Here come the vaccine passports

[noonereal]

Here come the vaccine passports​

way overdo

Thanks god we will have them.

 

[noonereal]

*In a German accent*: "May we see your papers?"

 

[snakestretcher]

I can catch the flu from my next door neighbor and die. Should he be forced to take the flu vaccine?

Don't be absurd; the chance of you dying or becoming seriously ill and hospitalised from the flu virus is tiny. And there's a vaccine available. If you choose not to take advantage of it and get sick, whose fault is that?

 

[gboisjo]

The tyranny of medical bureaucrats. No it isn't. It's about control. Most survive the virus and the vaccinated are mostly not vulnerable. There is no reason to violently penetrate your neighbors against their will

Total bullshit, 700,000 dead and counting. Yes, it is about control, controlling the dangerous morons who would kill themselves and others, wake up.

 

[gboisjo]

Yup. But this is just a new way for racist liberals to keep blacks out of the places they think they dont belong. Only 32% of blacks in NYC are fully vaccinated so the other 68% wont be able to go, well, anywhere. The idea that the target is republicans is just another liberal lie meant to hide their true racist intentions.

Blacks reasons for not getting vaccinated are totally different than Republicans, For Republicans its a special breed of ignorance that's now crushing red states. I'm embarrassed to say I'm a Floridian and my Governor is DeSantis.

 

[gboisjo]

Nope. But perhaps if you choose not to get vaccinated.. if you get the flu.. you should wait in the ER until the people with all the other emergencies go first since you chose to not be vaccinated. That way your choice doesn;t impact everyone else. IF there a 5 people including you that need a ventilator, but only 4 ventilators.. perhaps you should have to wait until one becomes available.. no matter how sick you are..since you decided to not be vaccinated.
Why should your choices have to affect me?

Perfectly put. these people need to go to the end of the line. Every night on the world news I watch one these unvaccinated morons, in a hospital, on his death bed saying "I shoulda got the shot".
The unnecessary money spent on these fools should be a crime.

 

[gboisjo]

Why are you having trouble accepting the fact that blacks are one of the major demographics of those refusing the vaccine? Last time I checked they are predominantly democrats.

Blacks reasons are totally different than Republicans, but guess what, Republicans are now quietly getting vaccinated ..the kool-aid is finally wearing off for at least some of the lame brains.

 

[Overitall]

Don't be absurd; the chance of you dying or becoming seriously ill and hospitalised from the flu virus is tiny. And there's a vaccine available. If you choose not to take advantage of it and get sick, whose fault is that?

Mine. And I live with my decision.

 

[snakestretcher]

Mine. And I live with my decision.

Fair enough.

 

[Overitall]

Blacks reasons are totally different than Republicans, but guess what, Republicans are now quietly getting vaccinated ..the kool-aid is finally wearing off for at least some of the lame brains.

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Good for them.

 

[COTO]

Exactly.

Even though vaccinated, I may yet chose to spend my money someplace else that doesn't demand to see 'mine paperz'.

Online services experts have been sounding the the alarm bells for months that the technical infrastructure underlying vaccine passports is nigh indistinguishable from the technical infrastructure required for a full-fledged CCP-style social credit system.

Much of the public doesn't realize it, and many people who do are convinced (on what basis, I don't know) that the infrastructure won't be abused in this way. Likely the same people who believed the Patriot Act would simply inconvenience a few Middle-Eastern terrorists, or believed Pres. Nixon taking the US off the gold standard would pave the way to a more equitable, stable financial system.

Even in the hopelessly optimistic case that the infrastructure is used for absolutely nothing but vaccines and other "emergency health measures", the everyman doesn't realize he's screaming, "I consent, O government. Anything from now until the end of the Republic that the ruling administration deems necessary for me to put into my body, as often as is necessary, and with no avenue of appeal or recourse, I shall put into my body--or else forfeit my right to work, travel, associate, and live."

They don't think of it in these terms, because oh, it will never go this far. Or oh, the administration will never make a bad decision in this regard.

