
8 million people signed up for Obamacare.


You can always afford Obamacare because it's subsidized. The poorer you are the less you pay.


If more people get on Obamacare, it will become even cheaper.


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The idea of the mandate was the idea of the very conservative Heritage Foundation from back in 1989- you know, before the GOP went completely rabid. Here they are to explain the reasoning behindtheir brand new idea at the time (just goes to show how far right the right has gone in the last few decades):

"Many states now require passengers in automobiles to wear seatbelts for their own protection. Many others require anybody driving a car to have liability insurance. But neither the federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Under the Heritage plan, there would be such a requirement.

This mandate is based on two important principles. First, that health care protection is a responsibility of individuals, not businesses. Thus to the extent that anybody should be required to provide coverage to a family, the household mandate assumes that it is the family that carries the first responsibility. Second, it assumes that there is an implicit contract between households and society, based on the notion that health insurance is not like other forms of insurance protection. If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance. If we find that he has spent his money on other things rather than insurance, we may be angry but we will not deny him services—even if that means more prudent citizens end up paying the tab.

A mandate on individuals recognizes this implicit contract. Society does feel a moral obligation to insure that its citizens do not suffer from the unavailability of health care. But on the other hand, each household has the obligation, to the extent it is able, to avoid placing demands on society by protecting itself…

A mandate on households certainly would force those with adequate means to obtain insurance protection, which would end the problem of middle-class “free riders” on society’s sense of obligation."

-Stuart Butler of the Heritage Foundation proposing the plan he called “Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans”, 1989
 
There is no other good thing about Trump as president ..........
Sure there is. The Trump administration
  • attained energy independence,
  • was massively successful in foreign policy, MSM reports to the contrary--defeated ISIS, boxed in Iranian and Russian aggression, improved ties with mid-eastern allies, brokered the Abrahamic accords, exposed Chinese aggression, signed dozens of new trade agreements
  • improved trade
  • reformed taxes,
  • lowered unemployment prior to COVID,
  • properly managed the economy through the pandemic,
  • produced the vaccine,
  • restored order on the border,
  • restocked the judicial bench,
the list goes on
 
Sure there is. The Trump administration
  • attained energy independence,
  • was massively successful in foreign policy, MSM reports to the contrary--defeated ISIS, boxed in Iranian and Russian aggression, improved ties with mid-eastern allies, brokered the Abrahamic accords, exposed Chinese aggression, signed dozens of new trade agreements
  • improved trade
  • reformed taxes,
  • lowered unemployment prior to COVID,
  • properly managed the economy through the pandemic,
  • produced the vaccine,
  • restored order on the border,
  • restocked the judicial bench,
the list goes on
Little early to be hitting the bottle, isnt it?

This list is so ludicrous I dont know where to start.
 
The idea of the mandate was the idea of the very conservative Heritage Foundation
Once again spreading propaganda.

The Heritage Foundation proposed that everyone receive high deductible catastrophic insurance. Equating that to full medical coverage, which you just did, is tantamount to lying.

Little early to be hitting the bottle, isnt it? This list is so ludicrous I dont know where to start.
You have always had a problem dealing with facts.

The list is a quick, off the cuff reaction. It would be much longer if you seriously tried to address all the positive things the Trump administration accomplished.

BTW now that you have three goofs against you, aren't you out?
 
Since the thread title is:

Trump did one good thing ...... he killed the mandate that people MUST buy insurance coverage whether they can afford it or not.​

The first item to deal with is that. Trump did not do ANY good things with one exception, firing James Comes. Trump even screwed that up.

The things he took credit for that were good he damn near had nothing to do with and those were few and far between. Once you put 1/6 at the top of his UGLY list he is already trying to climb to get to the bottom and UGLY list is looooooooong and really ugly.

