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Demon said:
Oh, I'm out right now but I'll have to check it's fluorescence when my next batch gets here. Trazadone also fluoresces. I had shined my uv light on my diamonds and nearby was a trazodone, and it lit up bright blue. I had no idea Berberine was being tested for all those things.
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It’s not being tested for those things, but it is being marketed for those things.
 
Threegoofs said:
It’s not being tested for those things, but it is being marketed for those things.
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Yeah. Hard to see how something that helps with blood sugar also helps with HIV...
 
Demon said:
Oh, I'm out right now but I'll have to check it's fluorescence when my next batch gets here. Trazadone also fluoresces. I had shined my uv light on my diamonds and nearby was a trazodone, and it lit up bright blue. I had no idea Berberine was being tested for all those things.
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A little something for every one.
 
Demon said:
Yeah. Hard to see how something that helps with blood sugar also helps with HIV...
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I don’t see a connection.

Also don’t see a connection between a compound that lowers a surrogate marker without safety data and good health, but that’s just me.
 
Threegoofs said:
I don’t see a connection.

Also don’t see a connection between a compound that lowers a surrogate marker without safety data and good health, but that’s just me.
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I don't take supplements with abandon - I always check on their safety, usually at NIH
 
Demon said:
I may have found the reason Trazadone (and some diamonds) fluoresce - nitrogen?
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Different factors. I'm not up of the chemistry of fluoresence. It still helps me sleep.
 
Demon said:
I don't take supplements with abandon - I always check on their safety, usually at NIH
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NIH won’t know safety if large scale studies haven’t been done.

And most stuff looks great until you study it in larger sample sizes.
 
Threegoofs said:
NIH won’t know safety if large scale studies haven’t been done.

And most stuff looks great until you study it in larger sample sizes.
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I guess I have to be satisfied checking safety as well as I can against something that does work. I try to be careful, but even with exercise and trying to watch carbs, my A1c was always around 6.0/6.1. With the Berberine, it's come down to 5.7/5.8..
 
Demon said:
I guess I have to be satisfied checking safety as well as I can against something that does work. I try to be careful, but even with exercise and trying to watch carbs, my A1c was always around 6.0/6.1. With the Berberine, it's come down to 5.7/5.8..
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I’d argue that you’re taking unproven supplement with unknown risks to marginally affect a surrogate marker which, given the minimal reduction, means you’re taking risk (probably negligible) for a benefit of nicer numbers on paper.

But YMMV.
 
Threegoofs said:
I’d argue that you’re taking unproven supplement with unknown risks to marginally affect a surrogate marker which, given the minimal reduction, means you’re taking risk (probably negligible) for a benefit of nicer numbers on paper.

But YMMV.
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Well, the mild neuropathy in my feet seems to like the marginally lower number, and I don't know if 5.7/5.8 is where it will stop. My Dr. does seem to think the neuropathy is from being pre-diabetc for quite a while. If I was 20, I might be more concerned. At 71, getting close to 72, who knows what my expiration date is/would be anyway?
 
Demon said:
Well, the mild neuropathy in my feet seems to like the marginally lower number, and I don't know if 5.7/5.8 is where it will stop. My Dr. does seem to think the neuropathy is from being pre-diabetc for quite a while. If I was 20, I might be more concerned. At 71, getting close to 72, who knows what my expiration date is/would be anyway?
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Seems like you’d want a drug that’s been extensively studied in T2DM and reducing glucose levels rather than a compound that lots of people say is ‘good’.

But YMMV
 
Threegoofs said:
Seems like you’d want a drug that’s been extensively studied in T2DM and reducing glucose levels rather than a compound that lots of people say is ‘good’.

But YMMV
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I know of metformin, but my doctor doesn't feel the need for it at this point, even though I want to get my levels to at least 5.5.. And, I'm all for natural if I can - if it works.
 
JacksinPA said:
Berberine’s strong yellow color and yellow fluorescence made it a widely used dye in early days of the industry. It is still used in India as a wool dye, and its fluorescence makes it useful as a histology stain.

But berberine’s main use is as an herbal dietary supplement. It has antibiotic, anti-inflammatory, and antineoplastic properties, and it is being investigated as a treatment for diabetes, cancer, hyperlipidemia, congestive heart failure, and HIV. The US Food and Drug Administration has not yet approved berberine for any prescription or over-the-counter drug use, and it has sent notices of violation to companies that have made drug claims on their Web sites. Clinical trials show that berberine is generally safe, but it has shown drug interactions and is contraindicated for pregnant and breast-feeding women.

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Berberine does fluoresce! Bright yellow.
 
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