Foolishness. Myopia.

 

[Ethel2]

Online services experts have been sounding the the alarm bells for months that the technical infrastructure underlying vaccine passports is nigh indistinguishable from the technical infrastructure required for a full-fledged CCP-style social credit system.

Much of the public doesn't realize it, and many people who do are convinced (on what basis, I don't know) that the infrastructure won't be abused in this way. Likely the same people who believed the Patriot Act would simply inconvenience a few Middle-Eastern terrorists, or believed Pres. Nixon taking the US off the gold standard would pave the way to a more equitable, stable financial system.

Even in the hopelessly optimistic case that the infrastructure is used for absolutely nothing but vaccines and other "emergency health measures", the everyman doesn't realize he's screaming, "I consent, O government. Anything from now until the end of the Republic that the ruling administration deems necessary for me to put into my body, as often as is necessary, and with no avenue of appeal or recourse, I shall put into my body--or else forfeit my right to work, travel, associate, and live."

They don't think of it in these terms, because oh, it will never go this far. Or oh, the administration will never make a bad decision in this regard.

Foolishness. Myopia.

Aren't you in Canada? Your logo says so. Just curious why you are so concerned about OUR political system. You do seem to be quite confused about it.

 

[eohrnberger]

Online services experts have been sounding the the alarm bells for months that the technical infrastructure underlying vaccine passports is nigh indistinguishable from the technical infrastructure required for a full-fledged CCP-style social credit system.

Much of the public doesn't realize it, and many people who do are convinced (on what basis, I don't know) that the infrastructure won't be abused in this way. Likely the same people who believed the Patriot Act would simply inconvenience a few Middle-Eastern terrorists, or believed Pres. Nixon taking the US off the gold standard would pave the way to a more equitable, stable financial system.

Even in the hopelessly optimistic case that the infrastructure is used for absolutely nothing but vaccines and other "emergency health measures", the everyman doesn't realize he's screaming, "I consent, O government. Anything from now until the end of the Republic that the ruling administration deems necessary for me to put into my body, as often as is necessary, and with no avenue of appeal or recourse, I shall put into my body--or else forfeit my right to work, travel, associate, and live."

They don't think of it in these terms, because oh, it will never go this far. Or oh, the administration will never make a bad decision in this regard.

Foolishness. Myopia.

Indeed. Foolish myopia in the extreme.

COVID passports in other countries?

France will require people to use a 'health passport' to enter a restaurant or attraction this fall

French President Emmanuel Macron said the new policy requiring COVID-19 vaccines would start in August.

www.businessinsider.com

And the response?

Thousands protest against Covid passports in France​

Thousands of people marched in Paris and other French cities Saturday during a fourth consecutive week of protests against the Covid-19 health passes that everyone in the country will need shortly to enter cafes, trains and other venues.

MSN

Do you really think the same isn't going to happen here in the US? I mean people are people, after all.

The CRT supporting left has for months now declared that any discrepancy in outcomes is evidence of systemic racism.

Given this as a premise, and add the data that:

Vaccinations by Demographic Group​

This table shows data on the percent of NYC residents vaccinated, by race/ethnicity, sex and age.

COVID-19: Data on Vaccines - NYC Health

Only 32% of New York City's African-Americans having been vaccinated.

Coronavirus Update: NYC to require proof of vaccine for indoor dining, gyms and entertainment

New York City will require proof of vaccination for most indoor events, believed to be the first such mandate by an American city.

abc7ny.com

Dining at restaurants, working out at a gym, and attending a movie or play will all require proof of vaccination starting August 16.
. . .
"A new approach, which we are calling the 'Key to NYC Pass,'" de Blasio said. "The key to NYC, when you hear those words, I want you to imagine the notion that because someone is vaccinated they can do all the amazing things available in New York City. This is a miraculous place literally full of wonders. If you are vaccinated all that is going to open up to you, you have the key, you can open the door. If you are unvaccinated, unfortunately, you will not be able to participate in many things. That's the point we are trying to get across."
​

This disparity of outcomes where only 32% of New York City's African-Americans are permitted to go eating or entertainment venue's simply must mean that NYC's vaccine passports are systemically racist and De Blasio is a racist, right?