As for the mandate....you folks need to remind yourselves of what the ACA was intended to do before beating on the mandate and you also need to understand how Insurance works. In addition we all have to deal with the fact that most of the broad strokes of the ACA did come from the Heritage Foundation. Obama's go to MO as President given that the GOP had announced it would neither negotiate or compromise with him was to push forward Legislation supported by groups like the Heritage Foundation in an effort to get Republicans to come along and support some of his legislative agenda.
 
Sure there is. The Trump administration
  • attained energy independence,
  • was massively successful in foreign policy, MSM reports to the contrary--defeated ISIS, boxed in Iranian and Russian aggression, improved ties with mid-eastern allies, brokered the Abrahamic accords, exposed Chinese aggression, signed dozens of new trade agreements
  • improved trade
  • reformed taxes,
  • lowered unemployment prior to COVID,
  • properly managed the economy through the pandemic,
  • produced the vaccine,
  • restored order on the border,
  • restocked the judicial bench,
the list goes on

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Once again spreading propaganda.

The Heritage Foundation proposed that everyone receive high deductible catastrophic insurance. Equating that to full medical coverage, which you just did, is tantamount to lying.


You have always had a problem dealing with facts.

The list is a quick, off the cuff reaction. It would be much longer if you seriously tried to address all the positive things the Trump administration accomplished.

BTW now that you have three goofs against you, aren't you out?
I would reply if I thought you were worthy of it.
 
The Individual Mandate might have eventually eliminated itself as there is and would likely have been that last tough nut of younger Americans willing to free bird without Insurance and take their chances no matter what.

Eliminating the Individual Mandate may well have stymied enrollment in the ACA but it has not killed it. It still insures about 23 Million Americans. Should it have been included at the start? Probably. Much about the ACA was intended as a first step and it had been initially built around including a public option which could not pass on The Hill.

It was designed to roll us toward a National Heathcare Plan. It was not designed to be attacked and disassembled from the moment it passed. Yet it has survived attack admirably. Had the GOP managed to kill it without replacement WHICH THEY DID NOT HAVE AND STILL CAN'T CONCOCT TO THIS DAY, they would have paid a high political price for that decision.

As it stands now, the ACA has survived the end of the Individual Mandate and if it dies it dies at the hands of the SC and those State AG's that have continued to attack it, Republican AG's all I believe.

Oh and killing the individual mandate as it was killed WAS NOT A GOOD THING. it opened the door to the current case before the SC which could kill the whole thing and knock those 23 million Americans off an insurance plan that they have grown to appreciate and NOBODY has a replacement that will get anywhere in time to leave 23 million Americans with nothing.

And:
I almost forgot....if the ACA goes down in the SC pre-existing conditions coverage goes down for everybody....not just the 23 Million on ACA plans.
 
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I am sorry you flunked, but that is what happens when you listen to the anti-Trump cult. That is all alt-facts, all the time, with round tables on the weekend.
 
I am sorry you flunked, but that is what happens when you listen to the anti-Trump cult. That is all alt-facts, all the time, with round tables on the weekend.

Says the folks who believe the fantasy that Trump won the 2020 election.
 
Says the folks who believe the fantasy that Trump won the 2020 election.
Says the person who cannot be troubled to check for himself.

Your alt-fact world is clearly visible in your screen name. Any intelligent, informed and fair-minded person would recognize that Trump was a successful President. Also, the -ism was there before Trump and will be there long after. Only the candidates will change.
 
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Says the person who cannot be troubled to check for himself.

Your alt-fact world is clearly visible in your screen name. Any intelligent, informed and fair-minded person would recognize that Trump was a successful President. Also, the -ism was there before Trump and will be there long after. Only the candidates will change.

Don't talk to me about an "alt-fact world" when most of you Trumpsters still believe the fantasy that Trump won the 2020 election. Not to mention Trump is responsible for 400,000 deaths due to his horrible handling of COVID.

As a Trump supporter, you simply have ZERO credibility in a fact-based world. None of you can be taken seriously, except when it comes to your desire to end democracy. Like the attempt on Jan 6.
 