 

[jaeger19]

Indeed. Foolish myopia in the extreme.

COVID passports in other countries?

France will require people to use a 'health passport' to enter a restaurant or attraction this fall

French President Emmanuel Macron said the new policy requiring COVID-19 vaccines would start in August.

www.businessinsider.com

And the response?

Thousands protest against Covid passports in France​

Thousands of people marched in Paris and other French cities Saturday during a fourth consecutive week of protests against the Covid-19 health passes that everyone in the country will need shortly to enter cafes, trains and other venues.

MSN

Do you really think the same isn't going to happen here in the US? I mean people are people, after all.

The CRT supporting left has for months now declared that any discrepancy in outcomes is evidence of systemic racism.

Given this as a premise, and add the data that:

Vaccinations by Demographic Group​

This table shows data on the percent of NYC residents vaccinated, by race/ethnicity, sex and age.
View attachment 67346747

COVID-19: Data on Vaccines - NYC Health

Only 32% of New York City's African-Americans having been vaccinated.

Coronavirus Update: NYC to require proof of vaccine for indoor dining, gyms and entertainment

New York City will require proof of vaccination for most indoor events, believed to be the first such mandate by an American city.

abc7ny.com

Dining at restaurants, working out at a gym, and attending a movie or play will all require proof of vaccination starting August 16.
. . .
"A new approach, which we are calling the 'Key to NYC Pass,'" de Blasio said. "The key to NYC, when you hear those words, I want you to imagine the notion that because someone is vaccinated they can do all the amazing things available in New York City. This is a miraculous place literally full of wonders. If you are vaccinated all that is going to open up to you, you have the key, you can open the door. If you are unvaccinated, unfortunately, you will not be able to participate in many things. That's the point we are trying to get across."
​

This disparity of outcomes where only 32% of New York City's African-Americans are permitted to go eating or entertainment venue's simply must mean that NYC's vaccine passports are systemically racist and De Blasio is a racist, right?

It's a free vaccine available to both white and black people.
If people choose not to vaccinate..then that is there choice. Let the consequences follow. If that means they xant go to restaurants...well it's their choice.

 

[eohrnberger]

It's a free vaccine available to both white and black people.
If people choose not to vaccinate..then that is there choice. Let the consequences follow. If that means they xant go to restaurants...well it's their choice.

As I pointed out, since there's a discrepancy of outcomes, it simply must be because of a systemically racist system, at least according to our pro-CRT friends.

 

[Ethel2]

Indeed. Foolish myopia in the extreme.

COVID passports in other countries?

France will require people to use a 'health passport' to enter a restaurant or attraction this fall

French President Emmanuel Macron said the new policy requiring COVID-19 vaccines would start in August.

www.businessinsider.com

And the response?

Thousands protest against Covid passports in France​

Thousands of people marched in Paris and other French cities Saturday during a fourth consecutive week of protests against the Covid-19 health passes that everyone in the country will need shortly to enter cafes, trains and other venues.

MSN

Do you really think the same isn't going to happen here in the US? I mean people are people, after all.

The CRT supporting left has for months now declared that any discrepancy in outcomes is evidence of systemic racism.

Given this as a premise, and add the data that:

Vaccinations by Demographic Group​

This table shows data on the percent of NYC residents vaccinated, by race/ethnicity, sex and age.
View attachment 67346747

COVID-19: Data on Vaccines - NYC Health

Only 32% of New York City's African-Americans having been vaccinated.

Coronavirus Update: NYC to require proof of vaccine for indoor dining, gyms and entertainment

New York City will require proof of vaccination for most indoor events, believed to be the first such mandate by an American city.

abc7ny.com

Dining at restaurants, working out at a gym, and attending a movie or play will all require proof of vaccination starting August 16.
. . .
"A new approach, which we are calling the 'Key to NYC Pass,'" de Blasio said. "The key to NYC, when you hear those words, I want you to imagine the notion that because someone is vaccinated they can do all the amazing things available in New York City. This is a miraculous place literally full of wonders. If you are vaccinated all that is going to open up to you, you have the key, you can open the door. If you are unvaccinated, unfortunately, you will not be able to participate in many things. That's the point we are trying to get across."
​

This disparity of outcomes where only 32% of New York City's African-Americans are permitted to go eating or entertainment venue's simply must mean that NYC's vaccine passports are systemically racist and De Blasio is a racist, right?

The vaccines are available to everyone over age 12 now, all races. If you are over age 12 and aren’t allergic to any of the components of the vaccine and you refuse to get vaccinated then you will have your privileges increasingly restricted. Public health takes priority over perceived “rights”.
You are free to protest of course. And I will be free to laugh at the futility of your selfish protests.

 

[eohrnberger]

The vaccines are available to everyone over age 12 now, all races. If you are over age 12 and aren’t allergic to any of the components of the vaccine and you refuse to get vaccinated then you will have your privileges increasingly restricted. Public health takes priority over perceived “rights”.
You are free to protest of course. And I will be free to laugh at the futility of your selfish protests.

By CRT supporters own measure, anything that has disparity of outcomes is an example of systemic racism.
You support NYC's COVID passport, with it's disparity of outcomes, you are supporting racism, therefore you must be a racist.

I didn't make those rules. I'm only apply them.

 

[jaeger19]

As I pointed out, since there's a discrepancy of outcomes, it simply must be because of a systemically racist system, at least according to our pro-CRT friends.

Actually it's not do to a systematically racist system.
It's do to past misdeeds by the medical community toward minorities.
But not really due to an ongoing systemically racist system.
You might be able to argue that in the early roll out of the vaccine. But availability is not much of issue.
It's vaccine hesitancy due to mistrust of the medical system

 

[jaeger19]

By CRT supporters own measure, anything that has disparity of outcomes is an example of systemic racism.
You support NYC's COVID passport, with it's disparity of outcomes, you are supporting racism, therefore you must be a racist.

I didn't make those rules. I'm only apply them.

That's not true about crt. Under crt..you critically examine to see if there is systemic racism.
In this case it's vaccine hesitancy...not ongoing racism

 

[eohrnberger]

Actually it's not do to a systematically racist system.
It's do to past misdeeds by the medical community toward minorities.
But not really due to an ongoing systemically racist system.
You might be able to argue that in the early roll out of the vaccine. But availability is not much of issue.
It's vaccine hesitancy due to mistrust of the medical system

You are over thinking it, but I also know that you are intelligent enough to have gotten the point that I was making.

 

[eohrnberger]

That's not true about crt. Under crt..you critically examine to see if there is systemic racism.

Not according to the defenders and supporters of CRT.

In this case it's vaccine hesitancy...not ongoing racism

 

[jaeger19]

You are over thinking it, but I also know that you are intelligent enough to have gotten the point that I was making.

Sorry but your point is invalid.
I get that you are desperate for some reason for the US to continue to suffer under this epidemic. But the truth is vaccination and it's clear now..vaccine mandates will be necessary to put an end to it.

 

[jaeger19]

Not according to the defenders and supporters of CRT.

Please quote these defenders and supporters of crt. Saying such.
You people. You gave no idea what crt is do you?
Much like not even knowing what socialism and communism are.
But it doesn't stop the right wing from spouting ignorant stuff.

 

[Allan]

How do you achieve that without trampling on rights?

"Rights" other than the ACA and other applicable legislation does not apply to private businesses.

 

[Overitall]

"Rights" other than the ACA and other applicable legislation does not apply to private businesses.

A business doesn't have the right to make money? Am I misunderstanding your point? The government doesn't give us rights.