Just Think With Medicare Single Payer

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance everyone will pay less because all in the USA will be paying their fair share.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance everyone in the USA is paying their own way nobody gets off the hook.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every clinic,hospital,doctor and such gets paid thus decreasing the cost of medical care.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance an estimated 2.4 million new jobs are created because the bills for medical care are getting paid..... as they should.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance the USA workforce is evermore productive due to active health and wellness programs.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every child in the USA never has to do without medical and dental care ever.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every senior citizen in the USA never has to be without medical and dental care.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every soldier will never again need to wait for the defense department and capitol hill to declare a condition as service connected BECAUSE they will be covered for whatever. The families will be forever grateful.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every local community will experience a boost in economic growth because all of the new health care jobs will in fact create other jobs in a community.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance everyone will be healthier thus happier.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every household will have more $$$$$ to spend and/or invest in their retirement or buy a home or buy a piano or invest in a college education for themselves or children.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance the entire economy is stronger and far more substantial.

THE medical insurance industry DOES NOT PROVIDE HEALTH CARE which in effect classifies the medical insurance industry a scam that which kicks back zillions to campaign cookie jars.

The gov't shells out $1.5 trillion tax dollar annually to the health care industry... insurers and such. That $1.5 trillion tax dollars could be applied to the cost of Medicare Single Payer Insurance.

Medicare Single Payer eliminates:

=== over 1300 CEO salaries

=== 1300 golden parachutes

=== hundreds of lobbyists

=== 1300 sources of special interest campaign money

=== 1300 different sources of administrative staffing

=== thousands upon thousands of commissions and bonus packages

=== advertising budgets

=== martini lunches


Some gov't programs are great which is why a certain group of ALEC thieves wants to own them no matter that they character assassinate these programs daily. If they are screwed why do the very rich want to own them and all of the tax dollars that come with them? The tax dollar moochers are out and about.

THE medical insurance industry DOES NOT PROVIDE HEALTH CARE which in effect classifies the medical insurance industry a scam that which kicks back zillions to campaign cookie jars.
 
There is no other good thing about Trump as president ..........
That is NOT a good thing. First, the ACA expanded Medicaid, and had big discounts for low-income people when it wasn't free - it made it so everyone COULD afford healthcare. Republicans broke that, refusing expanded Medicaid and taking other measures to increase the prices.
 
Just Think With Medicare Single Payer

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance everyone will pay less because all in the USA will be paying their fair share.
You are already into the land of fantasy by item #2.

Don't talk to me about an "alt-fact world" when most of you Trumpsters still believe the fantasy that Trump won the 2020 election. Not to mention Trump is responsible for 400,000 deaths due to his horrible handling of COVID.
I don't believe he won the election. That was settled when the EC voted.

However, there is more than enough evidence to suggest that the Democrats pulled a fast one in multiple states. The vehemence of the opposition to investigation does nothing to alleviate the concern.

As a Trump supporter, you simply have ZERO credibility in a fact-based world. None of you can be taken seriously, except when it comes to your desire to end democracy. Like the attempt on Jan 6.
This is another example of your alt-reality talking. It is rare for anyone to have zero credibility. Everyone will use the truth when the truth supports their position.

It does not support yours.
 

Trump did one good thing​

what was that?

I know of nothing the bitch did that was not poisonous.

The poison apple, no it was the poison 🍊.
 
Little early to be hitting the bottle, isnt it?

This list is so ludicrous I dont know where to start.

They traffic in quantity, not quality, every time.
 
Says the person who cannot be troubled to check for himself.

Your alt-fact world is clearly visible in your screen name. Any intelligent, informed and fair-minded person would recognize that Trump was a successful President. Also, the -ism was there before Trump and will be there long after. Only the candidates will change.
That is only the opinion of partisan cultists. Historians who actually compare data rate him near the bottom if not at the bottom. You don't get to be a one term loser by doing a good job sorry.

Is Donald Trump the worst US president ever? Historians say so

Scholars say Trump's efforts to overturn his election defeat, as well as his response to COVID-19, have cemented his place as America's worst president.

The most recent Siena College survey, released around the same time, was sightly less damning for Trump. Trump entered that survey at 42nd place out of 44, above only Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.
Buchanan is widely reviled for failing to prevent the outbreak of the Civil War while Johnson was the first president to ever be impeached after proving unable to work with Congress after the war had ended.

The experts consulted by Siena rated Trump last among all presidents when it came to integrity and intelligence. They ranked him highly in only one category – luck – reflecting their view that the strong economy and relatively benign foreign policy landscape was due to good fortune rather than Trump’s leadership.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...t-ever-historians-say-so-20210115-p56u9w.html
 
That is NOT a good thing. First, the ACA expanded Medicaid, and had big discounts for low-income people when it wasn't free - it made it so everyone COULD afford healthcare. Republicans broke that, refusing expanded Medicaid and taking other measures to increase the prices.
People need to start differentiating between insurance and healthcare. Insurance is not healthcare and the ACA did nothing to make healthcare more affordable. It just forced people to buy into plans with massive deductibles they can’t possibly pay.
 
You are already into the land of fantasy by item #2.


I don't believe he won the election. That was settled when the EC voted.

However, there is more than enough evidence to suggest that the Democrats pulled a fast one in multiple states. The vehemence of the opposition to investigation does nothing to alleviate the concern.



This is another example of your alt-reality talking. It is rare for anyone to have zero credibility. Everyone will use the truth when the truth supports their position.

It does not support yours.

Bullshit. Show the evidence or give it up. Talk is cheap.
 
Just Think With Medicare Single Payer

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance everyone will pay less because all in the USA will be paying their fair share.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance everyone in the USA is paying their own way nobody gets off the hook.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every clinic,hospital,doctor and such gets paid thus decreasing the cost of medical care.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance an estimated 2.4 million new jobs are created because the bills for medical care are getting paid..... as they should.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance the USA workforce is evermore productive due to active health and wellness programs.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every child in the USA never has to do without medical and dental care ever.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every senior citizen in the USA never has to be without medical and dental care.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every soldier will never again need to wait for the defense department and capitol hill to declare a condition as service connected BECAUSE they will be covered for whatever. The families will be forever grateful.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every local community will experience a boost in economic growth because all of the new health care jobs will in fact create other jobs in a community.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance everyone will be healthier thus happier.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every household will have more $$$$$ to spend and/or invest in their retirement or buy a home or buy a piano or invest in a college education for themselves or children.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance the entire economy is stronger and far more substantial.

THE medical insurance industry DOES NOT PROVIDE HEALTH CARE which in effect classifies the medical insurance industry a scam that which kicks back zillions to campaign cookie jars.

The gov't shells out $1.5 trillion tax dollar annually to the health care industry... insurers and such. That $1.5 trillion tax dollars could be applied to the cost of Medicare Single Payer Insurance.

Medicare Single Payer eliminates:

=== over 1300 CEO salaries

=== 1300 golden parachutes

=== hundreds of lobbyists

=== 1300 sources of special interest campaign money

=== 1300 different sources of administrative staffing

=== thousands upon thousands of commissions and bonus packages

=== advertising budgets

=== martini lunches


Some gov't programs are great which is why a certain group of ALEC thieves wants to own them no matter that they character assassinate these programs daily. If they are screwed why do the very rich want to own them and all of the tax dollars that come with them? The tax dollar moochers are out and about.

THE medical insurance industry DOES NOT PROVIDE HEALTH CARE which in effect classifies the medical insurance industry a scam that which kicks back zillions to campaign cookie jars.

The only answer is for voters to demand what they want for their tax dollars and let the voters decide. Elected officials let campaign donations be their guide.
 
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